Shit like this makes me happy I missed Internext

[Jace]

I often wonder why Chris from xclusivecash never posts on boards, he obviously reads them ALL the time, because every post I make he tries to icq me

here is the latest:

(8/11/2007 5:29:00 PM) NR Media Chris: http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/showp...3&postcount=45 :-D You and StuartD are just maiking this all too easy ... please...by all means keep it up *THUMBS UP* In all sincerity... I appreciate it. And Hey if Tucker can't buy your Sig... can I?

[Hammer]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

So was the Titanic. But it was a turkey. But it was run by bozos who never even apologised for their mess. It was unforgivable. No different from Ibill and all the cocksuckers that ran that "interesting" company.

The Titanic was a perfectly fine ship that was sunk by an extremely freak accident. No one could have predicted that the ship would ever hit a submerged iceberg that would breach several airtight chambers and make a ship that otherwise would have been nearly unsinkable, sink.

That doesn't change the fact that DRM is a very useful way to use P2P sites or to keep members from downloading all of a site's videos and watching them beyond the membership expiration. Just because a company may have pulled some shit on the people that used it doesn't make it any less interesting. I also said I thought it was an interesting idea several years ago at the time that he talked about it on my show, when it was a relatively new idea.

Now don't go wibbling on me.

[softball]

Originally Posted by Hammer

The Titanic was a perfectly fine ship that was sunk by an extremely freak accident. No one could have predicted that the ship would ever hit a submerged iceberg that would breach several airtight chambers and make a ship that otherwise would have been nearly unsinkable, sink.

That doesn't change the fact that DRM is a very useful way to use P2P sites or to keep members from downloading all of a site's videos and watching them beyond the membership expiration. Just because a company may have pulled some shit on the people that used it doesn't make it any less interesting. I also said I thought it was an interesting idea several years ago at the time that he talked about it on my show, when it was a relatively new idea.

Now don't go wibbling on me.

"That doesn't change the fact that DRM is a very useful way to use P2P sites or to keep members from downloading all of a site's videos and watching them beyond the membership expiration. "

DRM is very interesting and useful. That was exactly why I bought into it. That was never my point. Tucker was the problem. He handled the company and the customers about as well as White Star treated its passengers. He cut them loose to drown with inadequate safety nets.
Edit: you see, what I find interesting, is no one calls Tucker out to talk about said disaster. Why on earth would you defend anyone who conducts business like this?

[Hammer]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

Why on earth would you defend anyone who conducts business like this?

Where in the world have you seen me defend Jason? I said I've known him for years and consider him a friend. He's not a close personal friend and maybe instead of saying 'friend' I should have said he's someone I'm 'friendly' with, because other than having friendly conversations with him at conventions, I don't really know him. If I had actual business dealings with him and had used his DRM service and been fucked over I would certainly feel differently, but at this point I don't have any first-hand business experiences with him and I'm not going to condemn someone based on what I've read about them on the boards. I don't think I'm in a position to either defend or condemn him.

[softball]

Originally Posted by Hammer

Where in the world have you seen me defend Jason? I said I've known him for years and consider him a friend. He's not a close personal friend and maybe instead of saying 'friend' I should have said he's someone I'm 'friendly' with, because other than having friendly conversations with him at conventions, I don't really know him. If I had actual business dealings with him and had used his DRM service and been fucked over I would certainly feel differently, but at this point I don't have any first-hand business experiences with him and I'm not going to condemn someone based on what I've read about them on the boards. I don't think I'm in a position to either defend or condemn him.

Fair enough.

[Buckwheat]

Originally Posted by gonzo

We have briefly. I hooked you up with last years ticket in Vegas via Ron Stewart.

i love that muhfuka!

ever pitcher tells a story dont it . . . ever pitcher tells a story dont it

[gonzo]

The DRM debate is a good one.
A good example of how DRM works is how well it prefoms inthe pay per minute genre as opposed to DRM but used to protect content inside of a members area.

[The views expressed on Oprano are those of the posters and in cases not mine....or Evil Empire Inc.. of course unless I posted it]

[softball]

Originally Posted by gonzo

The DRM debate is a good one.
A good example of how DRM works is how well it prefoms inthe pay per minute genre as opposed to DRM but used to protect content inside of a members area.

