some Seattle talk show guy was trying to argue that it is the parents right to do this... to parent the child in any manner he see's fit and he was serious about it.

I could not believe what i was hearing.


"The 6-foot-2, 200-pound Lloyd is accused of sticking a Glock semiautomatic pistol in his then-12-year-old son's mouth in 2001. Lloyd, upset over his son's poor grades in school, allegedly told the boy, "If you want to waste your life, I can end it now," prosecutor Dan Hiatt said."

http://www.post-gazette.com/breaking/20040...18aplloydp7.asp

Glad it happened in Seattle and not in the South.....


Freaking idiot!

(+-)i bet the kid got straight A's the next semester but if a guy has to to stoop to bullying his kid with a gun, bad grades are probably the least of either of their issues.



Last edited by PeerPatrick at Mar 22 2004, 03:39 PM

That's a weak argument...

What about people that beat the shit out of their kids? Can they defend their actions by saying "I was raising him how I saw fit"

What about parents that sexually abuse their own kids? Can they defend their actions by saying "I was raising him how I saw fit"

Clearly the law doesn't agree with this guy that parents can "parent the child in any manner he see's fit".

Should you be allowed to stick a gun in your child's face? Probably not. Although it's probably an effective deterrant! Unfortunately, the kid is going to be a terrible father too someday.

it happened in Georgia

:o

That's a weak argument...

What about people that beat the shit out of their kids? Can they defend their actions by saying "I was raising him how I saw fit"

What about parents that sexually abuse their own kids? Can they defend their actions by saying "I was raising him how I saw fit"

Clearly the law doesn't agree with this guy that parents can "parent the child in any manner he see's fit".

Should you be allowed to stick a gun in your child's face? Probably not. Although it's probably an effective deterrant! Unfortunately, the kid is going to be a terrible father too someday.[/b][/quote]
i tried to call that idiot for a while. it was the only time i ever felt compelled to call a radio show. he was so stupid he did not even realize that its assualt and illegal.

his arguments were that it was no more traumatic than hitting a child which is more acceptable and that scaring the shit out of a young boy is ok if it gets the point accross.

I think that violating the trust of a child by a parent whos primary purpose in his life to provide, nurture and protect that child by threatening him with death could not possibly compare to disciplining a child with a few swats on the ass.

yikes!



bet he gets straight A's from now on though

Is this what motivated you??

Don't know about putting a gun in your own children's mouth but ....
obviously if you have to something is missing in your parenting skills

.... perhaps in other people children's mouth


or at least turn a stun gun on them

What do you expect when you can almost buy guns from 7-11 ... :rolleyes:

put a gun in a morons hand and he'll probably do something moronic with it!

here's a novel concept, why wasn't the gun taken off him when he threatened his wife with it the first time?!?! Nothing else this dude needs his gun for is worthy if he uses it to intimidate human beings.

Is this what motivated you??[/b][/quote]
Nah, my parents were never too hard on me.


I pay for my own schooling so if I don't get good grades, just a waste of my own 18k a year (going up next year I'm sure). Plus I enjoy learning, I'm not going to school to get a job working for someone else.



I think it's ok to push your kids hard though, certainly not with firearms, but some extreme measures are ok if it makes your kid do good. My kids fuck up in school, they're room gets turned in to a matress on the floor and a closet full of clothes from k-mart.

(+-)i bet the kid got straight A's the next semester but if a guy has to to stoop to bullying his kid with a gun, bad grades are probably the least of either of their issues.[/b][/quote]
You may be right. The kid may even get straight A's right up until he gets a B-, at which point he'll borrow Daddy's Glock semiautomatic pistol and register his displeasure with his teacher, counselor, principal, Algebra class, and 8 sophmores in Study Hall.

Just out of idle curiousity ... are you capable of making a post without mentioning how much money you are paying for something?

"I took a good healthy shit today, and I used 12 sheets from a roll of toilet paper that I paid $1.98 for. I brought it home from the store in my Camaro ... " :blink:

Just out of idle curiousity ... are you capable of making a post without mentioning how much money you are paying for something?

"I took a good healthy shit today, and I used 12 sheets from a roll of toilet paper that I paid $1.98 for. I brought it home from the store in my Camaro ... " :blink:[/b][/quote]
I spray air-cleaned my keyboard before posting this response. Cost: 75 cents.

I was just stating that MY parents don't have to push me to get good grades because they are not footing the hefty college bill.

And just fyi, I'll be waxing my camaro this week at the cost of 30 or so worth of cleansers and synthetic wax. :awinky:

The kid in question wasn't in college - he was 12 at the time of the incident.

