Whacha Think? Porn Webmasters Getting Too Mean?

[Mutt]

Ok today I learned another model, this is the second, who will no longer
shoot for Wanton Girls or anybody else connected to the online porn biz.

Why? Because these girls now surf the Internet and they both came across sites that featured them - they were described as things like 'dumb bitches' , 'whores', etc etc This is the webmaster describing them, it upset them.

This is what porn has become now, more and more it's about humiliating these little 18 year old girls. Yes they get naked for pictures and suck cock on video for money but apparently they have feelings too.

Not really sure where I stand on it, I think it's pretty mysogynistic but the girls also have to wake up and realize when you decide that you're going to become a pornstar many people are going to call you a whore. Some of them can't distinguish that they are playing a role in these reality videos, and that webmasters are making up little stories about "the girl sucking cock in the videos" not them personally.

I'm not into this shit at all, I think porn is now all about humiliating people, just like mainstream entertainment is going down the same road.
I remember when porn was just about seeing naked chicks and people having sex. Obviously that doesn't cut it these days.

[Winetalk.com]

Mutt,
you are right...
when Oprano and Billy called me ASSHOLE,
I sulked the whole nite and didn't come to work next morning....

[Nickatilynx]

Mutt I wholeheartedly agree.

Problem is ,as in main stream TV, it is what sells.Therefore I do it.

I guess I am whore.

[Dianna Vesta]

Originally posted by Mutt@Mar 4 2003, 02:13 PM
Ok today I learned another model, this is the second, who will no longer
shoot for Wanton Girls or anybody else connected to the online porn biz.

Why? Because these girls now surf the Internet and they both came across sites that featured them - they were described as things like 'dumb bitches' , 'whores', etc etc This is the webmaster describing them, it upset them.

This is what porn has become now, more and more it's about humiliating these little 18 year old girls. Yes they get naked for pictures and suck cock on video for money but apparently they have feelings too.

Not really sure where I stand on it, I think it's pretty mysogynistic but the girls also have to wake up and realize when you decide that you're going to become a pornstar many people are going to call you a whore. Some of them can't distinguish that they are playing a role in these reality videos, and that webmasters are making up little stories about "the girl sucking cock in the videos" not them personally.

I'm not into this shit at all, I think porn is now all about humiliating people, just like mainstream entertainment is going down the same road.
I remember when porn was just about seeing naked chicks and people having sex. Obviously that doesn't cut it these days.

Let's face it, slowly but surely women will control porn. It started with the internet and it will end with it. Look at the girls who have discovered they were abused and went on to build their own sites? No, they can't compete with mega sites but if you watch what's happening with consumers you'll see that mega sites have exploited the industry so bad that the consumer is heading for safe waters. A New Dawn of amateur will unfold.

PPV I think is going to be even bigger. Girls on cams, etc.

[Nickatilynx]

Let's face it, slowly but surely women will control porn.

ahahahahaha not going to happen.

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Mutt@Mar 4 2003, 03:13 PM
Why? Because these girls now surf the Internet and they both came across sites that featured them - they were described as things like 'dumb bitches' , 'whores', etc etc This is the webmaster describing them, it upset them.

Don't they realize that they're, in essence "acting a part"? Look at mainstream TV - very high paid actresses are being called whores, sluts, bitches, idiots, etc. in movies on TV and on Broadway. I'm not saying it's right, but it's certainly not just porn.

18 is that great age where you might be legally able to sign your name to a contract, but unless you're really intelligent, your head won't be on straight for another 10+ years.

[Mutt]

They don't understand that Peaches, they don't see themselves as playing characters, at least when they shoot the kind of content that is used on websites. They just see themselves on these websites which most of them have no clue they are shooting for at the time and somebody's calling them a crackhead and stuff and they get indignant. Most girls enter porn through the video industry, and to be honest other than the companies doing the real extreme humiliating stuff Extreme Associates and Anabolic, they are treated like little princess pornstars. They've never been featured on a video box cover as the 'stupid little *unt we tricked into fucking us'.

The ironic thing is that the girls who are pissed off are the smarter ones who probably should be able to understand what's going on.
Actually to be fair to them, they do understand, and they've just come to a pretty intelligent decision that it's not worth $500 to do a scene for an Internet company if they're going to be characterized as a crackhead.
The real idiotic crazy ones, they don't give a shit what's said about them or done to them - they've already got the self esteem problems and revel in being a nasty little slut. Porn industry loves those girls, nuttin better than finding one fresh off the bus with a bag full of meds.

why does porn have to be so misogynistic these days? if it takes seeing a girl choke and vomit on a dick to get this next generation of young dudes off i say that's pretty sick.

[cj]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Mar 4 2003, 02:47 PM

ahahahahaha not going to happen.

Nick, sweetie, sorry to break it to you, but we already do

[Carrie]

Men control the porn industry about as much as they control getting laid(with a female - not five-fingered Mary). :P

Where would you guys all be without women willing to get in front of the camera?

