Protestors mindlessly shouting

[CDSmith]

"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling, which thinks that nothing is worth war, is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself"

-- John Stuart Mill





I truly believe this world will be a better place once we are minus one Saddam Insane. Once he's gone, ask the Iraqi people if it was worth it.



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[Vick]

Excellent Quote!!!

[cj]

Originally posted by CDSmith@Mar 27 2003, 01:04 AM
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling, which thinks that nothing is worth war, is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself"

-- John Stuart Mill





I truly believe this world will be a better place once we are minus one Saddam Insane. Once he's gone, ask the Iraqi people if it was worth it.

what a contradiction!!

so if you are against war you have nothing to fight for??!?! I'd say the protestors feel they have something to fight for ...

just because someone isn't fighting for the same cause as you, they are miserable with no chance of being free??

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA

[voodooman]

Anyone see Martin Sheen protesting on tv???

hahahaha,


Now, THAT is the single most fucked up thing I have
seen yet from any protester.

The guy plays the President of the United States on
The West Wing, and then protests the war in his spare
time???

[CDSmith]

Originally posted by cj@Mar 27 2003, 01:35 AM
so if you are against war you have nothing to fight for??!?! I'd say the protestors feel they have something to fight for ...

just because someone isn't fighting for the same cause as you, they are miserable with no chance of being free??

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA

Keep laughing fool.


Like most of your kind, you entirely miss the overall point of the message as it applies to this war. Saddam represents opression for his people, that is indesputably true, but he also represents a threat to world peace. Peaceniks are so deluded that they will actually argue on Saddam's behalf citing what a peaceful man he is, when in fact he hates the Jews, he supports and rewards terrorism, and has horded powerful deadly weapons, of which he cannot be safely trusted to own.

Most thinking people know all that.

The point that you missed out on is that some things in this world are worth fighting against. If you don't have the balls to stand up and at least support those who are fighting against all that, if you are the type that shouts for peace at all costs, then you are the subject of what Sir Mill was talking about.

Now continue on your merry way, laughing like a drooling mental patient at medication time.

[Rox]

Peaceniks are so deluded that they will actually argue on Saddam's behalf citing what a peaceful man he is

Citation, please? I've read a LOT of stuff over the past few months, and I've yet to see ONE person or group call Saddam Hussein "peaceful." If you can come up with a reference, I'd love to see it (so I can stay WAY the hell away from whomever this person/these people might be, because they're clearly out of their fucking minds!).

[Alex @ ISPrime]

CD we had the same problem here as well http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/03/27/sprj.irq....iwar/index.html

[kath]

Originally posted by Rox@Mar 27 2003, 05:13 PM

Citation, please? I've read a LOT of stuff over the past few months, and I've yet to see ONE person or group call Saddam Hussein "peaceful." If you can come up with a reference, I'd love to see it (so I can stay WAY the hell away from whomever this person/these people might be, because they're clearly out of their fucking minds!).

All of those who think Saddam is a peaceful man - raise your hands?!?

*quietly and off to the side* Arms....ready!!!!!!





Now that we've got THOSE idiots out of the way...... lol

Yeah....I hadn't heard anyone say that either, but if anyone EVER called Saddam peaceful - they just gotta be shot. We can debate war all day long - hell, all year long - but I don't think there are many who aren't brainwashed by Saddam himself that would call him a peaceful man - lol

[SykkBoy]

Originally posted by CDSmith@Mar 27 2003, 08:06 PM

Most thinking people know all that.

So, you're one of those "thinking" type people just because you wave your China-made flag around and sing "God Bless America" louder than anyone else?

Are you also one of those "thinking" type people who think only your opinion should matter and anyone who's opinion is different is un-American or sucking Sadam's cock?

I love how people try to prove their point by saying such objective things as "obviously, someone with half a brain...." or "someone who's not a complete retard...."

I'm glad you're not only a thinker, but a mindreader and you automatically know what others are thinking...well, we need your type out there on the battlefield son, so suit up and put your thinking and mindreading to use.


I just pray those soldiers fighting over in Iraq now recieve better treatment after this war than previous generations of veterans...another trip to a VA Hospital with my father-in-law and another bit of respect lost for those who are supposed to be taking care of our veterans oops, got off topic there again...damn my non-thinking mentality.....

[CDSmith]

Well, I read quite a bit on various boards, especially lately. I have read more than a few posts, mostly from the more extreme end of the peace movement, who have said such things as "Saddam/Iraq has never done any harm whatsoever to the USA"..... "Iraq for certain had NOTHING TO DO with 9/11"...... "Saddam Iraq have NO ties to Al Qaida/terrorists".... "Saddam has threatened NO ONE"....... "He is/was complying with the inspectors!!"....... and my personal favorite "There is no proof that Saddam has killed his own people!"

