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Originally posted by hibbidiji@May 29 2003, 08:03 PM My answer to board sponsor late on payment would be Call them and if the phone was out of service of I could not locate the number even though whois or antything then what Sykk said.
wrong,
you need more information for the correct answer and you failed to ask the right questions...
;-(
OK.
If I'M running the board and managing things then I will be keeping good track of which money is coming from where so I'd know the answers to theses questions:
Is this a loss of sponsership money?
Is this a technical issue - server / bw etc?
Is this a case of too much being spent on promotions / contests?
or is it none of these?
Andrew
Originally posted by hibbidiji@May 29 2003, 08:06 PM OK.
If I'M running the board and managing things then I will be keeping good track of which money is coming from where so I'd know the answers to theses questions:
Is this a loss of sponsership money?
Is this a technical issue - server / bw etc?
Is this a case of too much being spent on promotions / contests?
or is it none of these?
Andrew
are you asking those question in reference to 2nd or 3rd situation?
Is this a loss of sponsership money?
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yes
Is this a technical issue - server / bw etc?
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no....
Is this a case of too much being spent on promotions / contests?
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Oprano is notorious for spending NOTHING on promotions...
we are cheap bastards and "Oprano Dinner" or Oprano BBQ is not counted
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Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@May 29 2003, 09:15 PM Peaches,
it's good answer but..
John was siced 3 weeks passed, nothing happened, what's next?
re:#3...
men don't do those things
;-))
would YOU really do that?
THEN you bring it to the boards, since it's now been FIVE weeks since they haven't paid (the original 2 weeks plus the 3 weeks since John was activated )
#3 - Yes, I'd do that! It's nothing different than a commission sales position - if you don't produce, your income drops until you do. I always worked harder when I needed to put food on the table.
Originally posted by hibbidiji@May 29 2003, 08:21 PM Did we lose a major sponsor or a combination of smaller ones?
Are the number of posts on the board down, the same or more?
We all know the 7% drop is due to Serge's loss on the market this week, only way to make up for it is begin stealing trash from offices of S&P 500 firms and give Gecko, I mean Serge a good stock tip.
Skills? I've been to your dinners, requirements should include getting Billy in the kitchen to cook up some real seafood, these Vegas restaurants don't have anything on his supposed clam bakes, sounds like a front to smoke the illegal tobacco to me.
How do you get people to read the board? Send the 80% of the population who didn't pass 8th grade English back to class to pass high school equivalency tests.
See you don't need Mutt, all your answers are right in front of you.
have they toatly disappeared - or just making themselves
unavailable to you ??
you did get a copy of their DL or similar doc faxed prior to ad placement,
correct ??
you did postal mail something that required a verifcation of delivery
signature way back in week one of board ad placement, correct ??
you did check with their local post office for a mail forwarding
tick, didn't you ??
you did require a copy of a current utility bill in their name
way back in week one, correct ??
you did call the deadbeats neighbors to see if they know where their
neighbor might have moved to, correct ??
you did call the phone company to see if there is a new listing
for them elsewhere (perhaps they moved and have new service)...
you did call their local newspaper to confirm delivery is ongoing,
correct ??
there's tons of othr things you could do if the time and effort is
worth the potential collection $$ - sometimes the time and effort
is better spent elsewhere (Board growth and NEW business -
as opposed to tracing deadbeats... that always seem to resurface
at some point...)
in any event... good luck...
you're doing good - hibbidiji. . .
but I personally think that anyone that has "the DV" offering to
help them in their business and doesn't JUMP on that - - - just might
not realllllly be hiring...
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there's tons of othr things you could do if the time and effort is
worth the potential collection $$ - sometimes the time and effort
is better spent elsewhere (Board growth and NEW business -
as opposed to tracing deadbeats... that always seem to resurface
at some point...)
You just answered your own questions ... the background checks you suggested above are a rediculous waste of resources. The customers banners could have been removed and a new sponsor found to replace them in 1/10 of the time it would take you to do all that background checking.
Especially seeing oprano plus doesn't charge much for advertising ... you just spent 3 times the cost of a month of advertising on checking up on the person ...
