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a virtual include is a single line of code that calls up a text file. That text file can contain all the html you need for a banner/text ad or a straight text ad.
The text file can be used on one site or across a whole range of sites - it can be one the one domain or across all your domains.
It's really convenient if you want to change the ad because instead of going through every single site to change it over and over all you do is change that one text file.
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a virtual include is a single line of code that calls up a text file. That text file can contain all the html you need for a banner/text ad or a straight text ad.
The text file can be used on one site or across a whole range of sites - it can be one the one domain or across all your domains.
It's really convenient if you want to change the ad because instead of going through every single site to change it over and over all you do is change that one text file.
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Its already been done in this thread but : Yeah what he said 
virtual includes are excellent for other things as well  h34r:
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there are several ways to go here
1. get bitchy and start with a new account (and give sponsor an excuse to really shave you or drop you)
2. just play with your other good performing sponsors untill you start going back to good ratios with offending sponsor (yes they turn of the shave when they don´t see traffic)
3. just say fuck it and send traffic and get paid (not recommended cause traffic is traffic)
but before you do any or all the above make sure it is not you fucking up.
this is like the bible man read it interpret it and if God doesn´t get pissed off keep doing it.
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Finding out about virtual includes and learning how to do it is as simple as typing "virtual includes" - complete with quotation marks into Google. 
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Originally posted by Inabon@Apr 10 2005, 09:33 PM
there are several ways to go here
1. get bitchy and start with a new account (and give sponsor an excuse to really shave you or drop you)
2. just play with your other good performing sponsors untill you start going back to good ratios with offending sponsor (yes they turn of the shave when they don´t see traffic)
3. just say fuck it and send traffic and get paid (not recommended cause traffic is traffic)
but before you do any or all the above make sure it is not you fucking up.
this is like the bible man read it interpret it and if God doesn´t get pissed off keep doing it.
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Excellent 
Always remember that it's your traffic, if you don't like what a sponsor is doing with it, change the sponsor!
If you go the h34r: way sponsors will start with the shave on max like Inabon said then kick you for good...
So fuck theres loads of programs I hear you say... dont get branded as a bad affiliate while your having your ass shaved unless its your kink!
Do the best you can with your traffic, but don't play stupid games with your business!
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Finding out about virtual includes and learning how to do it is as simple as typing "virtual includes" - complete with quotation marks into Google.
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I believe the horse has been brought to the water... now we must wait and see if it needs to be forced to drink 
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Ok guys I get it lol <_<
I feel like a welsh guy right bout now 
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Runner - you're ok - sometimes those of us who have been around for a few years tend to reach the point occasionally where just about any newbie question will set us off and it was just your luck to catch me right at that point.
All of us were and still are newbies - we're all still learning - and some of us never forget the help we got when we first started but it gets very frustrating for us because in the last few years the type of person coming into this industry has changed incredibly.
When Marie and I first arrived on a newbie board we were all there to learn as well as do our own testing and research but these days - and I'm not saying you're one of them - there are too many newbies who really do want the more experienced people to do everything for them.
About 18 months ago Marie and I were helping one guy who couldn't even understand the basics of how to FTP to his space on the host's server. We even phoned him in the US from where we were in Australia and walked him through it step by step. We spent hours on ICQ and the phone and as always asked nothing in return.
(Now sometimes people don't explain things very clearly so you might be forgiven for thinking that we were rather vague in our explanations but let tell you that I have lectured in Instructional Technique - I've worked in several positions were being a Trainer was an important component in that position - so I know how to explain things clearly and logically.)
Anyway, I digress - in the end we just couldn't get the simple message across to him and we finally told him that we just couldn't help him anymore. His response was a blatant attempt at blackmail and he told us that if we didn't go on helping him he would go to the board we were on at the time and tell them that we had tried to rip him off.
In this industry reputation counts for a lot but I won't bend the knee to any lowlife scum like that so we just laughed at him.
So there is one reason why Marie and I are a little jaded these days when it comes to newbies. We will always offer help and advice but God helps those who help themselves and so do we.
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When I signup with a sponser and my ratio is 1/300 - 1/600 for a few days steady then goes to over 1/1000 I know the new treatment is over and they took the guard of the razor.
What I do now is send till my ratio goes fucked up then signup again and send under that new user
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Shaving is much more sophisticated then that....
Big swings in conversions like that are normaly do to with problems with processors.
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Runner - you're ok - sometimes those of us who have been around for a few years tend to reach the point occasionally where just about any newbie question will set us off and it was just your luck to catch me right at that point.
All of us were and still are newbies - we're all still learning - and some of us never forget the help we got when we first started but it gets very frustrating for us because in the last few years the type of person coming into this industry has changed incredibly.
When Marie and I first arrived on a newbie board we were all there to learn as well as do our own testing and research but these days - and I'm not saying you're one of them - there are too many newbies who really do want the more experienced people to do everything for them.
About 18 months ago Marie and I were helping one guy who couldn't even understand the basics of how to FTP to his space on the host's server. We even phoned him in the US from where we were in Australia and walked him through it step by step. We spent hours on ICQ and the phone and as always asked nothing in return.
