The Will Of The People? Mob Rule?

[Bishop]

I was thinking about something over the weekend.. Gonzo and I will always have lots of work to do. We have a limited amount of time to dedicate to the board and occasionally we go out of town.

What would you regular posters think of the idea of having moderator access that would allow you to ban, delete, and edit pretty much anything or anyone. You wouldn't have to ask our permission you would only have to see a situation that you don't like. You handle it.

This would not be a paid position.. I hate that shit. You don't have to be here all the time.. In fact we might give this access to 20 or more people. I figure there will always be atleast one of you around to deal with stuff that doesn't lend itself to a pleasant environment.

I'm not just talking about the old timers when I ask you guys about this.. if there are some newbies that are making money in this industry and you have a level head.. I see no reason why you couldn't deal with agressive posters.

Note if you have a history of being an aggressive poster you can immediately exclude yourself. The goal is to have responsible moderators that pay attention to what the community has a whole wants. If a moderator doesn't like what they see and people are complaining to them then your toast.

I figure if a big chunk of you have moderator access this place would be more peaceful and you would all feel more comfortable.

I haven't talked about it but there are some changes coming to Oprano. Some things that will be useful to the entire adult industry not just the webmasters. Once the new features have been launched they will either become powerful tools very quickly with user support or they will become
powerful tools slowly because we end up doing all the work. It doesn't make any difference to me how it plays out because the site will always be here, growing slowly or quickly but always growing.

Ok I need opinions.. post here or contact me on icq - 33840775 and give me your thoughts. We may or may not do this.. I want everyones opinion right now. There would be some simple rules and moderators would be held to a higher standard but nothing major.

[gonzo]

Stellar idea!

[Anthony]

Perfect way for the posters who have never made 30k a month in their life to keep up with those who have!

[Nickatilynx]

What about if they ban those of us with an "unfettered ability to post " clause?

[TheEnforcer]

I can see what you mean and understand what you are going for. That said, onne of my big worries is that mod status would be abused and any little thing that gets under someone's skin get deleted or modified. One of the MMORPG terms for PvP play is a "carebear" environment where tough situations causes people to be overly sensitive. Trying to keep the line between still being able to offer the frank assessments and such that oprano is known for while still being able to attract new webamsters and a "carebear" environment where frank exchanges of ideas and such is taken away might be a hard dance to do with such a set-up. Just something to think on.

[Bishop]

Originally Posted by Anthony

Perfect way for the posters who have never made 30k a month in their life to keep up with those who have!

It isn't how much someone makes that matters.. it is how much someone makes me that matters. Everyone should have the same opinion. I'm not concerned with the financial status of the industry people who hang out here. It means nothing to my daily life.

If someone makes $30k a month good for them. Unless I make money off them it doesn't matter. I make money from a healthy community that the opinions of the masses are more important than the opinions of the few.

[Bishop]

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

What about if they ban those of us with an "unfettered ability to post " clause?

You and I don't have a contract Nick. You don't think the opinions of the masses would effect you in a negative way do you?

[Nickatilynx]

Originally Posted by Bishop

You and I don't have a contract Nick. You don't think the opinions of the masses would effect you in a negative way do you?

Oh no , you bought the site without being appraised of all the details....

And that would be a 5k retainer to have you as the current owner sued then

But no , the opinion of the masses has never worried me.

[Winetalk.com]

I am ready to go even futher...
let's chose 10 oldies and give them mod function and 10 newbs.

The battle should rage for 24 hours. The last members standing and the one whop deletes the most post and posters - wins!

[Nickatilynx]

Originally Posted by Winetalk.com

I am ready to go even futher...
let's chose 10 oldies and give them mod function and 10 newbs.

The battle should rage for 24 hours. The last members standing and the one whop deletes the most post and posters - wins!

I'm in!!!

Trouble is first one I wanna ban is you Serge!!!!

ahahahahahahah

;-)))

I've tried to for years!!!

;-)))

[Bishop]

Originally Posted by TheEnforcer

I can see what you mean and understand what you are going for. That said, onne of my big worries is that mod status would be abused and any little thing that gets under someone's skin get deleted or modified. One of the MMORPG terms for PvP play is a "carebear" environment where tough situations causes people to be overly sensitive. Trying to keep the line between still being able to offer the frank assessments and such that oprano is known for while still being able to attract new webamsters and a "carebear" environment where frank exchanges of ideas and such is taken away might be a hard dance to do with such a set-up. Just something to think on.