All those quotes and more are on various boards in past threads, such as GFY, porncity, and a few others where "anti-US/wartalk" rages on and on and on. Some of the dumbass mindless drivel and slanted uber-warped arguments are......amazing, to say the least.

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by Rox@Mar 27 2003, 08:13 PM

Citation, please? I've read a LOT of stuff over the past few months, and I've yet to see ONE person or group call Saddam Hussein "peaceful." If you can come up with a reference, I'd love to see it (so I can stay WAY the hell away from whomever this person/these people might be, because they're clearly out of their fucking minds!).

Don't you get it yet?

1. If you oppose this war you are antiAmerican, antisemitic, and antiwoman, proterrorist and pro-oppression.

2. Fears of Saddam are grounded in fact. Fear of open spectulation by members of the Bush Administration and those close to it about who's next means you are probably described by number 1.



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[CDSmith]

Syk BOY..... I have looked after and given medical care to more veterans than you'll ever dream of knowing.


And yes, the points I mentioned are known to be true by most people with half a brain.

Let's look at those few points again.....

"Saddam represents opression for his people, that is indesputably true, but he also represents a threat to world peace..... he hates the Jews, he supports and rewards terrorism, and has horded powerful deadly weapons, of which he cannot be safely trusted to own."

Hmm... I don't see where anyone would want to raise a fuckus about anything in that paragraph.



Fact is, I want peace just as much as the next person. I'm not all that big on seeing young people getting killed and injured either, and Syk...... I'm way beyond someone like you calling me "son", so put your dick away.

[CDSmith]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Mar 27 2003, 07:27 PM
Don't you get it yet?

1. If you oppose this war you are antiAmerican, antisemitic, and antiwoman, proterrorist and pro-oppression.

2. Fears of Saddam are grounded in fact. Fear of open spectulation by members of the Bush Administration and those close to it about who's next means you are probably described by number 1.

Why spew such drivel?


I was actually beginning to respect your opinion on porncity, but man, that's screwed.


Thumbs down doggy.

[CDSmith]

The central point of Mill's quote is that sometimes, just sometimes... there are things in this world worth fighting...... and there are things in this world worth fighting for to preserve.

Period.




If you don't agree that's your right. If you choose to openly degrade and desparage your country's leader(s) and/or throw rocks at your country's service men & women and burn your flag in protest then just be happy you live in a country where others have fought and died to preserve your *right* to do so. Others in less tolerant countries have been killed, mutilated, or had their whole family killed for less.



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[SykkBoy]

Originally posted by CDSmith@Mar 27 2003, 08:31 PM
Syk BOY..... I have looked after and given medical care to more veterans than you'll ever dream of knowing.


And yes, the points I mentioned are known to be true by most people with half a brain.

Let's look at those few points again.....

"Saddam represents opression for his people, that is indesputably true, but he also represents a threat to world peace..... he hates the Jews, he supports and rewards terrorism, and has horded powerful deadly weapons, of which he cannot be safely trusted to own."

Hmm... I don't see where anyone would want to raise a fuckus about anything in that paragraph.



Fact is, I want peace just as much as the next person. I'm not all that big on seeing young people getting killed and injured either, and Syk...... I'm way beyond someone like you calling me "son", so put your dick away.

Sorry, I should have seperated the afterthought, that wasn't about you...I just thinks it's fucking disgusting how our veterans get treated in this country while everyone talks about supporting our soldiers...

No one is raising a "fuckus" about what's in the paragraph, but I don't recall seeing anyone ever calling Sadam "peaceful" I, too, would like citations of that...

You're beyond someone like me calling you "son"? nope, sorry, but nobody is beyond that...it's better than "sonofabitch"...it's better than "pinhead"...or is this more of that 'thinking" thing?

[RawAlex]

CDSmith, your sarcasm detector isn't working.

One of the things I have noticed especially here on Oprano is the use of the "the you must be" arguement.

if you are against legislation banning abortion, "then you must be a baby killer".

if you don't support bush, "then you must be a commie"

if you don't support the war in Iraq, "the you must be saddam bum buddy"

I am seeing more and more extremism, and people trying to push that extremism onto others. Some people have a VERY extreme point about bush, the war, whatever - but because I don't ENTIRELY agree with you doesn't make me a polar opposite. Wake up and realize that between the two points, there is a TON of great...

I don't like Bush (I don't like the way the election worked out...), I am not a big fan of the war, although I think it had to be done. For me it is a matter of timing, this didn't have to happen NOW, it could have happened next month.... nobody has really brought any proof to the table to support the date (and when I say nobody, I am taking about the US and British Administrations, those people sponsoring this bomb-fest).

None of this makes me a commie or saddam's bum buddy or anything else. I am just living in the grey area of reality.

Alex

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by CDSmith+Mar 27 2003, 08:33 PM-->