Survey Time: Models in Boys Underwear

[Hell Puppy]

Hey yo...

It's survey time again.

The FFN's have been having some heated debates this weekend. When shooting models, you're always looking for outfit, location, theme and costume ideas. I mean how many ways can you strip a girl naked?

We came up with an idea for a set for the comic book crowd. The idea is get some comic theme underwear and put the model in them, in this case, Batman. Now they dont make these for girls, or at least we couldnt' find them. Adult male undies are too large. So we get boys undies.

The idea here is skimpy boys briefs that are way too small, come out nice and tight on the model, a similarly themed t-shirt is way too short and just covers the breasts.

No pigtails and lollipops here, NO one in their right mind when they see this would think we're trying to make a girl look like she's under 18. Yet, one of our fellow FFN's says we've gone pedo and just cant stand the idea that we'd have something that was intended for a child anywhere near a porn shoot. I say this is fucking stupid, we're not appealing to pedo's, we're going after guys who dig comic books (the ones over 18 at least!).

[Peaches]

Well...you already know MY opinions on this but I'll share them with the peanut gallery:

When you take an 18 year old girl and put her in something that someone YOUNGER than 18 would wear or put her in an environment that someone YOUNGER than 18 years old would be in, you've not crossed a legal line, just a moral one to ME. But we know I'm the prude in the biz.

18 year old girls do everything they can to look older in real life, not younger. Ergo, you're not portraying a true 18 year old by putting her comic inspired Underoos. That's what 10 year old girls wear and young boys wear.

By putting a technically legal 18 year old in clothing that depicts her as under 18, ergo illegal, I think you're crossing dangerous lines. Ditto with the wearing of the kids Halloween costumes and posting on playgrounds - again something REAL 18 year old girls wouldn't be caught dead doing.

Go to any mall and look at the 18 year olds. They are trying to look 24, not 12. Yet you are filming them in cartoon character underoos - little boy ones at that.

But once again, I am not your target demographic - men who want to see girls that are technically legal but are dressed as children are

I fully expect to be in the minority here

[Hell Puppy]

Originally Posted by Peaches

Well...you already know MY opinions on this but I'll share them with the peanut gallery:

When you take an 18 year old girl and put her in something that someone YOUNGER than 18 would wear or put her in an environment that someone YOUNGER than 18 years old would be in, you've not crossed a legal line, just a moral one to ME. But we know I'm the prude in the biz.

18 year old girls do everything they can to look older in real life, not younger. Ergo, you're not portraying a true 18 year old by putting her comic inspired Underoos. That's what 10 year old girls wear and young boys wear.

By putting a technically legal 18 year old in clothing that depicts her as under 18, ergo illegal, I think you're crossing dangerous lines. Ditto with the wearing of the kids Halloween costumes and posting on playgrounds - again something REAL 18 year old girls wouldn't be caught dead doing.

Go to any mall and look at the 18 year olds. They are trying to look 24, not 12. Yet you are filming them in cartoon character underoos - little boy ones at that.

But once again, I am not your target demographic - men who want to see girls that are technically legal but are dressed as children are

I fully expect to be in the minority here

Peaches, you ignorant slut.....

You're completely blinded by the idea of something intended for kids being in porn.

We're not trying to make anyone look under 18. There's no way any rational person would look at a pic like we're describing and go "oh, she's wearing underroo's, she must be 12!". If I put on a pair of care bear panties will you think I'm 12?

And I could give a rat's ass what an 18-24 year old wears to the mall. What I care about is what might make a guy sitting at home surfing the internet get interested enough to pull out his credit card.

Oh, and by the way, the model showed up wearing a kids spiderman watch, and we had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with that. Just a weird coincidence.

[Peaches]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

And I could give a rat's ass what an 18-24 year old wears to the mall. What I care about is what might make a guy sitting at home surfing the internet get interested enough to pull out his credit card

As Nick once said "I have all the morals I can afford."

[Peaches]

And putting a "robust" 40 year old man in underoos and a girl who's just barely over the legal age limit is comparing apples and massively huge watermelons

Again, this is just NOT a line I'd be willing to cross, both as a parent and friends of parents with 18 year old daughters. You're not depicting a true 18 year old when you put them in little boy's underwear - you're depicting a child.

