Old timers, since you are gone now , why do you keep coming back to ...

[JoesHO]

damn man you are really clueless, and just grasping at straws huh.

No puppetmaster, no hidden agendas, only business people that want to encourage other business people to do adult business.

no elitist that think they are better than anyone, no misinformation to manipulate newbies.

just plain and simple good conversation is all that is sought here .

but yet you keep coming back with venom, and saying you are the one trying to raise the Oprano IQ??????

[Trev]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

You should ask trev, nick and serge....all who banned, censored and generally fucked with people's postings effectively trashing the board. Now look before you leap.

The really cool thing is that I got paid to do it as well. I can't grumble about that...

[Rolo]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

Its a bitch sitting in a corner all alone.

You speak of experience?

[softball]

Originally Posted by Trev

The really cool thing is that I got paid to do it as well. I can't grumble about that...

Just not very much....lmfao....duh

[softball]

Originally Posted by Rolo

You speak of experience?

I do. Damn you are too easy rolo. There you go lowering the IQ again. You make my point with every post you make. Keep em coming, kid.

[Rolo]

Originally Posted by JoesHO

just plain and simple good conversation is all that is sought here .

Lets be honest here. You want a board, so you can spam whatever XYZ flavor you try to push. You will not be at the boards, if there were no possibilty to do just that. Now that doesn´t make you wrong - its just takes away from you argument that you are here for the "simple good conversation". You are here to spam - thats it, don´t be affraid to call yourself what you do

Why have you been advocating for months (years?) that the old guard need to leave? My guess is that you think you can push your product to those that are left, without being called a newbie

[softball]

Originally Posted by Rolo

Lets be honest here. You want a board, so you can spam whatever XYZ flavor you try to push. You will not be at the boards, if there were no possibilty to do just that. Now that doesn´t make you wrong - its just takes away from you argument that you are here for the "simple good conversation". You are here to spam - thats it, don´t be affraid to call yourself what you do

Why have you been advocating for months (years?) that the old guard need to leave? My guess is that you think you can push your product to those that are left, without being called a newbie

There is no old guard. Never was. It was a spin machine that spun south.
......just admit that the waters around you have grown.....

[Trev]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

Just not very much....lmfao....duh

It was about as much as your wife earns you... if not a little bit more...

[softball]

Originally Posted by Trev

It was about as much as your wife earns you... if not a little bit more...

You see....low iq....schoolyard humour...and a total lack of talent. That is the so called "old guard". More bullshit than brains. You have no idea what I make. I am not the one stuck in a cold bleek shithole with no way out. Hell, even when you were here, you couldn't afford to live in Vancouver. That alone should tell you something, Trev. Try the nick line..you know...I pay more in taxes than you make in a year.

[softball]

Originally Posted by Trev

It was about as much as your wife earns you... if not a little bit more...

BTW, when you insult those who create content, you look like an ass. You sell content and have made money out of it. WTF do you think you are? There are a lot of people who produce actual product that would post here if morons like you would stfu and stop insulting those who make you money. But from what I hear, that ain't a lot any more.

[Rolo]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

I do. Damn you are too easy rolo. There you go lowering the IQ again. You make my point with every post you make. Keep em coming, kid.

Says the morron who have been coming back to Oprano for years with new nicks - yet hated it here (well, until the surfmasters took him in as a friend, oh well, they will soon learn that history repeats itself).

A genuine question - are you a Masochist?

[Trev]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

You see....low iq....schoolyard humour...and a total lack of talent. That is the so called "old guard". More bullshit than brains. You have no idea what I make. I am not the one stuck in a cold bleek shithole with no way out. Hell, even when you were here, you couldn't afford to live in Vancouver. That alone should tell you something, Trev. Try the nick line..you know...I pay more in taxes than you make in a year.

I've never claimed to have a high iq and I like low down and dirty attacks, they make things more interesting all round.

I also couldn't care less how much you make, any number you say would be bullshit so it's not even worth my thought.

As for living in Vancouver, I thought it was an armpit, plus I worked in New West so why live in an armpit that's an hour away from work... don't get me wrong other parts of BC are stunning but Van aint one of them.

