Fuck all US Webmaster Conferences!

[Nickatilynx]

With all the lawsuits on spammers , etc etc...

I really think the next conference should be here in Canada or down in OZ.

Seriously...





;-))

[JoesHO]

Panama, and the philipines would both be good options too.

[sarettah]

May I suggest perhaps a more tolerant country ? Like maybe Pakistan or Saudi Arabia ?

[Raven]

My vote is Vancouver, B.C. *hint!* *hint!*

[aeon]

Screw that - make it Eastern Europe...you get a few people willing and I'll help organize it for the hell of it (no bullshit). Moscow & St. Petersburg would rock - think of the fun a bunch of smut slingers could have aside from the actual sight seeing.

The vodka, hookers, and emails would flow like there's no tomorrow. A bunch of porn peddlers hanging out at the Kremlin and Kolomenskoye are fuckin' Kodak moments just waiting to happen.

[Titan]

moscow is somewhere i would definetly love to see so an excuse to go would be a good thing

anywhere in europe would do me though to be honest

[JoesHO]

How are the shows that are currently in Europe? do they have good US turnout?

[BillPMB]

I vote for Amsterdam!

[Peaches]

Let's have one in Japan so I can expense a trip to visit CT

[JimB]

I am kind of with you Nick. But, I am more of an anti-AVN sponsored event type of guy. I won't go to another of their shows until their locations and dates are swapped. I know it will never happen but if attendance keeps decreasing, they may not have a choice. More money to display and attend with less people going just doesn't work out right. Remember Florda in October??? Much better than a visit to the Sixth Gate of Hell in August.

Ehh, screw it...they won't change.

[invasion]

I am with you guys but who is going to cover the costs

Its easy to say it but that will exclude alot of webmasters - even the small time ones from going to them

Why don't you sponsor them to fly there say about 25 or so and give it away on the boards

full flight, room and board and passes?

[Nickatilynx]

Its easy to say it but that will exclude alot of webmasters - even the small time ones from going to them

Excellent.

We filter traffic , its about time the Adult Industry started filtering fucking webmasters.

[Evil Chris]

I still say one should be done in St. Johns, Newfoundland.

[Anthony]

Back pre 2000, someone told me, I can't remember who it was, that the Adult Web was the Wild Wild West. WWW get it?

However, as with all things, corporations will take over, and lawyers become the gunslingers.

Back then, the small webmaster meant something, they could become the next big guy with traffic.

Sadly, I doubt that could happen to day. Our industry is filled with TGP gallery makers, and clueless morons who think a high post count matters where it counts the most, the check book. Good webmastes are getting harder and harder to find, they are out there, but are few and far between.

I don't see any reason to sponsor anyone to go to any trip to a convention. Just going to a convention is a filter of sorts. If you can't get to one, you really should think about a career change.

What I am seeing now are webmasters that are specializing and make a very good living out of it. With design, coding, etc. But the next big traffic guy? Not happening anytime soon.

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by Anthony@Feb 11 2005, 10:49 AM
Back pre 2000, someone told me, I can't remember who it was, that the Adult Web was the Wild Wild West. WWW get it?

However, as with all things, corporations will take over, and lawyers become the gunslingers.

Back then, the small webmaster meant something, they could become the next big guy with traffic.

Sadly, I doubt that could happen to day. Our industry is filled with TGP gallery makers, and clueless morons who think a high post count matters where it counts the most, the check book. Good webmastes are getting harder and harder to find, they are out there, but are few and far between.

I don't see any reason to sponsor anyone to go to any trip to a convention. Just going to a convention is a filter of sorts. If you can't get to one, you really should think about a career change.

What I am seeing now are webmasters that are specializing and make a very good living out of it. With design, coding, etc. But the next big traffic guy? Not happening anytime soon.

earl:


and err..."It was me"

[Aly_AVN]

Originally posted by JimB@Feb 11 2005, 08:43 AM
I am kind of with you Nick. But, I am more of an anti-AVN sponsored event type of guy. I won't go to another of their shows until their locations and dates are swapped. I know it will never happen but if attendance keeps decreasing, they may not have a choice. More money to display and attend with less people going just doesn't work out right. Remember Florda in October??? Much better than a visit to the Sixth Gate of Hell in August.

Ehh, screw it...they won't change.

Nah... they'll never change. Why the hell would they do a crazy thing like that..?!

Seriously though... the shows aren't going to change to something that specifically suits you. They are going to change to what the majority request - as best they can. In a recent feedback form sent out to all Jan. Internext attendees and exhibitors, a VAST number of all respondents stated that they would prefer to stay in Vegas for the January show... (too bad really, I was hoping for San Francisco or Seattle for a change...)

If you ever have ANY feedback about AVN or Internext, let me know. aly@avn.com

Sorry if you're really planning to skip the show in Florida this summer, it's looking like it's going to be quite the event.