A therapist could help you with the feelings of inadequacy that causes the frequent mention of the money in your posts ... perhaps J'sdude could give you a recommendation.

bit of a contradiction don't ya think?!

do you honestly think school is going to teach you everything!?

bit of a contradiction don't ya think?!

do you honestly think school is going to teach you everything!?[/b][/quote]
Yea kinda, but I've learned some worthwhile stuff (especially law). It's a good experience.

ah ha ha ha

I'm a little slow could someone break down the overall cost of that defecation, water included

I want to know if I have enough change for ... well you know :angry:


Nice Avatar CJ :yowsa:

so? he asked about my motivation and I AM in college

I'm not writing a scientific hypothesis, it's a message board post. Dissect em all you want. :zzz:

[quote]Originally posted by KC@Mar 22 2004, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JR,Mar 22 2004, 06:28 PM Unfortunately, the kid is going to be a terrible father too someday.

One of the saddest things about abuse is the cycle. We can only hope that he is the kind of person that grows up and uses his experience as a child to become a better father to his children. Break the cycle!

so? he asked about my motivation and I AM in college

I'm not writing a scientific hypothesis, it's a message board post. Dissect em all you want. :zzz:[/b][/quote]
Dude, no disection is necessary in your case - you are as subtle as a beer and eggs fart in a stuck elevator.

Yea kinda, but I've learned some worthwhile stuff (especially law). It's a good experience.[/b][/quote]
'yea kinda' - wrong answer ;-)

you will get your wish though - you'll LEARN a lot when you try!


thanks vick ;-)
Gonzo & I are working on lots of surprises!

so? he asked about my motivation and I AM in college

I'm not writing a scientific hypothesis, it's a message board post. Dissect em all you want. :zzz:[/b][/quote]
i relized i had to dropped out of college to make money... not graduate.

No one has even brought up that this guy was a professional football player....am I the only one who sees that as part of the problem? :unsure:

What's that got to do with anything?

What's that got to do with anything?[/b][/quote]
Let's see - he played what is surely considered a violent game for many years and he was a professional athlete who usually tend to think they are above the law. :unsure: In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if his history had bearing on the jury.

Peaches, I think its a problem the world over with football players ... not just professional ones, most of the football players in school are assholes too! Generally men in groups are assholes, but give them a football and a pat on the back about how good they are and watch them go!

http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0...5E28097,00.html

its the topic of the month here in oz with 2 separate codes of football having major rape allegations made against players.

What's that got to do with anything?[/b][/quote]
Domestic violence by professional athletes in general, and NFL players in particular, has been in the press, including Sports Illustrated, since the mid 70s.

Maybe it’s getting too many concussions; maybe it’s steroids; maybe it’s that since high school these folks have been told that their shit don’t stink so much that they begin to believe it – but there seems to be a relationship between the jock mentality and abusive behavior.

Read Tim Green's (8 years in the NFL and now a Fox sports broadcaster) book "Dark Side of the Game" for more insight into the "football player mentality"

All their lives they are treated "special" for their ability

I don't want to ruin his reputation, but he also used to do sports commentary on NPR.

I don't want to ruin his reputation, but he also used to do sports commentary on NPR.[/b][/quote]
:okthumb: I had forgotten that

Never really knew of him as a player but I enjoy his work as an author

as a sportcaster .... ennn he's ok

I'm with CJ on this one - the instant the charge was made that he held that gun to his wife's head, it should've been taken out of his possession until the proceedings were over and the charges had been dropped or he'd been declared not guilty.

That poor kid.

Why was the jury deadlocked at 11-1? For some reason I thought you just had to have an overwhelming majority of the vote for a jury, not a completely unanimous one?

Gotta say it again... that poor kid. You're probably right PD - a literal case of "Jeremy spoke in class today".

And that broadcaster needs to have a gun stuck in HIS mouth, perhaps it'll change his tune a bit.

I do believe CJ is flipping you off!

What's the world coming to when you can't stick a gun in a kids mouth?

I thought it was the American way.

You can't seperate an American from his gun,
you'd have Charlton Heston after you in a flash. :D

Let's see - he played what is surely considered a violent game for many years and he was a professional athlete who usually tend to think they are above the law. :unsure: In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if his history had bearing on the jury.[/b][/quote]
Just because there is a lot more fanfare every time a sports star commits a serious crime, doesn't mean that professional athletes are any more likely to be criminals than the rest of the population. Nobody is going to give months and months of coverage when Joe Blow rapes some girl, but if Kobe is accused, the media will milk it.

I don't think the sports that people play have anything to do with their temperment. A friend of our family, when we were still living in South Africa was the national kick boxing champ for his weight division. Guy was as placid and calm as anyone could be. I know you're not saying that all people involved in aggressive sports are violent outside of the game, but i think even suggesting that they're more likely to be is a little silly.

Peaches, I think its a problem the world over with football players ... not just professional ones, most of the football players in school are assholes too! Generally men in groups are assholes, but give them a football and a pat on the back about how good they are and watch them go!

http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0...5E28097,00.html

its the topic of the month here in oz with 2 separate codes of football having major rape allegations made against players.[/b][/quote]
CJ,

Looking good in your avatar, baby!