[Trev]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

BTW, when you insult those who create content, you look like an ass. You sell content and have made money out of it. WTF do you think you are? There are a lot of people who produce actual product that would post here if morons like you would stfu and stop insulting those who make you money. But from what I hear, that ain't a lot any more.

I wasn't throwing an insult out to every model that is content... only your wife, she's a dog and no one can disagree with that...

[domtheboy]

Originally Posted by Rolo

A genuine question - are you a Masochist?

A genuine question ? Sounds more a like a rhetorical question to me.


The guy couldn't dig himself into the shit faster if I lent him a JCB.

[softball]

Originally Posted by Trev

I wasn't throwing an insult out to every model that is content... only your wife, she's a dog and no one can disagree with that...

OH, here we go again. You were, you dork. You have no idea about how to conduct business, yet you insult those who do. You have no idea about my "wife". You are out to take Oprano down again. I feel it coming.
What you suffer from is pure and simple envy. Successful people just get on your tits, kid. We are in the porn business. How we do it is up to us. You are in no position to insult anyone nor their "wives". What a freeking Walley.

[softball]

Originally Posted by Rolo

Says the morron who have been coming back to Oprano for years with new nicks - yet hated it here (well, until the surfmasters took him in as a friend, oh well, they will soon learn that history repeats itself).

A genuine question - are you a Masochist?

And now you are well, loved? Oh damn, you are still here. foot meet mouth.

[softball]

Originally Posted by Trev

I've never claimed to have a high iq and I like low down and dirty attacks, they make things more interesting all round.

I also couldn't care less how much you make, any number you say would be bullshit so it's not even worth my thought.

As for living in Vancouver, I thought it was an armpit, plus I worked in New West so why live in an armpit that's an hour away from work... don't get me wrong other parts of BC are stunning but Van aint one of them.

Dude, you live in an armpit. WTF are you thinking? Peas porridge heaven.

[Trev]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

OH, here we go again. You were, you dork. You have no idea about how to conduct business, yet you insult those who do. You have no idea about my "wife". You are out to take Oprano down again. I feel it coming.
What you suffer from is pure and simple envy. Successful people just get on your tits, kid. We are in the porn business. How we do it is up to us. You are in no position to insult anyone nor their "wives". What a freeking Walley.

Dork - Walley?!?!

There's two new ones for my collection of names that I don't quite fit into...

I'm not posting to take oprano down, up or sideways. I'm just posting, funny I thought that's what message boards were for...

I must admit I am a tad envious... just not of you - and why do you keep insinuating that I'm not in the adult entertainment industry and you all are?

[softball]

Originally Posted by domtheboy

A genuine question ? Sounds more a like a rhetorical question to me.


The guy couldn't dig himself into the shit faster if I lent him a JCB.

Damn another wannabee wide boy.

[Trev]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

Dude, you live in an armpit. WTF are you thinking? Peas porridge heaven.

I'll take my armpit over yours any day. Oh and it's peas pudding you moron, but then you knew that with your higher level of intelligence didn't you

[softball]

Originally Posted by Trev

I'll take my armpit over yours any day. Oh and it's peas pudding you moron, but then you knew that with your higher level of intelligence didn't you

It takes no level of intelligence to eat that shit. Your cellar still stocked with BabyCham. Oh and BTW, moron, if you think my wife looks anything like those pictures you guys were posting, you are sorely mistaken. But that is par for your course. Now go move some more bullshit pharma traffic and earn a few pence. You remember that? All the teeny, pharma traffic you used to move to oprano? You guys were such a waste of space. That is what I meant when I said you had nothing to impart to anyone around here.

[softball]

Originally Posted by Trev

I'll take my armpit over yours any day. Oh and it's peas pudding you moron, but then you knew that with your higher level of intelligence didn't you

WTF care....you eat it in a freeking sandwich anyway and wash it down with that brown swill.

[Rolo]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

And now you are well, loved?

