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i sell dildos...and unless straight men started shoving dildos up inside them lately, it doesn't really pertain to them
and I have some shit planned on the boards, and instead of targetting gfy cause it has the most members, i would like to target some other boards that have more quality members
Originally posted by Peaches@Jul 13 2005, 06:40 AM Just an FYI, every purchased dildo/Vibrator I own has been bought for me by a straight guy - don't leave them out of your marketing.
Good point Peaches. Jace, I'd be happy to talk advertising with ya.
Jace...your "target market" is really going to be everybody: women buying for themselves or other women; straight guys buying for women; couples buying for themselves; gay guys buying for themselves or other gay guys; gay couples buying for themselves. That doesn't leave out anybody, really.
A lot of women want toys but are either shy about purchasing, or so shy they can't even bring the subject up, which is why marketing to straight guys to buy gifts for their ladies will be very important. Unfortunately, we still live in a society where men know more about their sexuality and what they want then women do. A very nicely designed "couples site" might do very good business indeed.
you all act as thought I haven't been doing this for 3 years now
all we have been doing for the past 3 years is promoting our product just as anyone would promote a sex toy...we are now branching out specifically to the gay market and female market
the majority of our sales are guys, so I know that guys buy dildos for girls....duh
i am just working different angles
instead of trying to teach me about business, which I already know, why not just answer my question?
sorry, didn't mean to sound like an asshole....but instead of answering or giving me a roll call, you all preach
as for advertising on oprano...we have quickly discovered that 98% of the people out there have NO clue how to sell a glass dildo...we have over 100 active affiliates sending traffic, and only 2 of them are making sales. glass dildos can't be sold the normal ways people sell other shit, and with normal traffic, we have tried.
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Originally posted by JaceXXX@Jul 13 2005, 08:42 PM oi vey
you all act as thought I haven't been doing this for 3 years now
all we have been doing for the past 3 years is promoting our product just as anyone would promote a sex toy...we are now branching out specifically to the gay market and female market
the majority of our sales are guys, so I know that guys buy dildos for girls....duh
i am just working different angles
instead of trying to teach me about business, which I already know, why not just answer my question?
sorry, didn't mean to sound like an asshole....but instead of answering or giving me a roll call, you all preach
as for advertising on oprano...we have quickly discovered that 98% of the people out there have NO clue how to sell a glass dildo...we have over 100 active affiliates sending traffic, and only 2 of them are making sales. glass dildos can't be sold the normal ways people sell other shit, and with normal traffic, we have tried.
i am rambling, i just woke up...sorry
A tad cunty there arn't we
What's wrong, roll over in the middle of the night and get a hole fulla glass
Originally posted by Trev@Jul 13 2005, 03:02 PM Just messin' with ya
Though I'd would like to hear how 98% of the people pushing your wares are messing up so bad that you only have 2 affils sending sales
no clue man...
from what I can tell, they are using tgp's and shitty traffic sites....
glass dildos are usually are sold to a clientle with a little more money than others...cause of the price
but to be honest, i have no clue
i gave up on trying to get affiliates, i am just out for sales now
hell, I make more sales from boards when people just buy shit from the site...hell, if you tell me you are going to buy something and you are an adult webmaster I will cut you a nice deal, but people don't care they buy shit anyway
Originally posted by Trev@Jul 13 2005, 03:02 PM Though I'd would like to hear how 98% of the people pushing your wares are messing up so bad that you only have 2 affils sending sales
Id imagine it was because they were targeting the 'regular' porn surfer instead of the high class porn surfers.
Things with a higher price tag usually need a lengthier sales approach to just using 'click here to buy glass dildos' LOL
There is a lot of pre-selling required, listing the benefits of a high ticket product over inferior priced products, quality, design, etc etc all need to be gone in to unless you have a solid source of traffic that IS looking for glass dildos or a sex store with existing traffic levels
Originally posted by JaceXXX@Jul 13 2005, 05:21 PM i gave up on trying to get affiliates
To be fair, if you had any business sense you would be going after new affiliates that have existing traffic that you could utilize.
There are plenty of sponsors that have dildo related paysites, if you thought about those programs for a little while you may realize how they could be of benefit to you.
You are implying that the two affiliates you do have are there because they can sell, due to their sales and marketing ability, and not through you or your companies ability to market these effectively?
Ruling out the entire affiliate revenue source is a potential mistake, you should be giving them the desire, the motivation and the support to enable them to push these products to the fore. Not just bitching about them being in moms basement and unable to sell.