Valid point.. The moderators would be held to a higher standard. There would be two ways to get in trouble around here.. create an unfriendly environment and abuse admin power. Think of the moderator access as a very large gun. When the trigger has been pulled you had better have a good reason to have done it. Do I expect people to abuse it? Absolutely! Do I think they could make this place worse than what we see it from time to time? NO.

I would rather this place self regulate.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

I'm in!!!

Trouble is first one I wanna ban is you Serge!!!!

ahahahahahahah

;-)))

I've tried to for years!!!

;-)))

you can't...see page #5

[Bishop]

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

Oh no , you bought the site without being appraised of all the details....

And that would be a 5k retainer to have you as the current owner sued then

But no , the opinion of the masses has never worried me.

If you don't feel it would effect you then your in good shape.

[JR]

Originally Posted by Bishop

Valid point.. The moderators would be held to a higher standard. There would be two ways to get in trouble around here.. create an unfriendly environment and abuse admin power. Think of the moderator access as a very large gun. When the trigger has been pulled you had better have a good reason to have done it. Do I expect people to abuse it? Absolutely! Do I think they could make this place worse than what we see it from time to time? NO.

I would rather this place self regulate.

i would tend to agree with you. for whatever reason, be it in life, politics or whatever... the fears are always overstated and the reality will never live up to it.

the only way to know for certain.. is to be bold and take risks.

[Winetalk.com]

"Give me the tired, give me..."

everybody who is negatively affected by Bishop is welcomed at
http://winetalk.com !

..except you, Nick, you don't drink and I'll keep it against you!

[Nickatilynx]

Originally Posted by Winetalk.com

you can't...see page #5

I know!!! LOL

It even predates that.When everyone left YNOT to come to Netpond I agreed to never censor your posts.

FUCK!

[Bishop]

Originally Posted by Winetalk.com

I am ready to go even futher...
let's chose 10 oldies and give them mod function and 10 newbs.

The battle should rage for 24 hours. The last members standing and the one whop deletes the most post and posters - wins!

hahaha.. I'm not proposing a dodge ball team.. haha..

[TheEnforcer]

Originally Posted by Bishop

Valid point.. The moderators would be held to a higher standard. There would be two ways to get in trouble around here.. create an unfriendly environment and abuse admin power. Think of the moderator access as a very large gun. When the trigger has been pulled you had better have a good reason to have done it. Do I expect people to abuse it? Absolutely! Do I think they could make this place worse than what we see it from time to time? NO.

I would rather this place self regulate.

Ok.. thanks for the answer. We'll see what happens. Regardless it will be interesting to watch and observe.

[Nickatilynx]

Originally Posted by Bishop

I would rather this place self regulate.

It has always self-regulated.

Unfortunately the selfregulation involved kicking a lot of newbies in the nuts.

;-))

[Bishop]

Originally Posted by TheEnforcer

Ok.. thanks for the answer. We'll see what happens. Regardless it will be interesting to watch and observe.

It would be an interesting experiment wouldn't it?

[Mike AI]

Imagine if we applied this rule to every human endeavor?

[Jace]

I don't think it woulkd be a good idea to have 20+ people moderating a board that only have 20 new threads a day

but I think the idea that regular responsible posters have mod status is a good idea, and that is the way most boards work. To be honest, I have only seen 1-2 threads (*cough* nick :P) in the past month that I would even consider deleting, and even then I would be hesitant just because I amo not a guy that likes to rock the boat anymore...LOL

I know a few mainstream/porn surfer boards around that have regular members with mod status, it is not an uncommon thing

[Jace]

Originally Posted by Bishop

hahaha.. I'm not proposing a dodge ball team.. haha..

why not? dodgeball is fun too

[Bishop]

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

It has always self-regulated.

Unfortunately the selfregulation involved kicking a lot of newbies in the nuts.

;-))

People who are new to the industry are bad? People who are established money makers in this industry but not as big as you are bad? I don't think so. What some of the old timers think of as morons, and newbies, are making a living doing this type of work.

The opinion of the masses is more important than any of our individual opinions.

[Nickatilynx]

Originally Posted by Mike AI

Imagine if we applied this rule to every human endeavor?

ahahahahahahahahahaah

[Bishop]

Originally Posted by Mike AI

Imagine if we applied this rule to every human endeavor?

Community standards have always had its place in society. We must collectively decide what our standards will be in our community.

