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I figure some of the oldtimers, will have some valuable tidbits of info to add to this as it grows.
Whats the big deal? huge workload and the whole industry will need to be creative to follow rules.
I made a suggestion..just a few quick ideas...not sure if it is even feasible though..
feedback appreciated
is there room for a centralized 2257 reporting office..basically where everyone hs to register all their content..and it can serve as the liason....basically a way to keep info private and also keep records in one place
just off the top of my head..but i also suggested this last year when this first came up...
could run like an affiliate program basically, to publish porn online you will need to be a member, if you have anything to do with the USA anyway. Records of all content can be kept, affiliates using the content would need to sign for it or have some sort of identifier, another affiliate code perhaps...automated system would store and keep track of everything needed. This would probably create jobs as well, as to cover the whole industry, you'd need a few employees im sure.l. And perhaps yet another "Legit" buffer between the government and it's direct meddling in online commerce. We need more representation.
here is a brief synopsis of the new regulations, before they passed...it is an easy read..point form
having the records online at a centralized location goes against their wish that the secondary producers(webmasters) need to have the documents on hand...i think an argument can be made to refine the procedures....Membership must be granted or you wont see stats, can't get paid, not in the circle basically
this is just a starting point, but if we don't offer up solutions now, it will be too late.
im guessing it wil be up to the lawyers to make our objections and suggestions heard. However isn't there some other way to reach the people who hold the power?
here is a brief synopsis of the new regulations, before they passed...it is an easy read..point form
having the records online at a centralized location goes against their wish that the secondary producers(webmasters) need to have the documents on hand...i think an argument can be made to refine the procedures....Membership must be granted or you wont see stats, can't get paid, not in the circle basically
this is just a starting point, but if we don't offer up solutions now, it will be too late.
im guessing it wil be up to the lawyers to make our objections and suggestions heard. However isn't there some other way to reach the people who hold the power?
Idea time..this is sounding like a union damn it
Yes, that is the proposed regs and they have been discussed ad nauseum, so imho, further discussion is not required until we see what they really are.
As to your idea, I had the same idea back the day the new proposed regs were issued, even mapped out a full strategy on it.
Bought 4 domains to use for implementation, designed a database for housing of info, devised a way to get the info into the hands of the people that need it to satisfy the requirements of records being kept on site the whole schmear.
Noone seemed interested.
Anyway, I pointed my dns away from the stuff I had about a month ago, I just changed it back to point at the site so when dns rolls fully around it can be accessed at http://www.2257ez.com
Originally posted by Phoenix@May 19 2005, 09:41 AM the idea needs a voice..and it has to be explained in great detail why it is a better system with less chance for error.
it is easy to keep a link that holds you to the central 2257 office
You can't fight city hall.
So a better implementation is a central holding facility where individuals get permission from prodcers to download the info the need in a format that satisfies the feds for their recordkeeping requirements.
Sarettah, great idea! Too bad it's diametrically opposed to what the law says you're supposed to do. You can have all the centralized off-location maintained by whoever 2257 services you want. But the fact remains that producers must have their docs in possession and organized according to the regulation. And whether or not the law requires it, secondary producers would be smart to do the exact same thing.
If you (not you personally, just a figurative you) can't follow the regs, why even take on the risk of being in this business?
Originally posted by Nickatilynx@May 19 2005, 07:06 AM How does it affewct you if you are based in Canada.
Or if you are based in Europe?
Just an example off the top of my head... content producer in Canada has shaky documentation, secondary producer in US buys license. US producer gets in trouble due to shaky documentation, that opens up Canadian content producer to civil suit from US secondary producer.
It's not DIRECTLY connected to the 2257 regulation, just the "trickle down" effect.
Originally posted by Phoenix@May 19 2005, 07:15 AM Well...the only way it will work is if we can get a voice on the same platform, who can lobby for us.
Working together with the legislation makers to construct some regulations that make sense and which are easily compliable.
Ah, the sweet sound of wishful thinking. You haven't been in America very long, have you?
Originally posted by Nickatilynx@May 19 2005, 07:16 AM Simple solution...
Everyone move offshore
You need to be more explicit for people, Nick. Don't just tell them to "move offshore" because they'll think "oh, I just need to host outside the U.S." That doesn't cut it, you're still a U.S. citizen who has to comply with U.S. laws. You'd have to physically move your FFN ass out of the country and renounce citizenship.
we will obviously have to comply..i expect the new law to be made public shortly
my point is..if we had a voice, we could monitor and influence regulations.
not everyone wants to pass a useless law
im going to stop worrying until i see the new bill...and then find out what steps we can take to to put the new law off while a better solution is found..it is that interim part that we have to find a way to control
jerry springer..howard stern..anyone who will put us on..we need attention
we are not monsters, we are advertisers and publishers
Originally posted by Phoenix@May 19 2005, 07:43 AM we will obviously have to comply..i expect the new law to be made public shortly
my point is..if we had a voice, we could monitor and influence regulations.
not everyone wants to pass a useless law
im going to stop worrying until i see the new bill...and then find out what steps we can take to to put the new law off while a better solution is found..it is that interim part that we have to find a way to control
jerry springer..howard stern..anyone who will put us on..we need attention
we are not monsters, we are advertisers and publishers
ahahahahahahhahahahahahahaha
Oh for fucks sake...