Originally posted by JaceXXX@Jul 13 2005, 02:42 PM as for advertising on oprano...we have quickly discovered that 98% of the people out there have NO clue how to sell a glass dildo...we have over 100 active affiliates sending traffic, and only 2 of them are making sales. glass dildos can't be sold the normal ways people sell other shit, and with normal traffic, we have tried.
hmmm...
seems to me that if 100 active affiliates are "sending traffic" then they are doing their part. The affiliates job is to get the traffic to you. Once they are at your site, it is your job to sell the product.
I have to add an observation here from the side as well. A lot of program owners are fed up with the greedy affiliate model. And if you look at it you can see why.... now if you run a program you are asked to provide everything parties...,content etc etc before an affiliate will send you traffic.
Observe Lightspeed not accepting new affiliates recently. A very smart move on his part in the long run.
The affiliate marketing model is also going thru some changes as well. And I think in the long run it will be of benefit to us all.
The business has stagnated in terms of innovation for the last several years. Its only natural you see people trying different things. This BTW also includes Oprano. If you havent noticed.... Newton has been trying a few new things and by the end of the week the stage will be set to see what the next chapter holds for the board.
Somethings work. Some dont. Only thru chaos do you effect any change.
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wow, you all have managed to turn me trying to give some product away for fun into a nice little debate about how we do business and what decisions we have made
1st off, right now our goal is not to gain new affiliates, we are basing our business not from an affiliate model, but from a raw sales model. If you don't like that and it upsets you all (obviously), i apologize. If you think you can sell our shit, and have advice for us, and want to work with us, hit me up, I will work with anyone for a set amount of time to see if things do work...I am ALWAYS willing to work for sales, I alwaus have been, and always will be
2nd, I work at least 14 hours a day on my site. I stopped promoting everything else approx 1 month ago and went full time with my own company, because in the long run it is going to be a better business decision than depending on others.
3rd, while you all just see a silly little site, we have been working our asses off chasing companies that want to purchase wholesale, and us also setting up non-internet shops with our products. You will soon see our displays in local Atlanta shops, along with many other southeastern companies shops. I have chatted with other larger glass dildo suppliers, and fact remains the main amount of sales for these come from face to face meeting with the dildos, not from online sales.
I am a salesman, and it is my job to find the largest and most profitable audience for my product, and unfortunately it doesn't come from someone else selling my product for me over the internet, when a customer comes and wants to spend $150 on one of our pieces, it is usually in a shop where they can touch and feel it, not on the internet where the pictures look pretty....and while I would LOVE to change that, that is just how it goes.
seriosuly though, if ANYONE on this board thinks they can sell these things online better, and wants me to change my site to do so (more than I already have in the past 10 time these 3 months) hit me up and lets talk, i am ALL EARS
Originally posted by Trev+Jul 13 2005, 02:40 PM-->
QUOTE (Trev @ Jul 13 2005, 02:40 PM)
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Originally posted by JaceXXX@Jul 14 2005, 11:25 AM wow, you all have managed to turn me trying to give some product away for fun into a nice little debate about how we do business and what decisions we have made
ummm... Welcome to Oprano ???
But, you didn't address my point. I did not question your business methods, or your business decisions, or you business model.
I DID question your comments about the affiliates not being able to sell theproduct and as I stated, it seems to me that if the affiliates are getting the traffic to your site then they are doing their job. The selling of the actual product, once the affiliate has gotten the surfer to your site is up to the site, not the affiliate.
Yes, affiliates can filter their traffic better perhaps, but all in all the sales job begins with the affiliates but it is up to the site to close the deal (imho).
Originally posted by JaceXXX@Jul 14 2005, 08:25 AM seriosuly though, if ANYONE on this board thinks they can sell these things online better, and wants me to change my site to do so (more than I already have in the past 10 time these 3 months) hit me up and lets talk, i am ALL EARS
Quite honestly, if i were going to buy one of those i wouldnt do it from your site.
Without meaning to rip you up, the site looks like crap.
A high priced tickt product should have a high quality looking site to sell from, right now, the site looks like something my 13 yr old neice could throw together in about 15 minutes.
You might want to speak to Sharky or Todd about getting them to give your site a proper design, who knows, you might just make some more sales with a better looking design
Also, you said you were a salesman yet, i see nothing on the site which qualifies the potential customer, nothing that tells them the benefits of buying one of your $80+ glass dildos over inferior $10 ones.