I'll take a loss of 1 month advertising revenue over all that extra headache anyday.
I've yet to see an applicant volunteer information on how they would bring in traffic and advertisers ... anyone?
Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@May 29 2003, 04:56 PM Andrew,
you never answered question #2 but I have
Situation number 3....
situation..
3 months passed since you started working for Oprano and the Gross went down 7%..
your thoughts:
Thats certainly a real world question these days with the oversaturation of resources.
Id answer with ...determine what changed and then react.
Changes in this industry come from outside a resource as much as from the inside.
External conditions exist that each resource must react/adapt to in order to survive.
You cant fix a problem unless you know the nature of it.
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Originally posted by cj@May 29 2003, 09:15 PM I've yet to see an applicant volunteer information on how they would bring in traffic and advertisers ... anyone?
Newbie advice boards always did the trick for traffic, looks like Dokk is starting a new one =)
Why not combine Oprano with Voltar's newbie board and bring him on as webmaster. There you go
Originally posted by Toolz@May 29 2003, 08:51 PM Skills? I've been to your dinners, requirements should include getting Billy in the kitchen to cook up some real seafood, these Vegas restaurants don't have anything on his supposed clam bakes, sounds like a front to smoke the illegal tobacco to me.
clam bakes ????
Please I am all about the crawfish and oysters !
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Originally posted by cj@May 29 2003, 10:15 PM I've yet to see an applicant volunteer information on how they would bring in traffic
Well, lessee...
I would probably go over to GFY and make up a new poisonality... and I would go in and chum up with the GFY regs for a day or so...
Then I would publicly call Serge out on GFY......
Then, of course, being a proud member of Oprano I would have to come back here under my own identity and post a thread to the GFY thread, pointing it out to Serge (in 5 words or less)....
Then I would go back to GFY and wait for serge... boasting all kinds of shit... Getting the natives restless.... While waiting for the mad russian to show up, I would post links to the thread or drop it in discussion on as many boards as possible.... Once Serge showed up, I would fight for a bit on GFY and crosspost onto Oprano as both myself and as my GFY personality..... Thereby getting the Oprano natives stirred up.....
I would slowly move the discussion more and more onto Oprano's home court then once things were stirred enough to have traffic flowing, my GFY personality would find an excuse to disappear for a bit.....
Whenever the board slows down... repeat formula across different boards using different variations... Intellectual flame wars with various Oprano members... Knock down drag out wars with various Oprano members... Whatever , you couldn't let them know what you were doiing though .lololol..
sarettah, i feel you are not taking this situation seriously ... you are making a mockery of a serious webmaster position with a professional, conservative company. What you are suggesting would require opranauts to lower themselves to the standard of GFY webmasters, and as we all know, we are so much more mature than them. This industry has nothing to do with board games & childish teasing, we are professional business people who handle business situations with class & maturity. I think you should go to your room & think about your behaviour for the evening.
Bottom line is Oprano could benefit from adding value to the board. You need to ask only one question:
Why would new people come to this board? Getting side-winded by diehard right wing battallions only goes so far for entertainment value. Any veterans in this business know Serge or MikeAi so if they haven't made it to the board yet, chances are they will not any time soon. Although you can work to improve on that too!
That leaves new blood, and there is little on this board for newbies. So if that's the audience you're after, resources is the best bet. You can always do something new and fun. Offer freebies, templates, helpfiles, tshirts, stickers, prizes, all those cheesy little gimmicks that work. Alot more folks are joining the porn game because it's the best game in town. All the diggers want new pots, pans, blue jeans, they want them now, cheap, free as always.
Also boardwhores as separate enities/employees help tremendously. There are quite a few in this thread alone. The agents, the minions, the armies of Opranoids are waiting to hatch. The budget allows for 1 ubermaster or 2, stretch at 3, (performance bonuses not included) fresh Opranoids to bring the flock back home.
Listen to the pulse. Oh! And I'm a great cook too!
Originally posted by Toolz@May 29 2003, 08:51 PM Sponsor, schmonsor,
We all know the 7% drop is due to Serge's loss on the market this week, only way to make up for it is begin stealing trash from offices of S&P 500 firms and give Gecko, I mean Serge a good stock tip.