It depends on the eye of the beholder

[Trev]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

It takes no level of intelligence to eat that shit. Your cellar still stocked with BabyCham. Oh and BTW, moron, if you think my wife looks anything like those pictures you guys were posting, you are sorely mistaken. But that is par for your course. Now go move some more bullshit pharma traffic and earn a few pence. You remember that? All the teeny, pharma traffic you used to move to oprano? You guys were such a waste of space. That is what I meant when I said you had nothing to impart to anyone around here.

You're boring me now, I'm going to watch a re-run of the eurovision song contest...

Wanna sell me some gore traffic... you must have loads hitting your site judging from the content...

[Jace]

I think it is funny the things that people THINK they know, but they are actually totally off with the information......

[JoesHO]

yeah they are just gettign pressured to come and spout of, used is the proper term I am looking for I guess. ( or bitch )

but hey if it pays the rent for them I guess a person has to do what a person has to do.

it is hard to make money in todays world LOL

[JR]

its very amusing that the same few fucking idiots who claim they are here for constructive business discussions can't stop pissing with those who obviously aren't. it's simple idiots... don't reply, don't start these threads, don't reply to other threads started by shit disturbers and shit dies down. but you can't can you? because you both the same. you are all no different than those you claim to dislike.. different sides of the same coin and threads like this prove it.

the bottom line is that you guys are basically newbs talking above your own heads, that frequently got ripped apart by your betters. happy that your betters left out of respect for gonzo, you can't stop talking about the new environment you created for yourselves... never once realizing what has been lost and never understanding why all the bigger players and big ADVERTISERS used to read this board.

its a strategy i guess... if you can't hang with truly intelligent people, then strive to surround yourself with retards so that you can then stand tall among complete idiots and feeling satisfied that you have become the new genius'. while you three amigos (jace, joe, rhetorical) are sitting here alone, patting yourselve's on your back... consider once and a while why you are sitting here alone in the darkness, stop to ask yourselves once in a while why no one is advertising and why fewer and fewer are reading this board.

its amazing. a few fucking idiots triumphantly standing together together claiming some sort of victory. never once realizing or accepting that others simply got tired of engaging in a battle of wits with unarmed surfmasters.

[Jace]

dude, do you really think thay I sit all day on oprano waiting for posts?

I post actively on 7 boards, oprano is just in a list of boards that I hit from my bookmarks when I get bored

I never take much seriously on the boards anymore, they are all but useless these days...I enjoy the chatting and banter that the boards bring me on a daily basis, that is IT....I am not here to learn or teach, I am not here to sell myself or be bought...I am here for the entertainment when I am not busy working

some of you all think you have everyone figured out, when you really have no clue

I love Gonzo, he is a dear friend and I will do everything to support him, but Oprano is just like the 7 other boards I have bookmarked, a place to stop, type and move on

[Jace]

oh, and btw, I was also one that asked gonzo to unban nick and anthony, or did you not see that part? gonzo does what he wants, this is his board 100%, and while I can influence his decisions, I can't change anything that is in his mind

[JR]

Originally Posted by Jace

I enjoy the chatting and banter that the boards bring me on a daily basis, that is IT....I am not here to learn or teach, I am not here to sell myself or be bought...I am here for the entertainment when I am not busy working

holy jesus fucking christ. really? you are now quoting my sentiments about message boards verbatim?

but ... but... but... i thought you were here to learn. thats what you said sooooooo many times. now you are quoting me. you said you wanted to learn. you wanted a positive, constructive environment yada yada yada... now you're here for "entertainment".

thanks for proving my point for me AGAIN. you, joe, rhetorical and the others are EXACTLY those people you claim you don't want here. the only difference is that you don't have to fear the fact that you guys are constantly saying mind numbingly stupid shit anymore... and no one will call you on it.

[JR]

Originally Posted by Jace

oh, and btw, I was also one that asked gonzo to unban nick and anthony, or did you not see that part? gonzo does what he wants, this is his board 100%, and while I can influence his decisions, I can't change anything that is in his mind

you were also the one starting a thread about how much shit you stirred up. but... as you said, its all just entertainment to you. like most others, you are hoping to see the trainwreck... and even create one if possible. hopefully joe and rhetorical and rcourt64 won't ostracize you from the official Band of Retards for your insubordination and deviation from the official party line. with talk like yours, you might just become another enemy of the oprano state.