I actually agree with Lee... I was just going to post something similar.
and coming from a consumer perspective... its a little text heavy and not really easy to navigate... for example... what exactly is a raked color category? most people looking for just something to spice up their lives don't know shit about toys... they just buy what they see and like... at least in my opinion.
And also, I think Lee has a point when he asks "why should I spend 150 bucks on a dildo when i can buy one for 30?"
Keep in mind that this is coming from a consumer perspective, so take what you will from it.
And while you do have a pyrex faq to inform people its a small link down at the bottom. I would think that the front page would be all about marketing it... this is why its better than any other... etc etc...
"handcrafting and extensive attention to detail. Then the annealing process, which strengthens the glass toy, takes 24 hours or more to heat and cool down. In Pyrex dildos, as with anything "you get what you pay for" and with Ecstasy Glass you get simply the best. "
lines like that should be very visible and obvious to everyone looking... not just the ones that are considering it.. when you make a point of saying they're handcrafted and that you all take great pride in your work (as i'm sure you do) then that automatically bumps up the perceived value in the eyes of the customer... all of a sudden they're going to be willing to pay more for a product...
sorry if this is obvious stuff and i'm sure it is... but like i said.. that's what i would like to see as a consumer... especially when i see a prestige pricing strategy... you need to show WHY they're prestigious
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Originally posted by sarettah@Jul 14 2005, 09:27 AM But, you didn't address my point. I did not question your business methods, or your business decisions, or you business model.
I DID question your comments about the affiliates not being able to sell theproduct and as I stated, it seems to me that if the affiliates are getting the traffic to your site then they are doing their job. The selling of the actual product, once the affiliate has gotten the surfer to your site is up to the site, not the affiliate.
Yes, affiliates can filter their traffic better perhaps, but all in all the sales job begins with the affiliates but it is up to the site to close the deal (imho).
(again) Or am I missing something here ?
yes, you are 100% correct....it is ultimately up to the end site to close the deal
but by your statement, if Joe Blow sends me 5000 hits of tgp traffic looking for naked chicks, then I should have been able to sell those people my high end glass dildos? that is what is happening, and why most of our affiliates aren't making sales, cause they don't want to take the time to market us better and they are sending us the wrong targetted traffic
and yes, i could spend so more time getting our site looking better, and there has actually been a few nice ideas in here that I am going to workin on tonight (thanks guys and gals)...but in the end it doesn't change my way of thinking, that glass dildos are always going to be marketed better in person and in a display rather than on the internet
which is why strive to 1. pick up new shops, 2. go to fan conventions and 3. sell in person almost 80% of the time
but really I do kind of agree that a dildo would be something like clothes.. harder to sell online... cause people like to see and touch them ... rather than look at pictures of them
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I am a Sado-Machiavellian. As long as I cum in the end... It doesn't matter what I did to get there. :yowsa:
I just made that term up.... pretty good eh?
You have to have sex with, and build relationships with, a person of the same gender as yourself in order to be gay. Really. It's in the bylaws and everything.
And Jace? Uh...I'm still female! (If you have the strength to scroll back far enough, you'll find I eventually *did* get the point of your original post and answered it correctly!)
Oh, and sense everybody is tossing in their...whatevers...I'll toss in mine. When the first "glass dildo" post was up...I kept on keeping on. Didn't even click on it. I thought "glass????" and "delicate areas" and moderately freaked. (Hush up all of you, I don't get out much and don't know a lot of things.) Then once you described the process and the end result, I thought "hmmmm...that sounds interesting, indeed." Then went on to "oh, how lovely!" I can see how actually holding one and examining it would be so much easier for me to make a purchase...or for my husband to make one as a gift for me.
Once I get done with a few projects, I want to see how well they'd work on my erotica site. Erotica surfers are a different breed of surfer.
Originally posted by MorganGrayson@Jul 14 2005, 03:26 PM Once I get done with a few projects, I want to see how well they'd work on my erotica site. Erotica surfers are a different breed of surfer.
let me know when you do that, i will send you one to review on the site...when peopel review our products they seem to sell better
Originally posted by MorganGrayson@Jul 14 2005, 07:26 PM Oh, and sense everybody is tossing in their...whatevers...I'll toss in mine. When the first "glass dildo" post was up...I kept on keeping on. Didn't even click on it. I thought "glass????" and "delicate areas" and moderately freaked.
My brain gets blocked thinking of all those Pyrex pie plates, casserole dishes, etc that I've broken over the years. They shatter into little bitty pieces......
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