Oh... and to answer another question.. AOE has a somewhat decent (and growing) US webmaster turnout. It's in Prague this year, April 20-22.

[JimB]

Are you telling me that the majority of the webmasters enjoy Florida in August? They wouldn't prefer someplace a little less oppressive? Or did you just ask about where webmasters would like to have a show a few days after New Year?

Aly, you know as well as everyone else that it is only about the money. Nothing wrong with that but when people stop going, something needs to be done. Perhaps not forcing people to go to the hottest most humid place in the US in August might help.

So tell me, how is this years Florida in August going to be different than any other year. Except for less people going I mean.

[Aly_AVN]

Originally posted by JimB@Feb 11 2005, 04:08 PM
Are you telling me that the majority of the webmasters enjoy Florida in August? They wouldn't prefer someplace a little less oppressive? Or did you just ask about where webmasters would like to have a show a few days after New Year?

Aly, you know as well as everyone else that it is only about the money. Nothing wrong with that but when people stop going, something needs to be done. Perhaps not forcing people to go to the hottest most humid place in the US in August might help.

So tell me, how is this years Florida in August going to be different than any other year. Except for less people going I mean.

OF COURSE it's about the money! Internext can't afford NOT to listen to it's audience. But come on Jim, don't you agree that there might be a little more to the changes you DO see at Internext than price points? I see the shows as very reflective of the changes this entire industry goes through. We're not spending the money we used to on loud music, flashing booths, skimpy booth-bunnies and open bars. There's not an awful lot the show managers can do about that if we're still going to do big conventions. That said... Florida Internext is substantially different. this year the entire hotel's being taken over by sponsors, and while there are still (totally revamped) seminars and a show floor, nobody is required to buy booth space in order to participate in other ways (as a result of client feedback). The focus is being taken away from the show floor (while it still exists to provide companies with a place to exhibit and meet) and and on to the entire experience as a whole. It's promising to be a lot more interesting because a company can now choose to market themselves by pretty much whatever means can be dreamed-up. This change, as I mentioned, is a direct result of listening to the audience and acting on what they want.

As far as the location goes, this isn't a Vegas-type event (although Vegas in August is hotter than hell in a heatwave anyway) - it's a conference now, so it works well with the type of facility the Diplomat Resort is. The show managers have/ continue to look elsewhere for future potential event locations but the options are remarkably limited (IN THE US... to get back to the initial subject! ..)

And on a different note, while I general detest Florida at any time of year, I've rather liked going to the Florida show - as a client - in the past. I'm not alone in that.

I couldn't agree more that Internext staff haven't communicated well with their audience in the past... that's kind of why I decided to jump in here, but what I'm finding is that while there's a lot to 'fix' an awful lot of it is more around customer relations than anything else. ie: they never actually responded to the complaints we all posted about the events in public forums!

I have no interest defending crap... actually I have no interest working in crap either... LOL... I see something we can all work with here and have every intention of pushing thru the changes the industry needs, so please do hit me up personally with any ideas or requests.

[Raven]

I could have sworn I voted for Seattle. Damn.

I can understand the Florida locale. It's off season and the price is right...still...I just hate Florida in the summer....it drowns my lungs with the humidity. Is that a reason not to go? Maybe....

Those heavenly beds, though, are awesome and it's nice having the entire hotel just for us, along with a beach and a pool area as large as the one offered at the Diplomat.

I just hate Florida. Period. Did I mention that?

Seattle is such a perfect location, as it suits the west coast and Canada....it just sucks for East Coast people, I guess.

Is there any ideal location that would please everyone? I doubt it.

So, two internext locations....one west, one east...or both in Vegas...one in Mid January to give us a chance to recover from Christmas and New Year's...and one in June before it gets stifling.

[Aly_AVN]

Originally posted by Raven@Feb 11 2005, 04:44 PM
I could have sworn I voted for Seattle. Damn.

I can understand the Florida locale. It's off season and the price is right...still...I just hate Florida in the summer....it drowns my lungs with the humidity. Is that a reason not to go? Maybe....

Those heavenly beds, though, are awesome and it's nice having the entire hotel just for us, along with a beach and a pool area as large as the one offered at the Diplomat.

I just hate Florida. Period. Did I mention that?

Seattle is such a perfect location, as it suits the west coast and Canada....it just sucks for East Coast people, I guess.

Is there any ideal location that would please everyone? I doubt it.

So, two internext locations....one west, one east...or both in Vegas...one in Mid January to give us a chance to recover from Christmas and New Year's...and one in June before it gets stifling.

LOL... Seattle would be great! ... But it was rather unpopular!

I agree with all your pros and cons... and YES... I really am pushing very fucking hard for a slightly different winter show date, but it's not just for me to decide... so cross your fingers!)

[JoesHO]

Originally posted by Aly_AVN+Feb 11 2005, 04:53 PM-->