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My vote for Kerry is because I believe it is best for ME, and at the end of the day that is what really matter to all of us. What is best for ourselves.
I work in PORN
Something I believe is both moraly acceptable and constitutionally protected. The current administration does not share my feelings on this matter which is MOST important to me.
"Porn has no place in a decent society" - John Ashcroft
If the proposed changes to 2257 (written by Ashcroft) do not indicate to you that this admin is out to harm the internet porn industry in any way they can good luck, and I have this bridge for sale in Brooklyn.
This industry is covered by the First Amendment due to a 5-4 vote on the supreme court. A single judge replacement could mean life or death for the industry.
Judging by the Fundamentalist Christian Yo-Yo appointed as AG - I sure as hell don't want Bush putting judges on the supreme court.
I admit that with Kerry we don't know what we are getting, but I would rather take my chances with an unknown, then with someone that has already laid the groudwork for the attack on that which feeds me.
Old Jeff - I believe your an intelligent man and we agree on many issues
But (and I'll get flamed for this) I believe Ashcroft is better for the long term profitability of the porn industry than whomever Kerry will place in the AG position
The field need to be narrowed, the herd trimmed
One of the fews ways our industry will increase profitability is by government intervention
All porn peddlers like ourselves can't be done away with but some of the fringe (or major) guys could go
and I wouldn't want to be one of the test cases but
It's a chance I'll willing to take
and I know a line of thinking is well if the new 2257 (ambiguous language and enforcement and all) passes what's next
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I am in a different situaton. I would be comfortable voting for Bush, even if he shut down the porn business. There is more to life then just a job. I can always find another job, start another company. I am concerned about Kerry being a Jimmy Carter, and weakening the US at a very critical juncture of our history. I want someone who is going to prosecute the war on terror vigerously.
I want someone who is going to slap Iran down for building nukes, not someone who wants to wheel and deal with them.
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to me that's not a good enough reason to vote for Kerry, and most people in this industry are saying and thinking the same way
my life, my kids life and way of life is WAY more important than a job.
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Serge, I would rather live in a country with no boobie and Ashcroft, then live in a Nation where we are a huge target.
Look what just happened in Russia. Do we need Al Quada do the same to us in the United States?
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Originally posted by Mike AI@Sep 3 2004, 11:31 AM Serge, I would rather live in a country with no boobie and Ashcroft, then live in a Nation where we are a huge target.
Look what just happened in Russia. Do we need Al Quada do the same to us in the United States?
no, we do NOT. Mike, as you know, THIS is the MOST important election of yours and mine life times and I am unease at every direction I look.
maybe I'll follow the request iof my mother in law who says:
if you don't vote Bush-
please stay home
;-))
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Originally posted by Vick@Sep 3 2004, 04:49 AM Old Jeff - I believe your an intelligent man and we agree on many issues
But (and I'll get flamed for this) I believe Ashcroft is better for the long term profitability of the porn industry than whomever Kerry will place in the AG position
The field need to be narrowed, the herd trimmed
One of the fews ways our industry will increase profitability is by government intervention
All porn peddlers like ourselves can't be done away with but some of the fringe (or major) guys could go
and I wouldn't want to be one of the test cases but
It's a chance I'll willing to take
and I know a line of thinking is well if the new 2257 (ambiguous language and enforcement and all) passes what's next
that being said, hes also the worst thing to happen to personal freedoms since Lincoln suspended habeus corpus.
Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Sep 3 2004, 09:06 AM grimm,
what are the personal freedoms YOU lost you miss the most?
the right to personal privacy is the on that irks me the most..
search and seizure is second. maybe a tie with being able to be held without a charge inevitably.
these all could effect anyone. think that the next time you go abroad with more than 10K in cash. the fact that you may be held indefinitely until they figure out what the 10K was for
Lincoln was a Republican too Grimm - things turned out all right.
Please show me in the Constitution the part about "privacy", I spent 3 years in law school - and never could find the "privacy clause"
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The Patriot Act is the biggest load of shit ever. And the fact that Bush didn't veto it is also ridiculous. But then again, it serves his purpose to restrict what his potential competition can and can't do.
Originally posted by *KK*@Sep 3 2004, 10:44 AM The Patriot Act is the biggest load of shit ever. And the fact that Bush didn't veto it is also ridiculous. But then again, it serves his purpose to restrict what his potential competition can and can't do.
are you implying, that if given the chance at four more years, Bush would try to act like a dictator? or that he has for the last four years? ( remeber I am easy to confuse)
Originally posted by *KK*@Sep 3 2004, 01:44 PM The Patriot Act is the biggest load of shit ever. And the fact that Bush didn't veto it is also ridiculous. But then again, it serves his purpose to restrict what his potential competition can and can't do.