[JoesHO]

Originally Posted by JR

its very amusing that the same few fucking idiots who claim they are here for constructive business discussions can't stop pissing with those who obviously aren't. it's simple idiots... don't reply, don't start these threads, don't reply to other threads started by shit disturbers and shit dies down. but you can't can you? because you both the same. you are all no different than those you claim to dislike.. different sides of the same coin and threads like this prove it.

the bottom line is that you guys are basically newbs talking above your own heads, that frequently got ripped apart by your betters. happy that your betters left out of respect for gonzo, you can't stop talking about the new environment you created for yourselves... never once realizing what has been lost and never understanding why all the bigger players and big ADVERTISERS used to read this board.

its a strategy i guess... if you can't hang with truly intelligent people, then strive to surround yourself with retards so that you can then stand tall among complete idiots and feeling satisfied that you have become the new genius'. while you three amigos (jace, joe, rhetorical) are sitting here alone, patting yourselve's on your back... consider once and a while why you are sitting here alone in the darkness, stop to ask yourselves once in a while why no one is advertising and why fewer and fewer are reading this board.

its amazing. a few fucking idiots triumphantly standing together together claiming some sort of victory. never once realizing or accepting that others simply got tired of engaging in a battle of wits with unarmed surfmasters.

so move on then and finsd a place for yourself to go.

Advertising is better than it was at anytime in the prior admiistration, and we are not people to let morons without a clue ( even though they act like they have one ) some did at some point but the scam days are over .

The RAEL big players were gone when Serge anfd Mike still had it ( they all left to go to bradshaws board) and the only people left were fellow scammers of a day gone by, or wannabes like you claiming to be better than everyone else.

why come and be negative, ????

again it is really very simple, if you do not like it leave ...

you are not even in the adult business, so why do you come here ? what is your motivation ? do you think you really matter opinion wise ?

[Vick]

Originally Posted by Jace

dude, do you really think thay I sit all day on oprano waiting for posts?

I post actively on 7 boards, oprano is just in a list of boards that I hit from my bookmarks when I get bored

I never take much seriously on the boards anymore, they are all but useless these days...I enjoy the chatting and banter that the boards bring me on a daily basis, that is IT....I am not here to learn or teach, I am not here to sell myself or be bought...I am here for the entertainment when I am not busy working

some of you all think you have everyone figured out, when you really have no clue

I love Gonzo, he is a dear friend and I will do everything to support him, but Oprano is just like the 7 other boards I have bookmarked, a place to stop, type and move on

Ok I've stayed away and out of all this for the most part but I have to ask

Aren't you here to promote your business and get new affiliates?

Isn't that what messageboards are for program owners?

[JoesHO]

I thought exodus, and protest, meant you leave ????

go join your buddys make millions and be happy .

[Jace]

Originally Posted by JR

holy jesus fucking christ. really? you are now quoting my sentiments about message boards verbatim?

but ... but... but... i thought you were here to learn. thats what you said sooooooo many times. now you are quoting me. you said you wanted to learn. you wanted a positive, constructive environment yada yada yada... now you're here for "entertainment".

thanks for proving my point for me AGAIN. you, joe, rhetorical and the others are EXACTLY those people you claim you don't want here. the only difference is that you don't have to fear the fact that you guys are constantly saying mind numbingly stupid shit anymore... and no one will call you on it.

isn't it possible to be somewhere for one reason and learn in the process?

sorry if I don't get all my thoughts out at the same time for you to dissect, if you would like me to write a big long dramtic post about how I feel about the boards I will, but I really don't feel like it

[JR]

Originally Posted by JoesHO

why come and be negative, ????

and you are just spreading the sunshine day in and day out.

you are the anti serge... except less intelligent, slightly better grammar and you resemble a manatee. if you want a constructive environment to discuss business and learn... why do you start threads like this and spend your time here pissing in them, you stupid fucking twit?