[The views expressed on Oprano are those of the posters and in cases not mine....or Evil Empire Inc.. of course unless I posted it]

I love drm. I wish it was the industry standard.

[Hell Puppy]

This is where my surfer eyes and my business eyes disagree.

From a business point of view, I love DRM.

As a surfer, I hate it.

For it to ever get traction outside of the VOD world, it'll have to become a lot less intrusive. From the user point of view, their experience should be no different than viewing a simple mpeg.

Even then, it'll only work on exclusive content. If I can go down the street and get the same thing from someone else without DRM, whose site do you think I'm going to get my videos from?

Surfer wins here so far.....proof of that is that even guys like Nasty Dollars/Bang Bros who produce TONS of exclusive video content every week are NOT using DRM.

[mailman]

Originally Posted by Jace

I often wonder why Chris from xclusivecash never posts on boards, he obviously reads them ALL the time, because every post I make he tries to icq me

here is the latest:

(8/11/2007 5:29:00 PM) NR Media Chris: http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/showp...3&postcount=45 :-D You and StuartD are just maiking this all too easy ... please...by all means keep it up *THUMBS UP* In all sincerity... I appreciate it. And Hey if Tucker can't buy your Sig... can I?

At least Chris sends you an ICQ when I use to hit them up I would get no responce being I would go to Chris because TUCKER DID NOT OWN XCLUSIVE CASH and then chris would never respond and then mins later Tucker would hit me up..

all I know is that from when they stoped paying webmasters through nats forget the original issue that caused all this I am owed at least $4,500 and thats only till feb when I got sick of taking screen caps and they only pulled off nats a few months back.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by mailman

At least Chris sends you an ICQ when I use to hit them up I would get no responce being I would go to Chris because TUCKER DID NOT OWN XCLUSIVE CASH and then chris would never respond and then mins later Tucker would hit me up..

all I know is that from when they stoped paying webmasters through nats forget the original issue that caused all this I am owed at least $4,500 and thats only till feb when I got sick of taking screen caps and they only pulled off nats a few months back.

I just wonder what he means by "You and StuartD are just maiking this all too easy"

wonder if they are going to sue me??? ROFL

Chris!

[Hammer]

Originally Posted by Jace

I just wonder what he means by "You and StuartD are just maiking this all too easy"

wonder if they are going to sue me??? ROFL

Chris!

Might not be as funny as you think. Since you have no first-hand knowledge of anything you've said and have no way to prove any of it as fact, it might be best to stop talking.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by Hammer

Might not be as funny as you think. Since you have no first-hand knowledge of anything you've said and have no way to prove any of it as fact, it might be best to stop talking.

every post I make is of my opinion and all information is gathered from various posts by those on the inside and those speculating

I make sure and let people know that when I post

I have said it time and time again with every single post, the only thing I know for a fact is that affiliates of xclusivecash have still not been paid

[Hammer]

Originally Posted by Jace

every post I make is of my opinion and all information is gathered from various posts by those on the inside and those speculating

I make sure and let people know that when I post

I have said it time and time again with every single post, the only thing I know for a fact is that affiliates of xclusivecash have still not been paid

Do you know what libel and slander are? They are exactly what you just admitted to doing. You are saying things about a company that you don't know to be fact. If they can prove that the things you are saying is causing them financial loss and that what you said was not a fact, that is libel.

Just because you say you've only heard this from other people or read it on other boards doesn't protect you from a libel suit if what you are saying can't be proven as fact.

Let's say that I post on a board that company A stole from their affiliates, but I'm only repeating something I'd heard or read and have no first-hand knowledge or proof.

Suppose that I'm popular on that board and people listen to what I say so they start pulling their links and switching to another sponsor.

Suppose that company A can prove that I directly caused those affiliates to pull their links which then caused them to suffer a financial loss because some of those affiliates were generating substantial signups.

Suppose that company A knows they can prove that what I said was untrue because of some facts that I and the people I'd heard this stuff from weren't privy to?

Not only am I going to be slapped with a libel suit, but chances are very good that they will win because they will be able to prove all the elements of a libel suit.

1. My statements were false
2. My statements were made with the intent of causing ruin
3. My statements were made to more than one person

[Jace]

Originally Posted by Hammer

Let's say that I post on a board that company A stole from their affiliates, but I'm only repeating something I'd heard or read and have no first-hand knowledge or proof.

