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some Seattle talk show guy was trying to argue that it is the parents right to do this... to parent the child in any manner he see's fit and he was serious about it.
I could not believe what i was hearing.
"The 6-foot-2, 200-pound Lloyd is accused of sticking a Glock semiautomatic pistol in his then-12-year-old son's mouth in 2001. Lloyd, upset over his son's poor grades in school, allegedly told the boy, "If you want to waste your life, I can end it now," prosecutor Dan Hiatt said."
Glad it happened in Seattle and not in the South.....
Freaking idiot!
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Originally posted by JR@Mar 22 2004, 03:28 PM some Seattle talk show guy was trying to argue that it is the parents right to do this... to parent the child in any manner he see's fit and he was serious about it.
I could not believe what i was hearing.
"The 6-foot-2, 200-pound Lloyd is accused of sticking a Glock semiautomatic pistol in his then-12-year-old son's mouth in 2001. Lloyd, upset over his son's poor grades in school, allegedly told the boy, "If you want to waste your life, I can end it now," prosecutor Dan Hiatt said."
(+-)i bet the kid got straight A's the next semester but if a guy has to to stoop to bullying his kid with a gun, bad grades are probably the least of either of their issues.
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Originally posted by JR@Mar 22 2004, 06:28 PM some Seattle talk show guy was trying to argue that it is the parents right to do this... to parent the child in any manner he see's fit and he was serious about it.
That's a weak argument...
What about people that beat the shit out of their kids? Can they defend their actions by saying "I was raising him how I saw fit"
What about parents that sexually abuse their own kids? Can they defend their actions by saying "I was raising him how I saw fit"
Clearly the law doesn't agree with this guy that parents can "parent the child in any manner he see's fit".
Should you be allowed to stick a gun in your child's face? Probably not. Although it's probably an effective deterrant! Unfortunately, the kid is going to be a terrible father too someday.
Originally posted by pushpills@Mar 22 2004, 07:05 PM yikes!
bet he gets straight A's from now on though
Is this what motivated you??
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What do you expect when you can almost buy guns from 7-11 ...
put a gun in a morons hand and he'll probably do something moronic with it!
here's a novel concept, why wasn't the gun taken off him when he threatened his wife with it the first time?!?! Nothing else this dude needs his gun for is worthy if he uses it to intimidate human beings.
Originally posted by pushpills@Mar 22 2004, 07:23 PM Nah, my parents were never too hard on me.
I pay for my own schooling so if I don't get good grades, just a waste of my own 18k a year (going up next year I'm sure). Plus I enjoy learning, I'm not going to school to get a job working for someone else.
I think it's ok to push your kids hard though, certainly not with firearms, but some extreme measures are ok if it makes your kid do good. My kids fuck up in school, they're room gets turned in to a matress on the floor and a closet full of clothes from k-mart.
Just out of idle curiousity ... are you capable of making a post without mentioning how much money you are paying for something?
"I took a good healthy shit today, and I used 12 sheets from a roll of toilet paper that I paid $1.98 for. I brought it home from the store in my Camaro ... "
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The kid in question wasn't in college - he was 12 at the time of the incident.
A therapist could help you with the feelings of inadequacy that causes the frequent mention of the money in your posts ... perhaps J'sdude could give you a recommendation.
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Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Mar 22 2004, 09:37 PM "I took a good healthy shit today, and I used 12 sheets from a roll of toilet paper that I paid $1.98 for. I brought it home from the store in my Camaro ... "
ah ha ha ha
I'm a little slow could someone break down the overall cost of that defecation, water included
I want to know if I have enough change for ... well you know :angry:
Nice Avatar CJ
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Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Mar 22 2004, 06:57 PM The kid in question wasn't in college - he was 12 at the time of the incident.
A therapist could help you with the feelings of inadequacy that causes the frequent mention of the money in your posts ... perhaps J'sdude could give you a recommendation.
so? he asked about my motivation and I AM in college
I'm not writing a scientific hypothesis, it's a message board post. Dissect em all you want.
[quote]Originally posted by KC@Mar 22 2004, 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by JR,Mar 22 2004, 06:28 PM
Unfortunately, the kid is going to be a terrible father too someday.
One of the saddest things about abuse is the cycle. We can only hope that he is the kind of person that grows up and uses his experience as a child to become a better father to his children. Break the cycle!