[Nickatilynx]

Originally Posted by Bishop

Community standards have always had its place in society. We must collectively decide what our standards will be in our community.

BUZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!

You said "community standards"

ahahahahahahhahahaahahahahahahahahah

;-))))

[Winetalk.com]

Originally Posted by Bishop

Community standards have always had its place in society. We must collectively decide what our standards will be in our community.

How about getting more members? Getting more ad revenues?

I say those are good standards to ANY community.

Regulations are counter productive,
I am all for "free markets" enterprise.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by Bishop

It isn't how much someone makes that matters.. it is how much someone makes me that matters. Everyone should have the same opinion. I'm not concerned with the financial status of the industry people who hang out here. It means nothing to my daily life.

If someone makes $30k a month good for them. Unless I make money off them it doesn't matter. I make money from a healthy community that the opinions of the masses are more important than the opinions of the few.

So you want this place to be just like GFY? Except now you are giving everyone the right to moderate as they see fit.

This idea is about as good as your community radio one back in 2001.

Has that radio idea made any money?

[Bishop]

Originally Posted by Jace

I don't think it woulkd be a good idea to have 20+ people moderating a board that only have 20 new threads a day

but I think the idea that regular responsible posters have mod status is a good idea, and that is the way most boards work. To be honest, I have only seen 1-2 threads (*cough* nick :P) in the past month that I would even consider deleting, and even then I would be hesitant just because I amo not a guy that likes to rock the boat anymore...LOL

I know a few mainstream/porn surfer boards around that have regular members with mod status, it is not an uncommon thing

When you stopped to think about it even you said you would be hesitant. I don't think something like this would be abused as badly as we could imagine. I think those who could would give serious consideration on if they should. There might be some discussion on the topic. I don't for a moment assume that I am the best person to make a decission like that. I'm not as active as some others are. I'm simply one of the caretakers of a site that has a history worth remembering.

[Bishop]

Originally Posted by Winetalk.com

How about getting more members? Getting more ad revenues?

I say those are good standards to ANY community.

Regulations are counter productive,
I am all for "free markets" enterprise.

More members.. Oprano has been picking up alot of new users lately. It is growing very well.. better than many other sites that reach the same market right now. Ad revenue.. it is doing well enough to pay the bills. Do I have higher expectations? Absolutely.

Counter Productive.. maybe.. that is why I posted it to get opinions. I want to know what others think about the idea. I've not made my mind up on it at all.

Free Market.. there are limits in my opinion.

[Winetalk.com]

Bishop, the new MODs should have OPPOSITE opinions and kinda bouter balance each toher...than it will be lots of fun for everybody watching

[Bishop]

Originally Posted by Anthony

So you want this place to be just like GFY? Except now you are giving everyone the right to moderate as they see fit.

This idea is about as good as your community radio one back in 2001.

Has that radio idea made any money?

There will only ever be ONE GFY. It is unique and I wouldn't even consider trying to duplicate something like that.

Community radio.. it served its purpose. People like you are still talking about it. The goal of the radio was for people to say AEBN. It was a massive success. It lived the life it was suppose to lead and did its job.

Money off the radio.. I'm STUNNED that you would think for a moment that was the purpose. I'm totally stunned..

[Bishop]

Originally Posted by Winetalk.com

Bishop, the new MODs should have OPPOSITE opinions and kinda bouter balance each toher...than it will be lots of fun for everybody watching

Honestly I'm much more inclined to have the older crowd around only because I know them better. However there are some new faces that seem pretty responsible in REAL life.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by Bishop

There will only ever be ONE GFY. It is unique and I wouldn't even consider trying to duplicate something like that.

Community radio.. it served its purpose. People like you are still talking about it. The goal of the radio was for people to say AEBN. It was a massive success. It lived the life it was suppose to lead and did its job.

Money off the radio.. I'm STUNNED that you would think for a moment that was the purpose. I'm totally stunned..

What community radio are you talking about? The only one you've ever told me never happened, and made no fucking money. The only reason I bring it up in this thread is to highlight another "community" type of enviroment you want to expand on that you haven't thought would entail manpower, money, and most of all profit wise.

Stop with the stunned shit, you aren't fucking einstein, you didn't come up with the radio idea, Sykkboy did.

I can only think of one radio show format that makes money, and they broadcast out of our office space.

OH, and everyone knows them.