Suppose that I'm popular on that board and people listen to what I say so they start pulling their links and switching to another sponsor.

Suppose that company A can prove that I directly caused those affiliates to pull their links which then caused them to suffer a financial loss because some of those affiliates were generating substantial signups.

Suppose that company A knows they can prove that what I said was untrue because of some facts that I and the people I'd heard this stuff from weren't privy to?

Not only am I going to be slapped with a libel suit, but chances are very good that they will win because they will be able to prove all the elements of a libel suit.

1. My statements were false
2. My statements were made with the intent of causing ruin
3. My statements were made to more than one person

wow, so you are a lawyer now too? damn, your resume just keeps growing

[Rcourt64]

Originally Posted by Hammer

Do you know what libel and slander are? They are exactly what you just admitted to doing. You are saying things about a company that you don't know to be fact. If they can prove that the things you are saying is causing them financial loss and that what you said was not a fact, that is libel.

Just because you say you've only heard this from other people or read it on other boards doesn't protect you from a libel suit if what you are saying can't be proven as fact.

Let's say that I post on a board that company A stole from their affiliates, but I'm only repeating something I'd heard or read and have no first-hand knowledge or proof.

Suppose that I'm popular on that board and people listen to what I say so they start pulling their links and switching to another sponsor.

Suppose that company A can prove that I directly caused those affiliates to pull their links which then caused them to suffer a financial loss because some of those affiliates were generating substantial signups.

Suppose that company A knows they can prove that what I said was untrue because of some facts that I and the people I'd heard this stuff from weren't privy to?

Not only am I going to be slapped with a libel suit, but chances are very good that they will win because they will be able to prove all the elements of a libel suit.

1. My statements were false
2. My statements were made with the intent of causing ruin
3. My statements were made to more than one person

Do you know how hard it would be to prove most of that crap?
Subordination, Discrimination, Hear say, Speech Coalition Acts, and a few more...I can think of so many ways to rip this open Mighty One.

[Hammer]

Originally Posted by Jace

wow, so you are a lawyer now too? damn, your resume just keeps growing

Does someone need to be a lawyer to understand the law and how not to break it?

[Rcourt64]

Originally Posted by Hammer

Does someone need to be a lawyer to understand the law and how not to break it?

Just learn how to go around, and play thru the law, its how cases have been who for years.
Interpreting the law to work in your favor is very successful for lawyers now days.

The "Proven with actual fact evidence" barely works anymore in court cuz it's so hard to do.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by Hammer

Does someone need to be a lawyer to understand the law and how not to break it?

what does that have to do with being sued for something I said on a message board?

you know as well as I do that court cases these days are based on how good the lawyers are....

besides, you can't make any money suing someone who has nothing and as tucker already has said on humorous occasions, I am too broke to afford my own things, so I doubt I have much to worry about

[Hammer]

Originally Posted by Rcourt64

The "Proven with actual fact evidence" barely works anymore in court cuz it's so hard to do.

I agree that libel is difficult to prove, but then again, I sure wouldn't want to have to pay to defend myself against a libel lawsuit whether I ultimately won or not.

[Rcourt64]

Originally Posted by Hammer

I agree that libel is difficult to prove, but then again, I sure wouldn't want to have to pay to defend myself against a libel lawsuit whether I ultimately won or not.

I won't argue that one

But P.S. thats where counter-law suits fall in handy.

[Hammer]

Originally Posted by Jace

what does that have to do with being sued for something I said on a message board?

LOL. It was in response to your comment about me being a lawyer.

It's amazing how people assume they will never be sued because they don't have a lot of money.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by Hammer

It's amazing how people assume they will never be sued because they don't have a lot of money.

jesus, shit just constantly flies right over your head doesn't it?

[Rcourt64]

Originally Posted by Hammer

LOL. It was in response to your comment about me being a lawyer.

It's amazing how people assume they will never be sued because they don't have a lot of money.

True again, but we all know that 90% of these cases even when lost. People don't do any time. Look at O.J Simpson. That guy owes millions in a civil lawsuit with Nicole's family, and that asswipe is playing golf right now in some multi million dollar golf course.

[Hammer]

Originally Posted by Jace

jesus, shit just constantly flies right over your head doesn't it?

Not much flies over my head, but I think maybe some never makes it near yours.

