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Old 07-01-2004   #1
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In other words, it's very little different than a speech by Bush, right?
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In other words, it's very little different than a speech by Bush, right?
It's probably more articulate.
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Moore creates the impression that Gore was celebrating his victory in Florida.



Actually, the rally took place in the early hours of election day, before polls had even opened
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This is the kind of thing the right is latching onto as 'lies'. They really hate and fear this film. I love it.

All this criticism coming from the party that impeached a successful President for lying about a blow job The more dems we can find willing to use the right's own weapons against them the better.
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Moore creates the impression that Gore was celebrating his victory in Florida.



Actually, the rally took place in the early hours of election day, before polls had even opened
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This is the kind of thing the right is latching onto as 'lies'. They really hate and fear this film. I love it.

All this criticism coming from the party that impeached a successful President for lying about a blow job The more dems we can find willing to use the right's own weapons against them the better.
doc·u·men·ta·ry ( P ) Pronunciation Key (dky-mnt-r)
adj.
Consisting of, concerning, or based on documents.
Presenting facts objectively without editorializing or inserting fictional matter, as in a book or film.

n. pl. doc·u·men·ta·ries
A work, such as a film or television program, presenting political, social, or historical subject matter in a factual and informative manner and often consisting of actual news films or interviews accompanied by narration.

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prop·a·gan·da ( P ) Pronunciation Key (prp-gnd)
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The systematic propagation of a doctrine or cause or of information reflecting the views and interests of those advocating such a doctrine or cause.
Material disseminated by the advocates or opponents of a doctrine or cause: wartime propaganda.
Propaganda Roman Catholic Church. A division of the Roman Curia that has authority in the matter of preaching the gospel, of establishing the Church in non-Christian countries, and of administering Church missions in territories where there is no properly organized hierarchy.

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Fuck that. I loved it when Larry Flynt started exposing the hypocrisy of the impeachment managers, I love Michael Moore going after the right with inferences and innuendo. We still don't have anyone as willing to lie as directly as Limbaugh or Hannity, but we're getting there.
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A little poll here:

How many people who replied to this thread read the Kopel article in it's entirety ?

I, for one, did.

Now, you'll also notice that I haven't voiced any opinion about it.

And of course, I shan't...
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Leftist hero worship is pathetic.
But rightist hero worship is macho eh ?

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Sheep are sheep, regardless of their political affiliation.
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Originally posted by Feynman@Jul 2 2004, 03:56 PM
A little poll here:

How many people who replied to this thread read the Kopel article in it's entirety ?

I, for one, did.

Now, you'll also notice that I haven't voiced any opinion about it.

And of course, I shan't...
I'd opine the guy who wrote it is likely just as looney as he probably thinks Moore is.. and I didnt need to read his 5000 word manifesto to decide that :P

Wonder if history will show Moore will have influenced this election.. he has said often over the last 3 years in his email newsletters that his ambition was to make a difference in removing Bush in 2004.. so far he apears to be some chance of suceeding.




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Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Jul 1 2004, 10:15 PM
In other words, it's very little different than a speech by Bush, right?
PD, where ya been man? I have missed your wit.
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Originally posted by Opti+Jul 2 2004, 08:50 AM-->
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Havent decided if I think Moore will make a difference yet Wig... (about the looney writer.. yes I beleive that :P )

I initially liked Moore and simply found him witty and entertaining when I first saw his stuff on the Naked Truth.. Now I think he is a political animal... and not so like-able.. but he has been saying this is what he wanted for years... and I bet right now he feels sucessful... I still have no idea how history might see it... but I am interested to see how it plays out!

Moore is on a big high right now.. a great height to set himself at to fall from if the tide changes... if he is sucessful, he could be remembered by our children in history books too though.

I think Moore is 100% right to have done what he has done, is my only real solid opinion I have on Moore right now. Im not sure if I really like the way he has gone about it I do admit though.
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Thank you, Aeon.... I'm glad someone defined the difference between documentary and propaganda.

Michael Moore is NOT a documentary filmmaker. He is a Propagandist. And a .



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Havent decided if I think Moore will make a difference yet Wig... (about the looney writer.. yes I beleive that :P )

I initially liked Moore and simply found him witty and entertaining when I first saw his stuff on the Naked Truth.. Now I think he is a political animal... and not so like-able.. but he has been saying this is what he wanted for years... and I bet right now he feels sucessful... I still have no idea how history might see it... but I am interested to see how it plays out!

Moore is on a big high right now.. a great height to set himself at to fall from if the tide changes... if he is sucessful, he could be remembered by our children in history books too though.

I think Moore is 100% right to have done what he has done, is my only real solid opinion I have on Moore right now. Im not sure if I really like the way he has gone about it I do admit though.
I agree completely.

He is a witty and entertaining propagandist. I like him for that.

I just do not think he will play well to anyone who already is not anti-bush when it comes to votes.

The election is going to be very interesting. I think Bush will win, but it will be close.
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