The Patriot Act has MAJOR flaws. It should be re-written to make it much narrower and focus on terrorist acts. It should not be used to arrest, harass, monitor normal criminals.
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Originally posted by grimm@Sep 3 2004, 12:01 PM that being said, hes also the worst thing to happen to personal freedoms since Lincoln suspended habeus corpus.
Worse than FDR locking up Japs and Germs?
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Originally posted by Mike AI@Sep 3 2004, 08:18 AM Jeff those are all valid points.
I am in a different situaton. I would be comfortable voting for Bush, even if he shut down the porn business. There is more to life then just a job. I can always find another job, start another company. I am concerned about Kerry being a Jimmy Carter, and weakening the US at a very critical juncture of our history. I want someone who is going to prosecute the war on terror vigerously.
I want someone who is going to slap Iran down for building nukes, not someone who wants to wheel and deal with them.
exactly
If I'm not alive want good is porn 2 me.
I swear though most people in this Ind. don't see it that way.
Now is not time time to be thinking about money...
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Good fuckin' christ...they've done it brilliantly; got people so spazzed that the end of the world is nigh if you don't support the non-evil doers.
People do remember the cold war right? Us vs them...? Those evil ruskies are gonna destory our way of life. There's a commie at every corner waiting to subverse western culture?
They took a horrific attack, turned into a self-serving, power grabbing political agenda - invaded a sovereign nation & sacrificed over 1000 US kids based on *cough* faulty intelligence (which just happens to have the 4th largest oil reserve, the leader of whom tried to knock off our current pres's dad - guess where the Pres & VP made their money and who got those contracts?). Might I add - they seemed to have forgotten about the asshole responsible...while giving every gutter arab and his brother another reason to hate the US even more.
remember this guy? Hello....no one brings this up while haliburton, unocal, the carlyle group are making billions...just a few months after they were hosting the taliban in Tx. Why don't you look at who Karzai worked for?
But you're safe now or safer! Terrorist attacks are down...or might I add - we said they were down but again, we were mistaken; they're really on the rise - seems we always "make mistakes" and admit them after the good PR had done it's job - we'll protect your children from the evil doers anyway, so who cares about things like "mistakes".
BTW -There's a terrorist attack impending. We have credible evidence but that evidence doesn't say when/where/how it will happen...we overheard two camel jockey's talking on a cell phone so we interpreted that as a threat.
Are you with us, or do you support those commie bastards, I mean evil doers?
Originally posted by aeon@Sep 3 2004, 07:36 PM Good fuckin' christ...they've done it brilliantly; got people so spazzed that the end of the world is nigh if you don't support the non-evil doers.
People do remember the cold war right? Us vs them...? Those evil ruskies are gonna destory our way of life. There's a commie at every corner waiting to subverse western culture?
They took a horrific attack, turned into a self-serving, power grabbing political agenda - invaded a sovereign nation & sacrificed over 1000 US kids based on *cough* faulty intelligence (which just happens to have the 4th largest oil reserve, the leader of whom tried to knock off our current pres's dad - guess where the Pres & VP made their money and who got those contracts?). Might I add - they seemed to have forgotten about the asshole responsible...while giving every gutter arab and his brother another reason to hate the US even more.
remember this guy? Hello....no one brings this up while haliburton, unocal, the carlyle group are making billions...just a few months after they were hosting the taliban in Tx. Why don't you look at who Karzai worked for?
But you're safe now or safer! Terrorist attacks are down...or might I add - we said they were down but again, we were mistaken; they're really on the rise - seems we always "make mistakes" and admit them after the good PR had done it's job - we'll protect your children from the evil doers anyway, so who cares about things like "mistakes".
BTW -There's a terrorist attack impending. We have credible evidence but that evidence doesn't say when/where/how it will happen...we overheard two camel jockey's talking on a cell phone so we interpreted that as a threat.
Are you with us, or do you support those commie bastards, I mean evil doers?
The enemy within, is always the strongest one to defeat
The enemy within, is always the strongest one to defeat
Don't agree with me. I hate hippy stoners even more than I do al queada, arab terrorists and camel jockey freedom fighters.
Give me a choice and I'd carpet bomb a greatful dead concert way before I'd bomb holy warriors.
When it comes down to a choice between hippy leftists and anyone else - all I have to say is "allah ackbar". If only the camel jockey's could selectively target.