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Cool on the name! That movie has been recommended to me but I've never had the opportunity to watch it
If you look at the amount of players in the NFL (about 1,500 at any given time) to the amount of arrests (don't have solid figures on the past year) plus media exposure is seems to be more than the average population
Question remains is that because the game draws violent performers (or the performers may turn violent after years of intense training) or do the performers feel they are above the law?
Does the fact that Greg Lloyd was a pro football player have anything to do with his shoving a gun in his child's mouth? Most likely not but who knows
Is how Greg Lloyd is treated and how he acts after the arrest effected by the fact he is a former all pro NFL player - yep
If the glove does not fit - you must acquit
Ray Lewis, OJ and other Pro Football players get the best justice ......
.... money (and notoriety) can buy
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Originally posted by Amberlita@Mar 23 2004, 10:20 AM And regarding the punk father that put a gun in his son's mouth - WTF?!! People should have to pass an IQ test, and parenting test, before they're allowed to have children.
I agree with you 100% - just look at all the hoops people have to jump through to prove that they are "worthy" for adoption, but there are no tests or requirements for some of these assholes to have children.
Sickest thing I ever saw... my parents were foster parents when I was a kid - we had new children living in our house almost every week. Sometimes they stay a little longer than others and you get attached. One little girl's parents both lost custody several times because it had been proven they were molesting/beating the little girl - but the state kept giving her back to them. The last time we saw her she cried, kicked and held on to the door jam when the social worker took her from our home back to her parents... I'll never forget that look on her face, I was 8 years old - she was about 5... we learned months later that they had finally killed her... the parents were in and out of jail and got their other children returned to them almost right away.
People like this - and this father who stuck a gun in his son's mouth - just make me sick.
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Originally posted by cj@Mar 23 2004, 05:53 PM BUT ... do you think that someone who has a history of using a gun inappropriately (even once) should continue to have freedom to keep a gun?
I may be wrong on this, but IIRC, in GA if you have been convicted of domestic violence, you CAN'T own a gun. However, as it is sometimes hard for others to understand, laws aren't always obeyed. That is one of the reasons most people in the US feel the current gun laws are fine - they just need to be enforced.
The sole fact that athletes, rich people, and actors/actresses are famous is not what keeps them free after committing crimes, it's the fact that they have money to either win or keep them out of jail. They pay out their ass for great lawyers plus I'm sure there is a little money in it for the court system if they are not convicted, or not sentenced to jail. The reason that we hear more about these crimes than the ones committed by lesser individuals is because of the media. They know that they will get more viewers if they have knews on someone famous. If you live in a small town, you will hear about these lesser individuals committing these crimes, plus the famous people as well. In cities such as New York, Atlanta, or even Los Angeles, the media is not as worried about the infamous criminals because of the population. There are too many people committing too many crimes to keep up with it, so they look for the ones that people want to hear about.
That is my two cents.
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Originally posted by cj@Mar 23 2004, 09:12 PM ct, can you name 5 actors off the top of your head who have been in murder/rape/violence against women cases?
what about 5 musicians?
what about 5 sports stars?
Sports stars: O.J., Jason Williams, Ray Carruth, Kobe Bryant, and Ray Lewis.
You got me on actors and musicians, but I also follow A LOT of sports news.
Edit: Ray Lewis wasn't against a woman, my mistake, didn't read it thoroughly at first.
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sports stars was easy compared to actors and musicians huh?
wonder if thats because more sports people commit violent crimes than actors & musicians?
we aren't comparing normal people to celebrities here, we are comparing sports people to other celebrities so you can't use the argument that one gets more publicity than the other.
you can bet your last dollar that if brad pitt tripped, punched, raped or killed someone you'd know about it!
Originally posted by cj@Mar 23 2004, 09:30 PM sports stars was easy compared to actors and musicians huh?
wonder if thats because more sports people commit violent crimes than actors & musicians?
we aren't comparing normal people to celebrities here, we are comparing sports people to other celebrities so you can't use the argument that one gets more publicity than the other.
you can bet your last dollar that if brad pitt tripped, punched, raped or killed someone you'd know about it!
Sports stars was easy because I follow sports stories way more than I do actors and musicians. I don't read the newspaper often, except for a few times at work, and when I do it's either business or sports. I also don't watch much TV that has commercials or news.
However, I do see your arguement in that sports stars commit more crimes than actors and musicians, but then again, we also pay more to watch sports than we do actors or listen to musicians. Look at the salaries of sports players compared to that of actors and musicians.
Another point that I will make is that sports stars also take more "drugs" because it enhances their ability to perform. Actors and musicians do not partake because it does not enhance their abilities to excel. Athletes take them to try to be better than the next person. Many times these "drugs" change the chemical inbalance therefore causing them to get angry often or even get angrier when they do get angry. I am not blaming it just on the "drugs", I feel athletes have an inferiority complex which does not help in any situation. They need to feel bigger than everyone else, try to show that they are the boss, I.E. beating their wife or shoving a gun in their sons' mouth.
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Originally posted by clemsontiger@Mar 23 2004, 09:47 PM Another point that I will make is that sports stars also take more "drugs" because it enhances their ability to perform. Actors and musicians do not partake because it does not enhance their abilities to excel. Athletes take them to try to be better than the next person. Many times these "drugs" change the chemical inbalance therefore causing them to get angry often or even get angrier when they do get angry.
1) we pay more to watch sport?! really?! what about when 1 single movie clears 100 million in the first weekend ... does sport REALLY make more? if so, i'm shocked ....
2) musicians and actors take shitloads of drugs and get angry and psycho. coke is the best example i can think of ...
Originally posted by cj@Mar 23 2004, 09:54 PM 1) we pay more to watch sport?! really?! what about when 1 single movie clears 100 million in the first weekend ... does sport REALLY make more? if so, i'm shocked ....
The actors do not get that money, the director(s) and producer(s) do. Actors are paid a set sum which they receive before the movie is out in theatres, once they get that and the movie is finished being made, that is done. They do get money for appearing on shows and such from cause of the movie, but that is not salary.
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Originally posted by clemsontiger@Mar 23 2004, 05:07 PM I am going to say something in this:
The sole fact that athletes, rich people, and actors/actresses are famous is not what keeps them free after committing crimes, it's the fact that they have money to either win or keep them out of jail. They pay out their ass for great lawyers plus I'm sure there is a little money in it for the court system if they are not convicted, or not sentenced to jail. The reason that we hear more about these crimes than the ones committed by lesser individuals is because of the media. They know that they will get more viewers if they have knews on someone famous. If you live in a small town, you will hear about these lesser individuals committing these crimes, plus the famous people as well. In cities such as New York, Atlanta, or even Los Angeles, the media is not as worried about the infamous criminals because of the population. There are too many people committing too many crimes to keep up with it, so they look for the ones that people want to hear about.
That is my two cents.
Exactly. Can you imagine how many people would sit glued to Fox News if they gave some alleged rapist as much air time as they have given to Kobe Bryant? Nobody. Fucking nobody.
Originally posted by clemsontiger@Mar 23 2004, 09:04 PM Snipers in Maryland.
Heck they brought that kid in for sentencing just last week or so and it barely got a mention - and the trial is happening right here in my town not 3 miles from me straight as the crow flies.
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