Skills? I've been to your dinners, requirements should include getting Billy in the kitchen to cook up some real seafood, these Vegas restaurants don't have anything on his supposed clam bakes, sounds like a front to smoke the illegal tobacco to me.
How do you get people to read the board? Send the 80% of the population who didn't pass 8th grade English back to class to pass high school equivalency tests.
See you don't need Mutt, all your answers are right in front of you.
Toolz,
do you have any idea in $$ terms what 7% loss in stock market woulkd be for me?
do you really see me losing 7% of my net worth in a week???
That leaves new blood, and there is little on this board for newbies. So if that's the audience you're after, resources is the best bet. You can always do something new and fun. Offer freebies, templates, helpfiles, tshirts, stickers, prizes, all those cheesy little gimmicks that work. Alot more folks are joining the porn game because it's the best game in town. All the diggers want new pots, pans, blue jeans, they want them now, cheap, free as always.
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yeah, but all this shlock has no traffic to sell...so why bother with them?
Although there are a lot of resources/industry news sites around, they all work the same way.
They wait for someone to contact them and give them the info that they post, but by going out and actively seeking links, you can quickly become the best source of industry information.
Maybe consider allowing webmaster interaction on the resources links,
if people have got something to say about a certain program listed in your resources,
be it good, bad or indifferent, give them the means of doing so.
Try to become the place that people check before they use a certain service,
or sign up with an affiliate program.
This should bring in all types of webmaster traffic, from newbies right through to the veterans,
once you have the traffic, you can then approach new advertisers with the facts in hand.
Originally posted by hibbidiji@May 29 2003, 08:21 PM Did we lose a major sponsor or a combination of smaller ones?
Are the number of posts on the board down, the same or more?
All businesses require a constant stream of activity. Feeding existing relationships and projects and constantly harvesting new ones.
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As Serge stated there are all type of webmaster traffic. Unfortunately a good percentage that isn’t worth the time of day.
Established /full time– actually making money on adult internet.
Entrepreneur/ Part time – Just another investment
Dreamer/Part time – dreams of being a porn lord. Has some AVS sites, throws up
TPG’s and is always looking for a good free deal.
Beer Bitch/Part time – Is happy making enough for beer money.
I believe a successful board has something for all the groups above. In adult internet it’s all about traffic and signups. A 1000 part timers will easily fill in gaps. That and most established webmasters run their own programs, promoting their own sites.
Every board out there offers a newbie section with articles. Netpond is now soliciting new articles in the forum. The articles in that area are old. The education and resource area, if you’re going have one, should be engaging in a constant tempo. One that provides information and interaction. If I go to a board, I’ll print a few articles and I’m gone unless something really interests me. When I see the same people posting over and over, 50 or more fucking times a day, one and two liner post (because they want a prize or money to post) I’m not wasting that much of my time there. Successful networks engage and deploy a plan. After all isn’t that the trick? Teach them all that you can so they can do that for you or the network you support?
I think that Oprano needs useful tools, perhaps scripts for webmasters. These would need constant updating and promoting. Interesting articles about business is something I really enjoy. A good newsletter is definitely in order but it needs to be clever to make a webmaster want to READ it instead of hitting the delete button. Creating good free scripts with java banner rotation throughout keep the webmasters mindful. Coming up with the right scripts is the key.
I’ve learned a lot on Oprano. I consider myself a pretty savvy business woman who needed to sharpen my edge. After a few months on the boards, especially this one, I was able to lay some tracks. It brought focus to all the things I wanted to do, thought about doing and new projects to consider.
I’d personal like to see good moderators here. Not moderators that introduce a lot of stupid topics- “What did you eat for breakfast?” – I mean it’s ok to be lighthearted but when you see this stupid shit all the time it gets annoying. That’s why I only pop by GFY for a few minutes a day, keep my presence on the boards, make a post or two & leave. I’m just not interested in reading or interacting.