Originally posted by Peaches@Mar 22 2004, 08:06 PM No one has even brought up that this guy was a professional football player....am I the only one who sees that as part of the problem?
Originally posted by Peaches@Mar 22 2004, 11:06 PM No one has even brought up that this guy was a professional football player....am I the only one who sees that as part of the problem?
Peaches, I think its a problem the world over with football players ... not just professional ones, most of the football players in school are assholes too! Generally men in groups are assholes, but give them a football and a pat on the back about how good they are and watch them go!
Read Tim Green's (8 years in the NFL and now a Fox sports broadcaster) book "Dark Side of the Game" for more insight into the "football player mentality"
All their lives they are treated "special" for their ability
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Originally posted by Vick@Mar 23 2004, 12:30 AM Read Tim Green's (8 years in the NFL and now a Fox sports broadcaster) book "Dark Side of the Game" for more insight into the "football player mentality"
All their lives they are treated "special" for their ability
I don't want to ruin his reputation, but he also used to do sports commentary on NPR.
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I'm with CJ on this one - the instant the charge was made that he held that gun to his wife's head, it should've been taken out of his possession until the proceedings were over and the charges had been dropped or he'd been declared not guilty.
That poor kid.
Why was the jury deadlocked at 11-1? For some reason I thought you just had to have an overwhelming majority of the vote for a jury, not a completely unanimous one?
Gotta say it again... that poor kid. You're probably right PD - a literal case of "Jeremy spoke in class today".
And that broadcaster needs to have a gun stuck in HIS mouth, perhaps it'll change his tune a bit.
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Originally posted by Carrie@Mar 23 2004, 03:16 AM I'm with CJ on this one - the instant the charge was made that he held that gun to his wife's head, it should've been taken out of his possession until the proceedings were over and the charges had been dropped or he'd been declared not guilty.
That poor kid.
Why was the jury deadlocked at 11-1? For some reason I thought you just had to have an overwhelming majority of the vote for a jury, not a completely unanimous one?
Gotta say it again... that poor kid. You're probably right PD - a literal case of "Jeremy spoke in class today".
And that broadcaster needs to have a gun stuck in HIS mouth, perhaps it'll change his tune a bit.
I do believe CJ is flipping you off!
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Originally posted by cj@Mar 22 2004, 07:20 PM What do you expect when you can almost buy guns from 7-11 ...
put a gun in a morons hand and he'll probably do something moronic with it!
here's a novel concept, why wasn't the gun taken off him when he threatened his wife with it the first time?!?! Nothing else this dude needs his gun for is worthy if he uses it to intimidate human beings.
You can't seperate an American from his gun,
you'd have Charlton Heston after you in a flash.
Originally posted by chodadog@Mar 23 2004, 10:01 AM but i think even suggesting that they're more likely to be is a little silly.
Yet at least 3 other posters have agreed with me and one even posted a book to read which examines the situation. Seems my comments weren't too far of a stretch.
Are all professional athletes violent? No. Do all professional athletes take advantage of their "fame"? Of course not, but there are many that do feel they are above the law.
BTW, the pedestal that American pro athletes have been placed upon, especially recently, is probably hard to understand if you're not in America seeing it on a day to day basis.
And a quick glance through the contents pages of the book.. nothing to do with this kind of thing pops up. He has an essay about groupies, but the impression i got from the editorial reviews was that he writes about how they're not as common as people might think, and who would want to sleep with a groupie anyways?
And yeah, Peaches - I'll agree with you too. The things these professional athletes are getting away with and expect to get away with are ridiculous. We're creating these monsters - it's a shame, kids can't even have heroes to look up to anymore... not Joe Athlete - and sometimes not even Dad.
Originally posted by Vick@Mar 23 2004, 08:31 AM The book "Dark Side of the Game" also explains about the preferred treatment athletes (in particular Football players) receive
And so do the extremely wealthy, or famous actors. Does this mean that they beat their wives more or go around pointing guns at people? No. The fact is, there are all kinds of fucked up people and you won't find a single group that doesn't have it's fair share of wife beatin' gun totin' assholes.
I see what you're saying, and i see how it could make sense. But that's all i ever see. A bunch of people.. saying stuff. Unless you have facts and figures to back up what you're saying, then i can only assume that you think what you think because of what you see in the news, which is obviously quite slanted. Hell, Kobe got more time on the news than most terrorist attacks around the world get.
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