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Old 01-07-2005   #1
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..Army officials are now considering whether to request that the temporary increase of 30,000 soldiers approved by Congress be made permanent. One senior Army official said Thursday that the increase is likely to be needed on a permanent basis if the service is to meet its global commitments - despite the additional cost of $3 billion per year.

...A principal focus will be to address one of the biggest problems facing the military in Iraq today: how to train Iraqi soldiers and police officers to replace the American troops now securing the country. Commanders have expressed disappointment in the performance of many of the Iraqi forces.

...Pentagon leadership was also considering whether to change mobilization policy to allow reservists to be called up for more than 24 months of total active service, which is the current limit.


Meanwhile, the unnecessary deaths of young Americans continue: Guerrillas in Baghdad detonated a roadside bomb on Thursday evening as US Bradley Fighting Vehicle went by, killing 7 American troops. In a separate incident or incidents in Anbar province west of the capital, guerrillas killed two US Marines. It was the highest one-day toll for US troops since the Mosul luncheon bombing in mid-December.

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IMHO this ill advised war will drag on and on.


And the man power necessary.....


Draft?
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IMHO this ill advised war will drag on and on.


And the man power necessary.....


Draft?
They keep saying that there's no draft.... as a mother of an almost 16 year-old, somehow that continued denial still does not make me rest easy....

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Boys will be boys.

As a teenager I was off to the Brtish Military.That didn't last too long.

Now I am like "WTF was I thinking"

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Boys will be boys.

As a teenager I was off to the Brtish Military.That didn't last too long.

Now I am like "WTF was I thinking"

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I'm hoping my son comes around to his senses as well..... *sigh*

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I have no problem with the war, i was just wondering how many soldiers died in the period between when senator Kerry said that we needed more troops on the ground, and Bush said the contrary, only to do a 180 after all the voted were counted. how much blood is on those hands because Bush knew that putting more troops on the ground would have hurt hus reelection campaign.


Well at least they finally caught up, a few hundred needless deaths later


And this isnt mentioning the lack of supplies the troops have, the humvees they drive with plywood floors, the "temporary" soldiers that have now become permanant now that there isnt an election to be won.

Bush has gone in with the right agenda, just abandoned our boys at times when it counted.
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Draft?
yes, more than likely, draft.

since we wont take decisive action, the coninual spreading of our troops too thin, will result in something we dont want, the winning party in the democratic elections in Iraq forcing our hand. the WORST thing possible that could happen at this instance is for one of our other time bombs to blow up in our face. we are ill equipped to deal with syria, or Korea at this time. the soldiers we have over there have been there too long. they need to come home for a while before we ask much more of them. American industry needs to pick up if we are going to escalate this campaign, and most of all, the rest of the world needs to get off its asses and see what is happening, that they too are in danger. grave danger, and its time to stand up for themselves instead of playing the ostrich.
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I have no problem with the war, i was just wondering how many soldiers died in the period between when senator Kerry said that we needed more troops on the ground, and Bush said the contrary, only to do a 180 after all the voted were counted. how much blood is on those hands because Bush knew that putting more troops on the ground would have hurt hus reelection campaign.


Well at least they finally caught up, a few hundred needless deaths later


And this isnt mentioning the lack of supplies the troops have, the humvees they drive with plywood floors, the "temporary" soldiers that have now become permanant now that there isnt an election to be won.

Bush has gone in with the right agenda, just abandoned our boys at times when it counted.
Hey, keep things in perspective here, grimm.

The importance of re-electing GW is worth the lives of a couple hundred folks who would be ditch diggers, truck drivers or jiz moppers if they weren't being all they could be.
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I have read that the UN believes Iraqi non combantants dead from this war far exceeds 50,000.

As an example...

The Crusaders invaded Arabia to bring Chritianity to it even if it meant killing them.
George Bush wishes to bring democracy to them even if it means killing them

(ok..I heard that on the Daily Show last night , but it doesn't invalidate it)
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I have read that the UN believes Iraqi non combantants dead from this war far exceeds 50,000.

As an example...

The Crusaders invaded Arabia to bring Chritianity to it even if it meant killing them.
George Bush wishes to bring democracy to them even if it means killing them

(ok..I heard that on the Daily Show last night , but it doesn't invalidate it)
I would agree with this too... why force democracy down non democratic nations throats... they have their own systems, let them live under it, just dont bring it outside your borders. which, to this point, they have been unable to do.


And the daily show may very well be the most credible news source out there lately
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Nick,

to clarify, i don't think the rest of the world will have a choice... not when it comes crashing down.
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to clarify, i don't think the rest of the world will have a choice... not when it comes crashing down.
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And the daily show may very well be the most credible news source out there lately
More credibile than the 6 o'clock news, funnier than the Tonight Show....
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