I have heard this at least 20 times since 1996/97.
Andy Edmonds was gonna get lobbyists etrc etc etc...
Wake the fuck up , mate.
We are fucking pornographers.
To most people we rank just above drug dealers.
And frankly a high number of content producers I wouldn't have in my house!!
Shit.....
throw in some sleezes , a bunch of fucking surfers trying to get rich quick on GFY without a pot to piss in nor anywhere to throw it ,..ahahahahahahaha
We aren't an Industry , we a loose collection of pervs , shut ins and opportunists LOL
Originally posted by ThrobX@May 19 2005, 10:09 AM Sarettah, great idea! Too bad it's diametrically opposed to what the law says you're supposed to do. You can have all the centralized off-location maintained by whoever 2257 services you want. But the fact remains that producers must have their docs in possession and organized according to the regulation. And whether or not the law requires it, secondary producers would be smart to do the exact same thing.
If you (not you personally, just a figurative you) can't follow the regs, why even take on the risk of being in this business?
Thats what my idea would (have) accomplished.
The concept was to collect all the data centrally then allow the secondary producers (from any realm) grab the docs they need and store them digitally locally.
Which would satisfy the record keeping requirements for each individual producer/publisher and at the same time provide a more detailed paper trail of exactly who is who and what is what.
Originally posted by Phoenix@May 19 2005, 07:43 AM we will obviously have to comply..i expect the new law to be made public shortly
my point is..if we had a voice, we could monitor and influence regulations.
not everyone wants to pass a useless law
im going to stop worrying until i see the new bill...and then find out what steps we can take to to put the new law off while a better solution is found..it is that interim part that we have to find a way to control
jerry springer..howard stern..anyone who will put us on..we need attention
we are not monsters, we are advertisers and publishers
You should try herding some cats, while you're at it.
Everything Nick said is true. People (even most of those who LIKE what we do) don't look at us as upstanding businesspeople. Just get used to that. Show up and testify in front of Congress all you want, you'll still get the "uh-huh, yeah, ok" response.
Because you live in the U.S., you have to comply with U.S. law. And laws dealing with the adult industry will always be intentionally vague and will leave plenty of leeway for prosecution. Best bet is to read the law, have your attorney read the law (you have an attorney on retainer, right?), read the law again, and work out a strategy that overcomplies with the law as it is written.
Originally posted by Nickatilynx@May 19 2005, 11:42 AM Then there was some webmaster that stalked a model on cam chat , I believe Aga ended up banning them from Netpond.
Some real sleeze...
Can't remember who it was though...
Are you talking about when I got pissed off at that Jasonandalex webmaster support moron who kept trying to get my cam girls to do shoot "Movies" with him?
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Originally posted by Sabby@May 19 2005, 08:40 AM If someone really wants to find out a model's personal details (or anyone elses for that matter) its probably not that difficult - 2257 or no 2257.
The model releases and ids and such would be kept secure and a content producer would have to provide a client with a special password to get to them.
The info that would be available to all would be the list of all aliases, the list of all media that the model appeared on, the list of all others who appeared with him/her, the list of producers that the model had worked with.
All the papertrail other than the ids and releases.
If you don't have ID and signed model release, then you really don't have paperwork.
The model security problem with your idea really rests in that it forces the content producer to determine whether or not the person buying the license is legitimate or not. Let's face it, it ain't that hard to buy a domain, go to a webmaster resource site, find a content producer, and tell them you're buying content for a site that is under construction.
Take your average adult webmaster tradeshow attendee, pluck them from that environment and put them into the general public on the sidewalk. Would you trust them? That's kinda iffy, if you ask me.
Originally posted by ThrobX@May 19 2005, 12:35 PM The model security problem with your idea really rests in that it forces the content producer to determine whether or not the person buying the license is legitimate or not. Let's face it, it ain't that hard to buy a domain, go to a webmaster resource site, find a content producer, and tell them you're buying content for a site that is under construction.
And even if they ARE using the content and building sites does not mean they are not a freak either.
That was my whole point.
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Originally posted by Vick@May 19 2005, 09:50 AM Almost every content producer I am currently buying from is providing pic ID and a copy of the model release with every set
True. Re-reading my post, I realize I misstated my point. The problem I see with a centralized database, while it has a ton of advantages, is that a webmaster (legit or not) could end up with access to model IDs from content that they HAVEN'T purchased. Way too tempting for some people who teeter on the edge of weirdness.
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