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Old 08-30-2004   #1
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It's certainly drawing a lot of people to it.

Nevermind inside, there were approx 400,000 people outside.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/29/...main/index.html
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It's certainly drawing a lot of people to it.

Nevermind inside, there were approx 400,000 people outside.

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Hell call me crazy but the convention is in Manhattan

I'd say there are about 1,537,195 people outside (give or take a few) and that's just on the Island
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I guess unemployment must be higher, look at all the people who have so much free time on their hands.

I will not be shocked if the protests get violent. There are some groups out there who consider themselves anarchists..... If they do start trouble, I hope they get the beat down they deserve from the NYPD.
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I guess unemployment must be higher, look at all the people who have so much free time on their hands.

I will not be shocked if the protests get violent. There are some groups out there who consider themselves anarchists..... If they do start trouble, I hope they get the beat down they deserve from the NYPD.
Kind of like opening day for baseball season? LOL

And I'm sure there are plenty of off duty NYPD's marching along too.
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Gotta book a flight...scored a shitload of oxycontin below wholesale.

NY here I come.
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Will be interesting to see how it turns out - hopefully everything will be peaceful, and there are no major problems.
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Yup, them crazy fuckers that had the gall to not sign "loyalty oaths"...
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Look at the people protesting... these are not average Americans. Most of these groups are way on the fringes of society.
Damed Conservatives keep rewriting the Constitution and the very definition of being an American -- and then completely forget to tell the majoirty of "non-average Americans" about it.

Guess we should be lucky those awful people utilizing their right to protest aren't just shot on sight or put in to concentration camps for disagreeing with the Grand Old Party!

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Mike, I think the whole society is fringe these days. Everyone has an agenda, and everyone has been clustered into special interest groups.

it will be interesting to see if the protests last the entire time, and how much of it gets blamed on Kerry.

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i don't think it's in the democrats/leftists/anti-bushist's best interests for there to be any mayhem or violence.

the major story yesterday was 400,000+ americans against bush, not discussion about the republican platform. this has to piss off the GOP.

if i was a republican strategist i'd have been spending the last year or so setting up naive anti-bush protestors to go around spreading mayhem to try to discredit the protesters and their message.

let's see how things develop over the next few days.
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I saw an interesting item on MSNBC regarding the protestors...aparently there are different factions and a lot of them are just ordinary war protestors who are protesting the war and not necessarily Bush...most have stated they aren't Kerry supporters, they are just opposed to the war.

Of course there was a panel of Republican strategists when this was mentioned, so could be a bunch of horseshit...oh wait, the Republicans wouldn't state something that's not true, right? Or maybe read to much into something...
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I guess unemployment must be higher, look at all the people who have so much free time on their hands.

I will not be shocked if the protests get violent. There are some groups out there who consider themselves anarchists..... If they do start trouble, I hope they get the beat down they deserve from the NYPD.
Mike,

The more I read posts by staunch repubs , the more I see them as not to far off the extremist stance of fundamental muslims , christians etc....

What happened to reason.

The entire republican manifesto is "They are all out to get us , we will protect you"

Admit it!!!!

Bush is a fuck up.

the only people that don't see are "Fundamental Repubs"

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The right wing at least has enough sense to impart a watered down national socialist mindset to it's congregation. To make it easy if/when when the actual implementation comes. They don't forget their roots.

The hippy, pacifist, left wing tards & simpletons would be like deers caught in headlights when an actual marxist ripped their balls off and force fed them to them as a show of support for the proletariat cause.

Marx is turning over in his grave.

The dialectic has been turned into mind-numbing mass marketed, soccer mom, cell phone debates.
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McCain was weak.... Guiliani was good....

I saw the clips from the actor Ron Silver and he pretty much represents my view. I think we need someone who sees islamicists for the world threat they are. We need to defeat them now. After this we can turn country back over to the Clintons.
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Dear Oprano,

I can't tell the difference between the conservative whackos and the liberal ones.

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Colin, good observation...