Something that would be interesting on a board, a lot of work but worth it, would be a webmasters community of sorts where webmasters could learn & interact with others publishing the same content or promoting like products. Kinda like what I want to do with Niche Cartel- a site that focused on niche content, resources, extensive information, tools to teach webmasters better ways to promote niches. If you promote niches you want to know who your surfer is and how you can better serve them. A webmaster community taps into several major areas- niche, amateur, products (pills, toys, 900).
Damn, sorry for this long ass post. My brain isn’t even awake! I need more coffee.
Oh Serge, I just got the cutest damn billy goat. He’s handsome, runs around like crazy getting up in the pigs asses. You gotta watch this goat because when you turn your back, playfully he’ll ram you in the butt. I was thinking of a name and I think I’ll call him Serge. I’ll take some pictures.
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Oh Serge, I just got the cutest damn billy goat. He’s handsome, runs around like crazy getting up in the pigs asses. You gotta watch this goat because when you turn your back, playfully he’ll ram you in the butt. I was thinking of a name and I think I’ll call him Serge. I’ll take some pictures.
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Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@May 30 2003, 07:07 AM Oh Serge, I just got the cutest damn billy goat. He’s handsome, runs around like crazy getting up in the pigs asses. You gotta watch this goat because when you turn your back, playfully he’ll ram you in the butt. I was thinking of a name and I think I’ll call him Serge. I’ll take some pictures.
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does he need a god father??
I can christen him all right!
;_)))
You're a nasty nasty man Serge. Maybe that's who you're so damn infamous!
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Originally posted by cj@May 30 2003, 02:40 AM sarettah, i feel you are not taking this situation seriously ... you are making a mockery of a serious webmaster position with a professional, conservative company. What you are suggesting would require opranauts to lower themselves to the standard of GFY webmasters, and as we all know, we are so much more mature than them. This industry has nothing to do with board games & childish teasing, we are professional business people who handle business situations with class & maturity. I think you should go to your room & think about your behaviour for the evening.
Both sites have contact forms to get in touch with me... I hardly ever keep my ICQ on so I would need to know when you would contact me and I wil turn it on.
Originally posted by Broc Lee@May 30 2003, 08:59 AM Ok, now that I had to sign up for this board to reply to your postings on GFY... I am here and I expect a response from you Serge.
I am interested in what have listed so far.... how much U payin?
Both sites have contact forms to get in touch with me... I hardly ever keep my ICQ on so I would need to know when you would contact me and I wil turn it on.
Talk to you soon....
how much am I paying?????
you haven't inspired me yet to even to consider answering this question...
I tell you Serge, if things get as bad as you've said in this thread, I'd be forced to hunt down the guilty party and beat them senseless with rubber farm animals... On videotape, no less. Then I'd sell the tapes to make back any money I lost from them.
Originally posted by Broc Lee@May 30 2003, 08:59 AM Ok, now that I had to sign up for this board to reply to your postings on GFY... I am here and I expect a response from you Serge.
I'm interested too Serge...
If you want the honor of me working for you, fly on out and talk to me.... You might have to wait for a few hours at my secretary's desk because I might be playing golf or at some verrrry important meeting at the titty bar...
Originally posted by LadyMischief@May 30 2003, 09:26 AM I tell you Serge, if things get as bad as you've said in this thread, I'd be forced to hunt down the guilty party and beat them senseless with rubber farm animals... On videotape, no less. Then I'd sell the tapes to make back any money I lost from them.
See? No situation is hopeless.
hmmm....some of our sponsors can beat both me and Mike with their hands tied behind the back...
;-))
Sorry I missed out on this conversation yesterday
Being a long time friend of Oprano (as many others are) let me see if I can help out a little
You want more eyes to the site - sarettah was on track - stir shit. Don't be afraid to break eggs to make omelet. Luke Ford (even if you hate him) is always an easy target. Grab some dirt on his doings and gets him and others posting. Controversy sells
Want more posts - ask questions (like Colin does) about interesting topics. Questions require replies and thought exchanges as people have opinions are usually are willing to share their opinions
Also post interesting news articles (like Forest, Serge, MikeAI, myself and a few other do) and ask for other opinions about them and what they would do
Payment 3 weeks over due and John (where's the fucking money) is already on the case ..... act like a collection agency. call morning and evening. Find out why fees haven't been paid, what the problem is and more importantly HOW TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM (have the sponsor send payment, take CC payment or check payment right then when you get them on the phone, if it bounces ..... cat's out of the bag) AND EVEN MORE IMPORTANT COLLECT!