[Hammer]

Originally Posted by Rcourt64

True again, but we all know that 90% of these cases even when lost. People don't do any time. Look at O.J Simpson. That guy owes millions in a civil lawsuit with Nicole's family, and that asswipe is playing golf right now in some multi million dollar golf course.

I think O.J. had a little more money for his defense than Jace does. But hey, Jace isn't worried because he thinks people only sue people that have money.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by Hammer

Not much flies over my head, but I think maybe some never makes it near yours.

oh snap, good one dawg!

[Jace]

Originally Posted by Hammer

I think O.J. had a little more money for his defense than Jace does. But hey, Jace isn't worried because he thinks people only sue people that have money.

now now, did I say that? and if I did, was I serious or just possibly playing off tucker calling me names?

regardless, i guess we will see in time, after all Chris is getting those pdf's ready

[Jace]

all right hammer, it has been fun having our daily quabble...I gotta run and grab my weekly crack supply before I start having withdrawals

[Rcourt64]

Originally Posted by Hammer

I think O.J. had a little more money for his defense than Jace does. But hey, Jace isn't worried because he thinks people only sue people that have money.

You don't get it Hammer. He LOST the civil case, regardless of his pricey ass lawyers, They didn't do shit for him.
But he's still golfing it up somewhere. even though he owes them millions??? get it.
Your hanging around rhetorical too much Mighty One, it's starting to show man.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Jace

all right hammer, it has been fun having our daily quabble...I gotta run and grab my weekly crack supply before I start having withdrawals

Are you a trained actress too?

[Hammer]

Originally Posted by Rcourt64

You don't get it Hammer. He LOST the civil case, regardless of his pricey ass lawyers, They didn't do shit for him.
But he's still golfing it up somewhere. even though he owes them millions??? get it.
Your hanging around rhetorical too much Mighty One, it's starting to show man.

It's no fun debating with someone that doesn't have a clue so I give up, you win. O.J. Simpson beat a murder rap and continues to live his life free and snub his nose at the family that won the case, but his attorneys didn't do shit for him. He just decided not to pay and no one is doing anything about it.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Are you a trained actress too?

no, but I do hire girls as models and pimp them out for $50 quick fucks

[Rcourt64]

Originally Posted by Hammer

It's no fun debating with someone that doesn't have a clue so I give up, you win. O.J. Simpson beat a murder rap and continues to live his life free and snub his nose at the family that won the case, but his attorneys didn't do shit for him. He just decided not to pay and no one is doing anything about it.

Doesn't have a clue????
I haven't mentioned anything about his murder trial. Thats a totally different story,
I'm talking about getting sued and walking free, even if found guilty.
One's a civil case and ones a criminal trial. Meaning different lawyers with different cases and different circumstances .
I think you have your cases mixed up....
Soooo... naaa

[Jace]

Originally Posted by Hammer

He wasn't speaking, he was holding a press conference to explain why he'd stolen thousands of dollars from affiliates.

i didn't catch this before, glad someone pointed it out AFTER the big lawsuit quabble and how I was speaking about things I had no first hand knowledge of

so, ready to be sued hammer?

I NEVER EVER say anything about them stealing, so, how do you know they literally STOLE all that money?

[Hammer]

Originally Posted by Jace

i didn't catch this before, glad someone pointed it out AFTER the big lawsuit quabble and how I was speaking about things I had no first hand knowledge of

so, ready to be sued hammer?

I NEVER EVER say anything about them stealing, so, how do you know they literally STOLE all that money?

ummm... What kinds of drugs are you using?

"what are we coming to when we allow people who have stolen thousands of dollars from affiliates speak at seminars?"

That was how you started this thread. I was simply quoting you in my reply.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by Hammer

ummm... What kinds of drugs are you using?

"what are we coming to when we allow people who have stolen thousands of dollars from affiliates speak at seminars?"

That was how you started this thread. I was simply quoting you in my reply.

haha, that was quoted from me?

i didn't see any vbulletin quotes to show that

looks to me like you were doing the exact same thing I did, and also liable

[Jace]

Originally Posted by Jace

i didn't catch this before, glad someone pointed it out AFTER the big lawsuit quabble and how I was speaking about things I had no first hand knowledge of

so, ready to be sued hammer?