Mutt - maybe when you initially interview a new model, you might let her know up front that she is playing a role, fulfilling a fantasy, and different webmasters will look at her photographs and make up their own stories about what's going on in order to keep their surfers happy. If you've got a "cooling off" period where the girl goes home for a day or two before committing to a shoot, you might encourage her to surf some porn sites and see how her photos will be used.
At least then you'll know that the ones who come in for the shoot are fully aware and are less likely to throw a hissy fit and quit. (Although in the same vein, it will probably cut down on the number of girls who come back.)

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Mutt@Mar 4 2003, 05:58 PM
if it takes seeing a girl choke and vomit on a dick to get this next generation of young dudes off i say that's pretty sick.

OMG I guess I haven't been paying attention and didn't realize we were at that level

[RawAlex]

Here is an interesting twist on all of this though... if you are shooting for a "reality" site, and you make it clear to the public in your promotion that the site is "all real" or "real people fucking in public", then you take a person and portray them as something they aren't, isn't there a chance that the public would be misinformed about the person?

We don't work with scripts, for the most part - and often the girls have no idea what is up until either the middle of the scene (bad) or after it is edited together with unrelated tape (such as scenes of a crack house, other characters making jokes about picking up a crackwhore, maybe the video being using in "Crackwhores Fucking for Money.com" - all without the model knowing what the end product will really be.

Yup, you have a model release, and those seem to hold pretty good, but I am not 100% sure that every court would feel the same, ya know?

Not real sure, at all.

Alex

[Opti]

I bet plenty of non porn models would have experienced their images being used in some way they don't personally like..

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Carrie@Mar 4 2003, 05:11 PM

Where would you guys all be without women willing to get in front of the camera?

I am doing quite well without them, thank you very much
;-))

[Nickatilynx]

Nick, sweetie, sorry to break it to you, but we already do

Thats what KA says lol !!!!

[Mike AI]

Peaches you are right.... the girls have to understand they are playing a role. Do I think Pamala Anderson was a lifeguard? OR a secret agent who solves all the world problems?

I have dealt with this a lot with the girls I shoot. I purposely build a fictitious name, and whole character... it protects them. But they sometimes call me up and complain how they are portrayed.

Unless you are building your own site, or its being built around you - you are a character - get over it.

As far as degredation and such in reality - there has always been things like that - and will always be. It is getting worse... but we have to deliver what the public wants. Everytime mainstream go hard, we have to go harder....

Mutt, I would tell the 2 girls to get over it.... 2 girls out of the thoussands that are shooting porn everyday? haha they will just lose out on $$$.

Being called a slut, or whore, or stupid - I mean come on - grow up.

Stick and Stones will break your bones, but names will never hurt you....

[Winetalk.com]

if I took to heart every insult I got on the boards,
I'd join Jackie Barley in mental hospital...

gee,
some people should learn how to separate the cyber worl\d from reality!
;-)))

[T-Rav]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Mar 4 2003, 06:52 PM
if I took to heart every insult I got on the boards,
I'd join Jackie Barley in mental hospital...

gee,
some people should learn how to separate the cyber worl\d from reality!
;-)))

well said...

goat fucker ) well, on second thought you probably don't consider that an insult...

[Dianna Vesta]

Like I always said... It takes one pussy hair to pull battle ships across the dessert.

[Carrie]

"The face that launched a thousand ships..."

Serge, I can see you've read the optional "How not to dig yourself a hole" marriage handbook thoroughly, LOL

[Mutt]

where is ol' GooeyCandy these days? which board is she haunting now?

[T-Rav]

Originally posted by Carrie@Mar 4 2003, 07:42 PM
"The face that launched a thousand ships..."

Serge, I can see you've read the optional "How not to dig yourself a hole" marriage handbook thoroughly, LOL

holy shit...until carrie posted that i didn't even realize how that could be taken out of context.

obviously no disrespect intended

i hope it wasn't taken that way...

i definitely need a beer.

[cj]

she's a smart lady ;-)

:P

[JerryW]

One of our customers wanted the "trash women" Bangbus style of "reality" porn, but PhotoGregg and I don't like to shoot that at all. We pretty much ignored the request and shot our usual style for the site and the site is one of the top converting sites for the customer. So I know you don't have to call women crack whores or such to sell porn on the Internet, even today.

[Peaches]

Originally posted by JerryW@Mar 4 2003, 11:00 PM
One of our customers wanted the "trash women" Bangbus style of "reality" porn, but PhotoGregg and I don't like to shoot that at all. We pretty much ignored the request and shot our usual style for the site and the site is one of the top converting sites for the customer. So I know you don't have to call women crack whores or such to sell porn on the Internet, even today.

Your shoots and sites seem to focus on "fun" instead of abuse.

[*KK*]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Mar 4 2003, 11:47 AM

ahahahahaha not going to happen.

Oh boy, and I'm headed to Vancouver on Thursday

Forgive me for betraying my gender but for Chrissakes if these girls cannot LOOK at the sites and see the situation for what it is then maybe we should be handing out IQ tests prior to getting the sigs on the model releases.

No, it's not always a nice portrayal, but you know what? These girls are for the most part not shooting erotica but hardcore porn.

As RB said to me in a conversation one day... "you stick a cucumber up there and someone takes a picture, what do you THINK people are going to say about it?"...

And I'm sure some of you will remember the internet this was a topic.

[Carrie]

Originally posted by T-Rav+Mar 4 2003, 07:48 PM-->