Revenues down 7% - WHY? What has happened to make this drop happen - make the solution and keep it simple KISS
Respectfully I disagree with DV, Oprano doesn't need scripts and so on as most people here have made it in the business and already have what they need or know where to get it
right now it looks like the focus of this thread is on personality and growth of Oprano and maintaining the Oprano Brand (which are all important) but remember Mutt also did the sports pools (he found the software, installed it and maintained it)
Edit - get the Oprano newsletter back up and running on a regular basis, Print half the article or info in the email and link back to Oprano for the rest of the info
Also that is more ad space to sell
after the coffee kicks in maybe I'll think of a few more thing
p.s. Coffee is starting to work a little
as for new advertisers - any new program or product needs to be advertising with Oprano, this is where the movers and shakers (so to speak) of the business read. I would dare say the readers of Oprano have the highest per capita income of any Adult industry webmaster chat or resource board
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Originally posted by Broc Lee@May 30 2003, 08:59 AM
Both sites have contact forms to get in touch with me... I hardly ever keep my ICQ on so I would need to know when you would contact me and I wil turn it on.
Talk to you soon....
Contact forms??? Are you fucking kidding me? ROFLMAO
Honey bunches if you're that serious about doing business and networking you'll leave your ICQ on and make yourself available to people.
>>>Talk to you soon....>>>>>
At least you're a confident little shit.
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Originally posted by Vick@May 30 2003, 09:43 AM Sorry I missed out on this conversation yesterday
Being a long time friend of Oprano (as many others are) let me see if I can help out a little
You want more eyes to the site - sarettah was on track - stir shit. Don't be afraid to break eggs to make omelet. Luke Ford (even if you hate him) is always an easy target. Grab some dirt on his doings and gets him and others posting.
Want more posts - ask questions (like Colin does) about interesting topics. Questions require replies and thought exchanges as people have opinions are usually are willing to share their opinions
Also post interesting news articles (like Forest, Serge, MikeAI, myself and a few other do) and ask for other opinions about them and what they would do
Payment 3 weeks over due and John (where's the fucking money) is already on the case ..... act like a collection agency. call morning and evening. Find out why fees haven't been paid, what the problem is and more importantly HOW TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM (have the sponsor send payment, take CC payment or check payment right then when you get them on the phone, if it bounces ..... cat's out of the bag) AND EVEN MORE IMPORTANT COLLECT!
Revenues down 7% - WHY? What has happened to make this drop happen - make the solution and keep it simple KISS
Respectfully I disagree with DV, Oprano doesn't need scripts and so on as most people here have made it in the business and already have what they need or know where to get it
right now it looks like the focus of this thread is on personality and growth of Oprano and maintaining the Oprano Brand (which are all important) but remember Mutt also did the sports pools (he found the software, installed it and maintained it)
Edit - get the Oprano newletter back up and running on a regular basis, Print half the article or info in the email and link back to Oprano for ther rest of the info
Also that is more ad space to sell
after the coffee kicks in maybe I'll think of a few more thing
>>>Controversy sells>>>
To some degree but it's all about balance.
>>>>Respectfully I disagree with DV, Oprano doesn't need scripts and so on as most people here have made it in the business and already have what they need or know where to get it>>>
Here's the thing... for Oprano or any webmaster board to be successful (this is my thinking & opinions) they need a vast market. See previous email about different types of webmasters. Newbies needs scripts & there's a HUGE ass population of closet webmaster running small sites, tpgs and avs's, that promote the sponsors that PAY Oprano to be here. Collectively they make up a huge chunk of traffic. I didn't even realize how big until I started investigating TPG’s and AVS as being an alternate traffic source.
If you’ve been here a while you’ll read between the lines and know that the traffic kings are here. A traffic trading script would be great here, especially if someone worked with the webmasters. That’s just one idea. Team up with a company that already has this tool, offer an Oprano version. Seed the script with sponsor ads. There’s all kinds of scripts these smaller or even mid-size webmasters would use.