[Hell Puppy]

Originally Posted by Peaches

As Nick once said "I have all the morals I can afford."

Careful, that's the type of analogy that will actually piss me off....

You dont wanna piss me off.

Morals are a personal thing, most of us are way on the outside of what "normal" people find acceptable by the mere fact we're marketing porn. But I can say I've never intentionally done anything that would cause anyone harm....especially a child. You'll never "accidently" see so much as a tit on any of my domains. I've been putting ICRA tags on every server for years.

You're post implies that you want to lump me in with a group that will do anything they can possibly get away with if it'll bring them a buck. You know as well as anyone,that's no my game.

You keep trying to lump me in with pedophiles, scum bags and rip off artists, and I might actually get riled...

[Peaches]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

Now they dont make these for girls, or at least we couldnt' find them. Adult male undies are too large. So we get boys undies

One might ask themselves why comic book Underoos AREN'T sold in the department that caters to 18 year old girls

(this has been an ongoing discussion that HP and I disagree strongly on, in case no one's noticed )

[Hell Puppy]

Originally Posted by Peaches

One might ask themselves why comic book Underoos AREN'T sold in the department that caters to 18 year old girls

(this has been an ongoing discussion that HP and I disagree strongly on, in case no one's noticed )

Please pay attention, I'm not marketing to 18 year old girls.

[Peaches]

You're looking at this through the eyes of a pornographer who wants to make money. I'm looking at it through the eyes of a parent. It's only natural our views are going to differ on something like this.

I'm not your moral compass - you really shouldn't care what my thoughts are on this matter. But you also know I'm opininated bitch and if I feel some way about something, I'm gonna let you know

[Peaches]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

Please pay attention, I'm not marketing to 18 year old girls.

You're marketing 18 year old girls. Ergo you should dress them in items 18 year old girls wear - not what children wear.

[Hell Puppy]

Originally Posted by Peaches

You're marketing 18 year old girls. Ergo you should dress them in items 18 year old girls wear - not what children wear.

18 year old girls also dont run around naked either.

We're selling fantasy.

Even so called 'reality porn' isn't very realistic most of the time.

[Peaches]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

We're selling fantasy.

Keeping quiet about who this fantasy appeals to before you get pissed enough to hack into my electric account and I end up with a million dollar bill

[Hell Puppy]

Originally Posted by Peaches

Keeping quiet about who this fantasy appeals to before you get pissed enough to hack into my electric account and I end up with a million dollar bill

In this case, comic book fans.

The pedos will go hang out on the non-nude sites or the sites that have girls who look 15 still wearing pig tails and braces.... Nothing for them here.

[Peaches]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

In this case, comic book fans.

Deleted what I was going to say - I value the lives of the pugs

We'll agree to 110% totally and completely disgree on this.

Next thing you know, you'll be telling me it makes no sense to make "to do" lists.........

[Hell Puppy]

Originally Posted by Peaches

Deleted what I was going to say - I value the lives of the pugs

We'll agree to 110% totally and completely disgree on this.

Next thing you know, you'll be telling me it makes no sense to make "to do" lists.........

I appreciate your confidence in me.

Go ahead and pass judgement without even seeing any pics.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Peaches

Well...you already know MY opinions on this but I'll share them with the peanut gallery:

When you take an 18 year old girl and put her in something that someone YOUNGER than 18 would wear or put her in an environment that someone YOUNGER than 18 years old would be in, you've not crossed a legal line, just a moral one to ME. But we know I'm the prude in the biz.

18 year old girls do everything they can to look older in real life, not younger. Ergo, you're not portraying a true 18 year old by putting her comic inspired Underoos. That's what 10 year old girls wear and young boys wear.

By putting a technically legal 18 year old in clothing that depicts her as under 18, ergo illegal, I think you're crossing dangerous lines. Ditto with the wearing of the kids Halloween costumes and posting on playgrounds - again something REAL 18 year old girls wouldn't be caught dead doing.

Go to any mall and look at the 18 year olds. They are trying to look 24, not 12. Yet you are filming them in cartoon character underoos - little boy ones at that.