[Bishop]

Originally Posted by Anthony

What community radio are you talking about? The only one you've ever told me never happened, and made no fucking money. The only reason I bring it up in this thread is to highlight another "community" type of enviroment you want to expand on that you haven't thought would entail manpower, money, and most of all profit wise.

Stop with the stunned shit, you aren't fucking einstein, you didn't come up with the radio idea, Sykkboy did.

I can only think of one radio show format that makes money, and they broadcast out of our office space.

I'm not claiming to have come up with anything. I am stunned that you see everything with a dollar sign infront of it.

Some project make money. Some projects support projects that make money.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by Bishop

I'm not claiming to have come up with anything. I am stunned that you see everything with a dollar sign infront of it.

Some project make money. Some projects support projects that make money.

You gotta to be kidding me, I don't need to do something (INTERNET RADIO) 5 times for me to finally GET IT that it MAKES NO FUCKING MONEY AND DOES NOT INCREASE YOUR VISIBILITY AT ALL.

Your attempts at defending why you had a Internet Radio Show that lost money is that it gave AEBN marketing.

Ummmmm, bullshit.

AEBN was the only game in town when you had the radio station, the fucking massive booths, the 120 AEBN employees flown in on company jets, I could go on and on...

Those things put AEBN on the map, not some fucking radio show.

Holy fuck, stop being a sanctimonous pontificating bastard.

[Bishop]

Originally Posted by Anthony

You gotta to be kidding me, I don't need to do something (INTERNET RADIO) 5 times for me to finally GET IT that it MAKES NO FUCKING MONEY AND DOES NOT INCREASE YOUR VISIBILITY AT ALL.

Your attempts at defending why you had a Internet Radio Show that lost money is that it gave AEBN marketing.

Ummmmm, bullshit.

AEBN was the only game in town when you had the radio station, the fucking massive booths, the 120 AEBN employees flown in on company jets, I could go on and on...

Those things put AEBN on the map, not some fucking radio show.

Holy fuck, stop being a sanctimonous pontificating bastard.

Anthony. You know I take things serious. You know me well enough to know I have no patience with you and yet you still fuck about. Why do you stick around? Why do you speak to me out of both sides of your mouth? Publically your are an ass and privately you are social? What is up with that? Why should I tolerate you any longer? If anyone were to read through your post they would assume you hate me. Yet you still keep coming back. Why?

[Anthony]

My last salvo in this whole mob rule idea...

This thread would not exist, if you gave like minded posters Mod powers.

Both of us know that they would have moderated me a long time ago just to show how how well their lips can be contoured to your and Gonzo's spinchter.

You have moved my threads because they made you look bad when you had a traffic boost, and I poked fun at your dead board and how easy it is, to falsify views on this software.

What you want is a place where everyone loves you and gonzo, and you don't have to put with shit, because your moderators vie for the attention of frenching your prostate.

Good idea, go for it!

[Nickatilynx]

Originally Posted by Bishop

Anthony. You know I take things serious. You know me well enough to know I have no patience with you and yet you still fuck about. Why do you stick around? Why do you speak to me out of both sides of your mouth? Publically your are an ass and privately you are social? What is up with that? Why should I tolerate you any longer? If anyone were to read through your post they would assume you hate me. Yet you still keep coming back. Why?

a.) He's bored
b.) He's a bit of a cunt lol
c.) He has a free post pass card given by gonzo to me ,trev , newton and anthony
d.) All of the above


I plump for D.)

;-)))

[Winetalk.com]

...and now everybody should guess:
Will Bishop respnd with:
"You drew the first blood"? in his best impersonation of Rambo's voice.

Will Anthony show his BOOBS!?

the first correct answer wins the valuable prize!

[Bishop]

Originally Posted by Anthony

My last salvo in this whole mob rule idea...

This thread would not exist, if you gave like minded posters Mod powers.

Both of us know that they would have moderated me a long time ago just to show how how well their lips can be contoured to your and Gonzo's spinchter.

You have moved my threads because they made you look bad when you had a traffic boost, and I poked fun at your dead board and how easy it is, to falsify views on this software.

What you want is a place where everyone loves you and gonzo, and you don't have to put with shit, because your moderators vie for the attention of frenching your prostate.

Good idea, go for it!