Glad to see that the blame is being placed on the individual.

I know where you stand on the gun issue, but the gun did not do it on its own. :D

Yet at least 3 other posters have agreed with me and one even posted a book to read which examines the situation. Seems my comments weren't too far of a stretch. :awinky:

Are all professional athletes violent? No. Do all professional athletes take advantage of their "fame"? Of course not, but there are many that do feel they are above the law.

BTW, the pedestal that American pro athletes have been placed upon, especially recently, is probably hard to understand if you're not in America seeing it on a day to day basis.

Thats what I believe


spaz

What a fucking moron. Guy deserves to rot in jail.

Jeese... It's not like he pulled the trigger or anything like that :yowsa:

Domestic violence by professional athletes in general, and NFL players in particular, has been in the press, including Sports Illustrated, since the mid 70s.

Maybe it’s getting too many concussions; maybe it’s steroids; maybe it’s that since high school these folks have been told that their shit don’t stink so much that they begin to believe it – but there seems to be a relationship between the jock mentality and abusive behavior.[/b][/quote]
That's because when a famous person beats his wife, it's newsworthy. When someone else does it, nobody gives a shit. The statistics for things like spousal abuse are frightening. It doesn't surprise me at all that there are football players that are violent outside of the game. I'd be interested in seeing some statistics comparing their violence off the field to that of the general population. How m any of them have had the police respond to domestic abuse calls, or how many have been charged and convicted for such acts. I would be very surprised if the numbers differed by any significant amount.

There's just more noise surrounding famous people.

Yet at least 3 other posters have agreed with me and one even posted a book to read which examines the situation. Seems my comments weren't too far of a stretch. :awinky:

Are all professional athletes violent? No. Do all professional athletes take advantage of their "fame"? Of course not, but there are many that do feel they are above the law.

BTW, the pedestal that American pro athletes have been placed upon, especially recently, is probably hard to understand if you're not in America seeing it on a day to day basis.[/b][/quote]
I'll admit, i haven't read that book, or am even interested in reading it, but i just glanced at the editorial reviews on amazon.com and it seems to me that the book is largely about the behind the scenes shit of the game, and has very little, if anything, to do with issues unrelated to the game.

It seems to be about shady practices in the game, Injuries, drugs, racism, etc.



Last edited by chodadog at Mar 23 2004, 08:03 AM

And a quick glance through the contents pages of the book.. nothing to do with this kind of thing pops up. He has an essay about groupies, but the impression i got from the editorial reviews was that he writes about how they're not as common as people might think, and who would want to sleep with a groupie anyways?

The book "Dark Side of the Game" also explains about the preferred treatment athletes (in particular Football players) receive

It's a sick, sick, sick, sick world.....

:unsure:

And yeah, Peaches - I'll agree with you too. The things these professional athletes are getting away with and expect to get away with are ridiculous. We're creating these monsters - it's a shame, kids can't even have heroes to look up to anymore... not Joe Athlete - and sometimes not even Dad.

:huh:

And so do the extremely wealthy, or famous actors. Does this mean that they beat their wives more or go around pointing guns at people? No. The fact is, there are all kinds of fucked up people and you won't find a single group that doesn't have it's fair share of wife beatin' gun totin' assholes.

And so do the extremely wealthy, or famous actors. Does this mean that they beat their wives more or go around pointing guns at people? No. The fact is, there are all kinds of fucked up people and you won't find a single group that doesn't have it's fair share of wife beatin' gun totin' assholes.[/b][/quote]
Does that include chodadog's too? :P (BTW - what is a chodadog?)

Maybe you're not getting the point trying be made here, Football players receive "special" treatment all their lives and may not think they are accountable to the same set of laws as the rest of the general population

chodadog is chodaboy's dog in the movie Orgazmo.

I see what you're saying, and i see how it could make sense. But that's all i ever see. A bunch of people.. saying stuff. Unless you have facts and figures to back up what you're saying, then i can only assume that you think what you think because of what you see in the news, which is obviously quite slanted. Hell, Kobe got more time on the news than most terrorist attacks around the world get.

And so do the extremely wealthy, or famous actors. Does this mean that they beat their wives more or go around pointing guns at people? No. The fact is, there are all kinds of fucked up people and you won't find a single group that doesn't have it's fair share of wife beatin' gun totin' assholes.[/b][/quote]
It's true that every group has, "it's fair share of wife beatin' gun totin' assholes."

But I am with Peaches on this one. Professional athletes definitely get special treatment here in the US. Here's a two letter reminder of a wife beatin', even murdering, pro-athlete that walked away free - O J.

And regarding the punk father that put a gun in his son's mouth - WTF?!! People should have to pass an IQ test, and parenting test, before they're allowed to have children.