But once again, I am not your target demographic - men who want to see girls that are technically legal but are dressed as children are

I fully expect to be in the minority here

Im sure it would be ok if John Ip did it.

[Forsberg's Dog]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

In this case, comic book fans..

mmmmmmmmmmmmmeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeee

[Peaches]

Yipee! ONE other person agrees with me

(and no, I'm not stuffing the ballot box....)

[Jace]

as long as it is solely for the novelty of wearing underoos

My wife went through too many shoots with fucking perverts that wish she had been 14....from the pig tails to the 12 years old underwear...NEVER again...no offense to those that like that shit, but if you like to see girls in pigtails and wearing underwear that is for 10-12 year olds, you have something seriously wrong and you need help big time

[Hell Puppy]

Originally Posted by Peaches

Yipee! ONE other person agrees with me

(and no, I'm not stuffing the ballot box....)

It was probably Serial.

[Hell Puppy]

Originally Posted by Jace

as long as it is solely for the novelty of wearing underoos

My wife went through too many shoots with fucking perverts that wish she had been 14....from the pig tails to the 12 years old underwear...NEVER again...no offense to those that like that shit, but if you like to see girls in pigtails and wearing underwear that is for 10-12 year olds, you have something seriously wrong and you need help big time

And there-in lies what I think is the important differentiation. If you're trying to portray the model as a child whether it's obvious that they're over 18 or not, then that's a problem.

[Hell Puppy]

Ok, here's another one. I didn't get Peaches response to this last night since she was too inebraited to message properly...and I'm curious....

Are you catering to pedo's if you shoot a model on a playground (with no kids around of course)?

[Peaches]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

And there-in lies what I think is the important differentiation. If you're trying to portray the model as a child whether it's obvious that they're over 18 or not, then that's a problem.

Adults don't wear little kid's underwear. I am willing to bet you a dinner at Bones or Chops (your choice) that no one signs up for that site using the search words "Batman comics".

I have less problems with braces, pigtails and lollipops - at least adults wear braces, pigtails and eat lollipops. They don't wear little kid's underwear!!

(tomorrow night there is going to be animated discussion - I just feel it in my bones )

[Peaches]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

Ok, here's another one. I didn't get Peaches response to this last night since she was too inebraited to message properly...and I'm curious....

Are you catering to pedo's if you shoot a model on a playground (with no kids around of course)?

I said yes - again, 18 year old girls don't hang out at playgrounds. When you portray an 18 year old girl doing things that YOUNGER (i.e. underaged) girls do, IMO, you're crossing the line.

Put someone who obviously cannot be mistaken for someone underaged and it's a different story. Vanilla, for instance, on a playground isn't going to make anyone think she might be under 18.

BUT AGAIN, I am NOT your moral compass. I'm merely stating my personal opinion and we all know I'm a prude, especially when it comes to kids.

And yes, I have a huge problem with the NN underage sites too and I think what you're doing is a helluva lot less worse than those. You're safe on that stance

[Jace]

Originally Posted by Peaches

Adults don't wear little kid's underwear. I am willing to bet you a dinner at Bones or Chops (your choice) that no one signs up for that site using the search words "Batman comics".

I have less problems with braces, pigtails and lollipops - at least adults wear braces, pigtails and eat lollipops. They don't wear little kid's underwear!!

(tomorrow night there is going to be animated discussion - I just feel it in my bones )

believe it or not, my wife and I spent a week a while back trying to find underoos for adults....and a lot of the underwear made for women now is silly and colorful like underoos can be....so, there is a fine line...but if you buy underwear that says on the label "kids 10-12" on it, then there is something wrong

[Peaches]

Originally Posted by Jace

but if you buy underwear that says on the label "kids 10-12" on it, then there is something wrong

THANK YOU!!

[Hell Puppy]

Originally Posted by Peaches

I have less problems with braces, pigtails and lollipops - at least adults wear braces, pigtails and eat lollipops. They don't wear little kid's underwear!!

that's just totally fucked up and illogical.

(tomorrow night there is going to be animated discussion - I just feel it in my bones )

or not, i'm starting to think i might be better off at the press screening for nacho libre....it wont piss me off.

[Peaches]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

or not, i'm starting to think i might be better off at the press screening for nacho libre....it wont piss me off.