That makes a world of sense.. I'm suggesting giving everyone else control of the place and I'm some how doing that to make myself a big deal. I'm trying to back away from looking after things on a regular basis and that means I want to be a cool kid? Flawed logic.. your just pissy because you know you have been a pain in other peoples ass and they would collectively walk you to the door. People are not blind.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by Bishop

Anthony. You know I take things serious. You know me well enough to know I have no patience with you and yet you still fuck about. Why do you stick around? Why do you speak to me out of both sides of your mouth? Publically your are an ass and privately you are social? What is up with that? Why should I tolerate you any longer? If anyone were to read through your post they would assume you hate me. Yet you still keep coming back. Why?

When have you bright a stupid ass idea like this to me in ICQ that I HAVE NOT SAID WAS FUCKING STUPID?!

Why should you tolerate me? Jesus Ke-rist Ken, when did you become Brad Shaw? You wonder why you get treated like this?

Feel free to ban me, you have turned into Brad Shaw.

[Bishop]

Originally Posted by Winetalk.com

...and now everybody should guess:
Will Bishop respnd with:
"You drew the first blood"? in his best impersonation of Rambo's voice.

Will Anthony show his BOOBS!?

the first correct answer wins the valuable prize!

hahahha lmao.. that was hilarious.. nice tension breaker.

[Bishop]

Originally Posted by Anthony

When have you bright a stupid ass idea like this to me in ICQ that I HAVE NOT SAID WAS FUCKING STUPID?!

Why should you tolerate me? Jesus Ke-rist Ken, when did you become Brad Shaw? You wonder why you get treated like this?

Feel free to ban me, you have turned into Brad Shaw.

Brad? Whatever that means..

You have known me for a long time you know how to piss me off and yet you do it. Then you call yourself my friend. You have not acted like a friend in awhile now. I have been very patient. If I had to deal with you personally on a daily basis you and I would not get along at all.. or you would be the person I always see in person and we would get along like brothers. Why you are so determined to be a prick on the boards I'll never understand.

[Winetalk.com]

Oh my...Anthony called him "B.S." word!

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...ll&btnG=Search

[Rcourt64]

Hmm, let me start by saying I have alot of respect to you bishop, has I do for a few others here, like Hammer, GonZo, Jace, and a bunch more which is to long to list.
"I look @ them as mentors"

But this moterator thing? well, I don't like it. especially picking people from here to give the power to.

Theres a perfect example of what went on this weekend on here.
I ask a quetion about a monetary issue, and practicly got reemed a new asshole. But at the same time there are the pro's...posting pictures of fucking yogi the bear running in the woods, watching people fuck. and thats ok ?

So who's gonna delete whos post first? what?...Am I suppost to delete winetalk's picture post because I found it stupid? or was he suppost to delete my monetary post because he thought it was stupid?

NO! neither is correct. He has all the right in the world to post all the pictures he'd like. just like I have the right to ask all the "STUPID" question I'd like.
and if it turns into an argument or something, well, then so be it.
I hold no grouch, I take it like a grain of salt.

Alot of you sit there and bitch & complain about how all these fuckin' "Newbies" come joining Oprano and make a little noise trying to learn,
But we don't "qualify" to bump shoulders with the pros.
And then there's are the newbies, who come in all cocky "acting as if they know it all already" of which pisses the pro's off.
it's pathetic, and I think all it's gonna do is cause even more arguing between people here. Maybe you should change the name from "Oprano Webmaster Board" to "As the Oprano turns".

Moderators? "Ya, well I guess so much for that Free Speech Coalition that everyone has on the avatar"

[Bishop]

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

a.) He's bored
b.) He's a bit of a cunt lol
c.) He has a free post pass card given by gonzo to me ,trev , newton and anthony
d.) All of the above


I plump for D.)

;-)))

No such thing as a free pass.

[Nickatilynx]

Originally Posted by Bishop

No such thing as a free pass.

You saying an agreement with gonzo on the sale will not be honoured?

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by Bishop

That makes a world of sense.. I'm suggesting giving everyone else control of the place and I'm some how doing that to make myself a big deal. I'm trying to back away from looking after things on a regular basis and that means I want to be a cool kid? Flawed logic.. your just pissy because you know you have been a pain in other peoples ass and they would collectively walk you to the door. People are not blind.

Why would I be pissy? I'd just leave. The bullshit of being nice to a noob cause you don't know who will be the next green guy is fucking dead and buried. Don't you read GFY? 99 percent of those fuckers are happy making beer money, don't kid yourself, leaving here is no big loss.

Other than fucking with you and spinning you up, there's nothing. If you haven't noticed, is why I'm here.

I'm STUNNED you haven't noticed that.

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