As for the newsletter. There are very few I read. There's an art to them.
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Alright Serge,
I've dragged my ass out of bed finally (3 month old babies can make it hard to sleep at night) and I'm ready to go.... Can you answer my last questions?
Andrew
Originally posted by Dianna Vesta@May 30 2003, 07:05 AM >>>Controversy sells>>>
To some degree but it's all about balance.
>>>>Respectfully I disagree with DV, Oprano doesn't need scripts and so on as most people here have made it in the business and already have what they need or know where to get it>>>
Here's the thing... for Oprano or any webmaster board to be successful (this is my thinking & opinions) they need a vast market. See previous email about different types of webmasters. Newbies needs scripts & there's a HUGE ass population of closet webmaster running small sites, tpgs and avs's, that promote the sponsors that PAY Oprano to be here. Collectively they make up a huge chunk of traffic. I didn't even realize how big until I started investigating TPG’s and AVS as being an alternate traffic source.
If you’ve been here a while you’ll read between the lines and know that the traffic kings are here. A traffic trading script would be great here, especially if someone worked with the webmasters. That’s just one idea. Team up with a company that already has this tool, offer an Oprano version. Seed the script with sponsor ads. There’s all kinds of scripts these smaller or even mid-size webmasters would use.
As for the newsletter. There are very few I read. There's an art to them.
I agree with you Diana...
If I want to check out some piss marketing I troll over to GFY and watch Serge fuck with them there. Brilliant way to keep getting that tag line out there in everyones face because you know they are reading it...hell its GFY! Thats what they are there for. The downside of that is do you want to have to wade thru that kind of crap over here as well? Case in point is the influx of those type of posters in this thread. I find myself more at Oprano because Im tired of reading mornic paid posts from Staff members. I mean really -- if you dont have any sites up and running what would motivate an individual to post "IMAKEBEERMONEY.COM converts like crazy?" Do they think everyone is so stupid that no one realizes they havent even had as much as a TGP running since bannerfree.com at C.O.N.D.O.M. ?
The Vast marketing angle is also plausible. Everyone is looking for automation tools -- you can outsource some here for members. My guess is that theres a deal to be struck with some coders where Oprano would get a slice of the action [Signs, Signs, Signs].
And your right ...its not so much as newbies as it is there are people out there quietly running several sites at once under a TGP or AVS umbrella and making serious bucks. A lot of people dont come into forums dick waving just to be "pimpin large." Hell look at Peaches...as far as I know she doesnt have any pay sites!
As far as revenue issues ...I think its become VERY hard to throw up a resource board and get 5K a month for an "identicon" button. Pay Site owners are looking for a ROI as opposed to vanity. However I do agree that a new program would be well served to advertise here. There are several folks here that could throw enough productive traffic at the site to make it very reasonable.
I like the newsletter idea the art of it --at least in my book -- is for me to get that email or 2 a week letting me know whats going on on the board or what I missing out on. And if your giving something away for me just showing up...thats at least good for a look.
The sports pool is a good idea becasue it wraps a lot of those ideas together. People like contests!
Foregoing all of that...the real reason I come over here, is that I can easily check in a few times a day...see if anything of note is going on in the industry, do a little networking, look at what other people are doing and get a little debate action on business related topics.
Thats why I have taken other sites off my freqently visited list.
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You want more advertisers you get more reloads and more posters.
You want more posters you allow more nonsense.
You allow more nonsense and you're figuring that mathematically speaking you will also get more posts that make sense along with the rest and that helps too.
You make advertisers pay in advance and no one ever has a late bill.
Originally posted by *KK*@May 30 2003, 02:15 PM Good thing I'm not in the board business.
You want more advertisers you get more reloads and more posters.
You want more posters you allow more nonsense.
You allow more nonsense and you're figuring that mathematically speaking you will also get more posts that make sense along with the rest and that helps too.
You make advertisers pay in advance and no one ever has a late bill.
KK, when you can start at $1 a year like Lee Iacocca started with Chrysler?
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