shut your mouth and move on and be the person you claim to be... or be man enough to admit that you are no different than anyone else, have nothing more to offer than anyone else and don't care to learn anything or discuss business anymore than anyone else.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by JR

you were also the one starting a thread about how much shit you stirred up. but... as you said, its all just entertainment to you. like most others, you are hoping to see the trainwreck... and even create one if possible. hopefully joe and rhetorical and rcourt64 won't ostracize you from the official Band of Retards for your insubordination and deviation from the official party line. with talk like yours, you might just become another enemy of the oprano state.

as long as it gets page views, right?

[Vick]

and I don't know where all this scammer stuff comes from (well I think I do but that's for another time)

Some posting here weren't around while MikeAI and I pissed hard on spammers and almost everyone pissed on dialers

and the fall from that high horse I was riding was a little painful


The one thing I never totally understood was some early internet porn sites were owned by companies who came from the phone sex industry, why did the billing model change from per minute to a term subscription fee?

[JR]

Originally Posted by Jace

isn't it possible to be somewhere for one reason and learn in the process?

sorry if I don't get all my thoughts out at the same time for you to dissect, if you would like me to write a big long dramtic post about how I feel about the boards I will, but I really don't feel like it

personally, i dont care why anyone is here. everyone has their own reasons and thats fine with me. but it USED to be a community of people who knew each other well, did business together and were friends in the real world. it was also entertainment as you said. but you were one of the ones bitching and complaining that you wanted something different... now you are saying you want it to be what it used to be.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by Vick

Ok I've stayed away and out of all this for the most part but I have to ask

Aren't you here to promote your business and get new affiliates?

Isn't that what messageboards are for program owners?

oh yeah, totally, but the amount of new affiliates I have gained from the boards in the past 3-4 months that I have actually sent me quality traffic is disturbing....yeah, people sign up left and right and from every board, but my active webmasters are the ones that have been around for longer than that

2 years ago I used to get tons of affiliate sign ups on the boards, and you could see traffic flow in instantly and sales followed that...but lately, as of the past 4-6 months, the quality of posters and active affiliates across all boards has dramtically decreased....so, i gave up on seeking out affiliates on boards, I go to the source these days.

[JR]

Originally Posted by Jace

as long as it gets page views, right?

Jace, i have zero problem with you. basically you seem like just another guy, like many running sites in this biz. my problem is the whole "old timers" ... "we want something new here and you're not welcome" thing.

you were just as much a part of that as joe or anyone else. but the simple fact is, you guys dont really talk about business, can't wait to piss with people and are basically no different than those you were so proud to have run off. threads like this and the replies prove that simple fact.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by JR

personally, i dont care why anyone is here. everyone has their own reasons and thats fine with me. but it USED to be a community of people who knew each other well, did business together and were friends in the real world. it was also entertainment as you said. but you were one of the ones bitching and complaining that you wanted something different... now you are saying you want it to be what it used to be.

see, that is where I am confused...you DO care about everyone here, otherwise you wouldn't take so much time every day on here to tell everyone your thoughts

whether you care is hate or love, you do care, and THAT is obvious

[JR]

anyway... my username and password can be deleted for all i care. 3-4 spineless people creating their own "feel good" circle jerk of self compliments and back patting is not worth anyones time to read or participate in.

[JoesHO]

Originally Posted by JR

and you are just spreading the sunshine day in and day out.

you are the anti serge... except less intelligent, slightly better grammar and you resemble a manatee. if you want a constructive environment to discuss business and learn... why do you start threads like this and spend your time here pissing in them, you stupid fucking twit?

shut your mouth and move on and be the person you claim to be... or be man enough to admit that you are no different than anyone else, have nothing more to offer than anyone else and don't care to learn anything or discuss business anymore than anyone else.