(Now sometimes people don't explain things very clearly so you might be forgiven for thinking that we were rather vague in our explanations but let tell you that I have lectured in Instructional Technique - I've worked in several positions were being a Trainer was an important component in that position - so I know how to explain things clearly and logically.)
Anyway, I digress - in the end we just couldn't get the simple message across to him and we finally told him that we just couldn't help him anymore. His response was a blatant attempt at blackmail and he told us that if we didn't go on helping him he would go to the board we were on at the time and tell them that we had tried to rip him off.
In this industry reputation counts for a lot but I won't bend the knee to any lowlife scum like that so we just laughed at him.
So there is one reason why Marie and I are a little jaded these days when it comes to newbies. We will always offer help and advice but God helps those who help themselves and so do we.
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Steve thank you for your response
I know this biz is full of give me everything now people and I dont want to come off as one of them, no sir
But I've scratched around just a little thanks to you and Trev and it's really opened a whole world of things in respects to site management h34r:
Thanks again guys, you 
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WOW!!!
I just want to say THANK YOU! to all you guys, because this might look to you as pissant fluff but it's all massive to me
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WOW!!!
I just want to say THANK YOU! to all you guys, because this might look to you as pissant fluff but it's all massive to me
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No problems
But you'll find some give more than others and some as with Pro will just drop something and move on.
But anything from MikeAI is good
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I could not agree more. Yes we are glad to help but you have to do your part too. I think everyone will agree that being able to get a $50.00 from a sponsor takes a lot of reading and learning. Internet is the best thing invented you can find anything you want on it. You only have to try and try again.
hell if you get good looking for shit you will be good getting people to find your shit.
newbies are good we all need newbies we were and are newbies all of our life.
what we don´t need or agree to are fucking lazy asses that only get in your way.
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Just imho....
as has been said before. They all shave.
What matters is where you are making your money.
Sponsor a is honest john and you send him 100 joins a month at $15.00 per for $1500.00
Sponsor b is shavemaster and you send him what should be 100 joins but ends up at 50 joins per month at $50.00 per or $2500.00
Where you gonna send your traffic ?
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Hirsute, set the shave at 0%
Average girl next door amateur set the shave at say 50%
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Just imho....
as has been said before. They all shave.
What matters is where you are making your money.
Sponsor a is honest john and you send him 100 joins a month at $15.00 per for $1500.00
Sponsor b is shavemaster and you send him what should be 100 joins but ends up at 50 joins per month at $50.00 per or $2500.00
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send 200 to honest sponsor you make more money.
send 200 to b sponsor and you will still make 2500 cause he will shave your ass.
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Not sure how many times I've said this, but here we go one more time....
Ratios, shave, payout schemes, etc should be irrelevent to your decision of whether to send traffic. Know your own traffic, how much of it you're sending and what it SHOULD do based on historical performance with sponsors of any given genre.
With that knowledge in hand, count the checks, not the clicks or the shave.
If I send 100,000 clicks and 200 signups, but you only credit me for 50,000 and 100 signups and pay me $3500, you'll get more traffic from me *if* that $3500 is more than what other sponsors have paid me for that same traffic regardless of how either was calculated.
Pay me by click, signup, revshare, I dont care. I only count the number in the "amount" field on the check.
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Not sure how many times I've said this, but here we go one more time....
Ratios, shave, payout schemes, etc should be irrelevent to your decision of whether to send traffic. Know your own traffic, how much of it you're sending and what it SHOULD do based on historical performance with sponsors of any given genre.
With that knowledge in hand, count the checks, not the clicks or the shave.
If I send 100,000 clicks and 200 signups, but you only credit me for 50,000 and 100 signups and pay me $3500, you'll get more traffic from me *if* that $3500 is more than what other sponsors have paid me for that same traffic regardless of how either was calculated.
Pay me by click, signup, revshare, I dont care. I only count the number in the "amount" field on the check.
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I was saying all this in 97 on Condom.
I remember talking with KK in 97/98 explaining to her everyone shaved.She didn't need it explained twice.
Nothing changes.
they just hide better now LOL
The only stat that matters is the $$$$.
I sent traffic to Serge ,who the first day sent me a CC of a message he sent to John Cotac saying "John turn up the shave , Nick is making too much money"
I stayed with him for years because the shave , and the taunting may have been the biggest in the business but then so were the checks.
I also got the best education in this business money could buy.
How can I shave you?
Let me count the ways........
If you think you aren't being shaved .......... then they should turn it up
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I was looking through my dilbert calendar (yes, I have a fucking dilbert calender...Make fun of it and I'll slap you with my sliderule dammit) and there was one in there where dogbert is outlining his business plan and Ratbert starts gagging.
Dogbert says "When my marketing practices make a rat gag, I know I'm on the right track"
Made me think of you Nick  (in a totally loving yet surprisingly Non gay way of course)
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I was looking through my dilbert calendar (yes, I have a fucking dilbert calender...Make fun of it and I'll slap you with my sliderule dammit) and there was one in there where dogbert is outlining his business plan and Ratbert starts gagging.
Dogbert says "When my marketing practices make a rat gag, I know I'm on the right track"
Made me think of you Nick (in a totally loving yet surprisingly Non gay way of course)
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