Well, since Kathi might not make it either, I guess that leaves me and I can certainly use that time to study

I don't know why any of this would piss you off - this is just the opinion of a prudish old chick. You're not going to lose a dime or any respect from anyone who matters

[Hell Puppy]

Originally Posted by Peaches

I said yes - again, 18 year old girls don't hang out at playgrounds. When you portray an 18 year old girl doing things that YOUNGER (i.e. underaged) girls do, IMO, you're crossing the line.

Put someone who obviously cannot be mistaken for someone underaged and it's a different story. Vanilla, for instance, on a playground isn't going to make anyone think she might be under 18.

So it's ok for Vanilla. And we're agreeing on this point, it's NOT OK to do it if the model looks under 18.

But you know me. You haven't seen a pic or even know what model I'm working with, and you assume I have one that looks like Little April in underoo's?

Thanks for the vote of confidence and trust.

I'm with GonZo on this one, I reckon we're somewhere below John IP on the list.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

I'm with GonZo on this one, I reckon we're somewhere below John IP on the list.

Strange value system.

[Peaches]

OK, so do I start keeping my opinions to myself in fear of pissing you off? I can do that, but you better be prepared to stuff my mouth constantly full of food so I'll shut up.

And no, you're not below anyone - I JUST GAVE YOU MY OPINION ABOUT ONE SITUATION. I swear you're worse than a chick.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Peaches

OK, so do I start keeping my opinions to myself in fear of pissing you off? I can do that, but you better be prepared to stuff my mouth constantly full of food so I'll shut up.

And no, you're not below anyone - I JUST GAVE YOU MY OPINION ABOUT ONE SITUATION. I swear you're worse than a chick.

Im surprised and disgusted that you could even imagine either of us being capabile of such an act.

[Hell Puppy]

Originally Posted by Peaches

Well, since Kathi might not make it either, I guess that leaves me and I can certainly use that time to study

I don't know why any of this would piss you off - this is just the opinion of a prudish old chick. You're not going to lose a dime or any respect from anyone who matters

Let me see if I can 'splain it to ya...

I dont mind a spirited debate....that's why I'm continuing to go back and forth. And I dont expect to agree with you all the time. You take it and give it back as well as anyone I know....even if your logic is sometimes faulty. And you're right, I honestly dont give a shit what anyone thnks about the subject at hand, i KNOW in my heart that I can post the pics, the members will think it's cute and i wont lure a single pedophile with them.

Here's where I get cheesed off...

You rush to judgement against me with very little information, no actual pics, no knowledge of the model. You up and accuse me of going pedo, then in this thread lump me in with scammers and thieves in the industry. Where as if you were doing the same thing, I'd likely say "ok, i assume you know what you're doing" and think nothing more about it.

To me, I take it in much the same way as if I were in your house and some money turned up missing, and you asked if I took it.

[Peaches]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Im surprised and disgusted that you could even imagine either of us being capabile of such an act.

Okee dokee, where did I say you did "such an act"? I merely voiced an opinion over one of the props. I am a prude. I personally don't think it's kosher to put little boy's Underoos on an 18 year old model, and I said so (in private). I probably also wouldn't do a LOT of things you do and there are probably a lot of things I'd do that you wouldn't do - unless you're into men.

Don't turn a molehill into my steep driveway or no one will be going to Disneyworld on Gay Day.

[Peaches]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

Here's where I get cheesed off...

You rush to judgement against me with very little information, no actual pics, no knowledge of the model. You up and accuse me of going pedo, then in this thread lump me in with scammers and thieves in the industry. Where as if you were doing the same thing, I'd likely say "ok, i assume you know what you're doing" and think nothing more about it.

To me, I take it in much the same way as if I were in your house and some money turned up missing, and you asked if I took it.

ASSumption seems to be faulty on BOTH sides then as I've done nothing of the sort. Edited to add: intentionally I've done nothing of the sort.

However, if you are at my house and my boxers with little pugs on them are missing, I'm going to ask you if you took them.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Peaches

Okee dokee, where did I say you did "such an act"? I merely voiced an opinion over one of the props. I am a prude. I personally don't think it's kosher to put little boy's Underoos on an 18 year old model, and I said so (in private). I probably also wouldn't do a LOT of things you do and there are probably a lot of things I'd do that you wouldn't do - unless you're into men.