Oh but I do. I jsut want to discuss it with people that are actually going to do business, and not talk about old days, or put down ideas of newbies, or put down content people, or harshly critise people who care abotu their customers adn are not out to try to fuck people all day, then claim they are the smart ones.

remember if you will, some of them came out OK with money ( left at the right time) others went to jail, and even more lost it all)

so who is the smart one? the rabbit or the turtle?

you have no fucking clue about me personally, or any of my buisiness involvments so why do you comment on them so much ?

[Vick]

Originally Posted by Jace

oh yeah, totally, but the amount of new affiliates I have gained from the boards in the past 3-4 months that I have actually sent me quality traffic is disturbing....yeah, people sign up left and right and from every board, but my active webmasters are the ones that have been around for longer than that

2 years ago I used to get tons of affiliate sign ups on the boards, and you could see traffic flow in instantly and sales followed that...but lately, as of the past 4-6 months, the quality of posters and active affiliates across all boards has dramtically decreased....so, i gave up on seeking out affiliates on boards, I go to the source these days.

Jace, you say one thing then take another position, not a huge flip but you see what I mean

This is where the experience of the posters who used to be here comes in handy.

I'm still not over Jace basically flipping off Robin in another thread when Robin has a serious head full of knowledge.

No one's asking anyone to kiss anyone's ring but a little respect goes a long way ... and respect has to be earned. Just like a the privilege to post on Oprano had to be earned


Oprano was sort of a water cooler where we could come and discuss whatever and by building those relationships we did business. We knew who were we working with and what we could do

[Jace]

Originally Posted by JR

Jace, i have zero problem with you. basically you seem like just another guy, like many running sites in this biz. my problem is the whole "old timers" ... "we want something new here and you're not welcome" thing.

you were just as much a part of that as joe or anyone else. but the simple fact is, you guys dont really talk about business, can't wait to piss with people and are basically no different than those you were so proud to have run off. threads like this and the replies prove that simple fact.

I have stated over and over again that I have no problem with anyone on this board, I want Nick and Anthony unbanned, and I want every to have fun and post....I have said this over and over again

I don't want people to use the words "old timers"....and I have never thought that there shoudl be something new here

just like serge and his army used the term "surfmasters" like it was the last word left on earth, the other side kept using "old timers"....and while I got caught up in it, when people got banned is when I realized that I was caught up something fucking stupid and stopped

[JoesHO]

Originally Posted by JR

anyway... my username and password can be deleted for all i care. 3-4 spineless people creating their own "feel good" circle jerk of self compliments and back patting is not worth anyones time to read or participate in.

see ya, have fun in mainstream, dont let that door hit you in the ass.

[JR]

Originally Posted by Jace

see, that is where I am confused...you DO care about everyone here, otherwise you wouldn't take so much time every day on here to tell everyone your thoughts

whether you care is hate or love, you do care, and THAT is obvious

no... i was here well before there was an oprano. i care a little about what used to be here and what it was because it was a part of my life and there was a community of friends who had all made significant achievements in this biz.

right now, i am just bored. since i have only a few thousand posts since this board began, i don't think the argument holds that i care much at all. like you said, i agree fully and have said again and again.... messageboards are a diversion and distraction... nothing more. i am posting between uploading sites to my server... and doing so out of boredom.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by Vick

Jace, you say one thing then take another position, not a huge flip but you see what I mean

This is where the experience of the posters who used to be here comes in handy.

I'm still not over Jace basically flipping off Robin in another thread when Robin has a serious head full of knowledge.

No one's asking anyone to kiss anyone's ring but a little respect goes a long way ... and respect has to be earned. Just like a the privilege to post on Oprano had to be earned


Oprano was sort of a water cooler where we could come and discuss whatever and by building those relationships we did business. We knew who were we working with and what we could do

when have I said anything different...I may say things in a wierd way sometimes when my fingers can't keep up with my head...but this has been the way I have thought for months now

I am sorry, I don't know Robin and the first time he spoke to me was to put me down, and you want ME to respect HIM? LOL...yeah, right

[Vick]

Originally Posted by Jace

...... used the term "surfmasters" like it was the last word left on earth, the other side kept using "old timers"....and while I got caught up in it, when people got banned is when I realized that I was caught up something fucking stupid and stopped

Nice ;-)