I NEVER EVER say anything about them stealing, so, how do you know they literally STOLE all that money?

haha, i take that back, I just woke up from a nap when I posted this...I did say they stole, because as far as I see it right now the money is stolen, because affiliates haven't been paid and still have galleries up

but you DID say it too

[Hammer]

Originally Posted by Jace

haha, that was quoted from me?

i didn't see any vbulletin quotes to show that

looks to me like you were doing the exact same thing I did, and also liable

LOL. You're killing me here man. First of all it's libel not liable and second, why don't you look at the post you started this thread with and tell me what you typed right above the picture of Chris that you posted.

I did not say anyone stole thousands of dollars, you did, I simply quoted you in my obvious joke. Nothing libelous about what I did.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by Hammer

LOL. You're killing me here man. First of all it's libel not liable and second, why don't you look at the post you started this thread with and tell me what you typed right above the picture of Chris that you posted.

I did not say anyone stole thousands of dollars, you did, I simply quoted you in my obvious joke. Nothing libelous about what I did.

no, i meant liable...sorry, I am not a lawyer, therefore don't pretend to be one by using legal terms

In the most general sense, a liability is anything that is a hindrance, or puts individuals at a disadvantage.

btw, you didn't quote shit, hell, you didn't even use quotation marks, much less the vbulletin quote feature

[Jace]

some random icq's from hammer's "friends"

(7:07:26 PM) XXXXXXX: Hammer must be drunk today man, not sure why he has it out for you lately.

another:


(6:21:42 PM) XXXXXXX: What did you do to Hammer to get him to stalk you like this over something that has nothing to do with him?
(6:22:01 PM) Jace: Nothing, I think he is still bitter that I called him out on the wordpress themes
(6:23:26 PM) XXXXXXX: well, he is acting like a total idiot in that thred, I had no idea he was a lawyer now too
(6:24:20 PM) Jace: I guess one of these posts he will eventually figure out that I am fucking around more than anything, but I doubt it, he takes everything way too seriously for that


Hammer, do you like me that much that you have to warn me about my actions on a message board? if not, what is your agenda here? i am all ears (or eyes rather)

i can't imagine you are schooling me just because you care so much, so what is it? you usually stalk me quite negatively, but today you are teaching me all kinds of stuff in order to educate me on the legal sytem

[Jace]

Originally Posted by Hammer

I did not say anyone stole thousands of dollars, you did, I simply quoted you in my obvious joke. Nothing libelous about what I did.

oh, and wait, I was just quoting someone on mediumpimpin, they originally said XC stole from affiliates

whew, guess I am clear now

[Rcourt64]

My mama told his mama that Jaces mama saw Hammers mama talking to her mama about what Jaces mama said that it's libel not liable. 4real-4real yupyup, ask Buckwheats mama if ya don't believe.

All HEAR-SAY so far

[softball]

Jace, dude, you sound panicked. You need to breath into a brown paper bag.....................
















Oh yeah and keep your fingers crossed that you won't be defending a law suit. LOL

[Hammer]

I can't say that I like you, but I was trying to offer some friendly advice. What I did that deserved this copy and paste of a conversation, I'm not sure, but I've learned my lesson. Welcome to my ignore list.

Good luck explaining to the judge that the sentence you started this thread with was a quote from another board.

[Hammer]

"Sorry Jace is a moderator/admin and you are not allowed to ignore him or her."

Unfortunately it appears that I'll have to ignore him manually.

[Jace]

ROFL

Hammer, you are hilarious, I will give ya that

wish you could ignore on all the boards, cause I DO get sick of your stalking, that is for sure

[softball]

Originally Posted by Jace

ROFL

Hammer, you are hilarious, I will give ya that

wish you could ignore on all the boards, cause I DO get sick of your stalking, that is for sure

Jace, you are losing it. You might want to take the evening off.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

Jace, dude, you sound panicked. You need to breath into a brown paper bag.....................


Oh yeah and keep your fingers crossed that you won't be defending a law suit. LOL

ha, I am having more fun than anything, there are a few of us in one of those aol chatrooms just laughing our asses off right now about this thread

and I doubt there will be any he said she said chat board lawsuits any time soon

[Jace]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

Jace, you are losing it. You might want to take the evening off.

hammer is just mad cause I busted him ripping off themes and calling them his own