Don't turn a molehill into my steep driveway or no one will be going to Disneyworld on Gay Day.

Youve got a recent history of making some bad judgement calls.
Ill chalk this one up as yet another one.

[Peaches]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Youve got a recent history of making some bad judgement calls.
Ill chalk this one up as yet another one.

I'll accept that

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Peaches

However, if you are at my house and my boxers with little pugs on them are missing, I'm going to ask you if you took them.

This one is high and tight. I will resist.

[Peaches]

Originally Posted by gonzo

This one is high and tight. I will resist.

They were bought in the MEN'S department at Banana Republic. Think about it - do you think any child's underwear is going to fit over MY big ass?

[Hell Puppy]

Here, I'll help with a pic.... Here's some of our pedophile collection:




My apologies to GonZo if this lures sex-ed and the other pedophiles over to spank their monkey....

Obviously college age girls dont play on slides, so we were clearly trying to make her look 12....

(we need a smiley for dripping sarcasm)

[Peaches]

She's 18?

[Hell Puppy]

Originally Posted by Peaches

She's 18?

At what point have I said any of the models in question are 18?

All I've said is they're "over 18"...

You jumped to the conclusion that we had a 18 year old that probably could pass for 16 or something. Believe it or not, I do actually know what I'm doing.

[Peaches]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

At what point have I said any of the models in question are 18?

All I've said is they're "over 18"...

You jumped to the conclusion that we had a 18 year old that probably could pass for 16 or something. Believe it or not, I do actually know what I'm doing.

*I* have stated several times in this thread (and in my lost messages - I wonder if there's some very confused person on my contact list?) that I was talking about 18 year olds. I'll throw 19 year olds in there too just to hit the teen reference

And yes, I know you know what you're doing. AGAIN, I stated MY OPINION about little boy's underwear in porn shoots. I'm TRYING to agree to disagree on this......

If it makes you feel any better, I'm also against putting clothes on dogs.

[Jace]

wholly moley, when did this turn into a fight?

there are so many sides and lines on this debate and SO many factors to weigh in ..... does the girl look young is the biggest factor, and if you are talking about putting the girl you posted in the pic in underoos, I have NOTHING wrong with that

but when they took my wife who already looked 18 at the time, and put those panties on her and made her look 14, that is where I drew the line....as did she, she never did anything like that ever again

[Hell Puppy]

Originally Posted by Jace

wholly moley, when did this turn into a fight?

there are so many sides and lines on this debate and SO many factors to weigh in ..... does the girl look young is the biggest factor, and if you are talking about putting the girl you posted in the pic in underoos, I have NOTHING wrong with that

but when they took my wife who already looked 18 at the time, and put those panties on her and made her look 14, that is where I drew the line....as did she, she never did anything like that ever again

And I agree with you 100%.

[Hell Puppy]

Originally Posted by Peaches

If it makes you feel any better, I'm also against putting clothes on dogs.

Now you've really gone and done it.

I have an almost religious attachment to white english bulldogs with red sweaters with a big G on their chest.

[Peaches]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

Now you've really gone and done it.

I have an almost religious attachment to white english bulldogs with red sweaters with a big G on their chest.

Now you're telling me you're into bestiality??! I'm warning Meg and Ariel.

Wait a minute....all UGAs have been male....that's GAY bestiality. And Ferd can't run fast anymore

[Hell Puppy]

Originally Posted by Peaches

Now you're telling me you're into bestiality??! I'm warning Meg and Ariel.

Wait a minute....all UGAs have been male....that's GAY bestiality. And Ferd can't run fast anymore

You and your damned assumptions....

For all you know, I could like a female bulldog named Gina who just happens to dress like UGA.

[Peaches]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

You and your damned assumptions....

For all you know, I could like a female bulldog named Gina who just happens to dress like UGA.

So cross dressers appeal to you too. This is getting uglier and uglier.......

[Peaches]

I'm glad Christmas and your birthday are at the same time so I can lump this into one gift:

http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/showthread.php?t=47295