(sorry, for the following off-topic babble, about behavior in politics/life)

No matter what political idea people belive in, then they trapped with a human brain, which have taken millions of years to evolve, and reacts the same way for everyone - seldom do people elvove, and do something unpredictable... today the power of decision is in the middle - in the compromise. Extreme left and Extreme right will always loose, because they can not compromise, and in our parts of the world we have democracy, which survive because of compromises.

People who are not able to or will not compromise are forced to react in the pattern our brain knows - first starting in the modern parts of the brain, which are more civil in reaction/tone, and if no solution is found, then it continues to go to older parts of our brain, which reacts with anger/frustartion etc., and if still no solution, then it goes to the oldest parts of our brian which are millions of years old and which we share with even the smallest bugs on this planet, the violent part.

In politics, the more left/right a person´s views are, and the more uncompromising his/her views are with the surrounding society, then the more his/her brain will be in contact with the old parts, which makes his/her reaction predictable... and this also why extreme left and extreme right end up using the same methods against the present "middle compromise" society.

The same brain pattern can be found at sporting events - ex. when your team is loosing/winning, then its not your modern parts of the brain, who are making your cheer or curse, but the old parts of the brain... the reactions are predictable, but that doesn´t stop us from enjoying it, since even our old "bug" brain is part of us

(now back on-topic)

This election is going to get close - and no matter what, our industry will loose
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Did anyone else notice Michael Moore at the Republican Convention? I wasn't impressed by him walking into people's unlocked homes in Canada but walking into the Republican Convention? THAT takes nuts.
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I think we need someone who sees islamicists for the world threat they are. We need to defeat them now.
"islamicists" is just the current bogeyman thats coming to get us weak little americans.

today it's "islamicists"
yesterday it was saddam hussein.
5 years ago it was slobodan milosevic.
15 years ago it was saddam hussein.
20 years ago it was muammar khaddafi.
25 years ago it was the ayatollah khomeini.
35 years ago it was the vietnamese communists.
45 years ago it was the korean communists.
55 years ago it was the nazis and the yellow peril.
90 years ago it was the kaiser.
105 years ago it was the spanish.

before that it was the indians, the british, and who knows what else.

do you discern a pattern yet, mike?

it's nothing more than a perpetual ruse to keep the citizens in fear and begging to the mother hen government to keep them safe. as long as they keep you ignorant and scared you'll let them do whatever they want, and they like it that way.

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"islamicists" is just the current bogeyman thats coming to get us weak little americans.
I have been told by integrated muslims, that the Islamists truely wants to kill you and me... what are the integrated muslims gaining from this?
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So you think the millions of people who died as a result of Hitler and say, "the Spanish" were the results of bogeymen?
and how exactly was hitler a threat to the US? not "US interests", but real american citizens? *

in fact, how were any of the examples i gave a threat to americans? and mind you, i left out totally lame made-up examples like fidel castro and nicaragua and who knows what else?

and now we have a never-ending war on terror that the president himself says is unlikely to be won, but that doesn't stop him from extorting hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars a year to go out and wage it.

keeping the citizenry scared is just a tool for cash extraction and power enhancement.


* and sure, hitler was a bad guy and a lot of people died, but that didn't seem to be a problem when stalin was murdering millions, or mao, or pol pot, or north korea, or any of those other places that innocents died. didn't see the US busting ass to save them.

so the US has a selective process about what threats are threats, and what threats aren't. the US did, however, think that they were threats enough to extract more billions from the citizenry to donate to the military industrial complex.
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considering that muslim world population is 1.48 billion i'd say that using your "integrated muslim" friends or "al quaeda" or "osama bin laden" as an example would be too small a survey to come to the conclusion that "muslims want to kill us."
There is a big difference between modern "muslims" and "islamists"... why do think "muslims" have been fleeing from "islamists" (conservative religious) and "wahhabist" (even more conservative religious). To become a muslim it only takes that you belive that "Allah is the only God and Muhammad is his messenger", which takes about 3 sec. to say... Now if I want to be a islamist, then I will have to devote my life to study of the Qur'an, and if I want to be a wahhabist, then I have to live as the first muslims on earth and see everyone else who do not as heretics (even other muslims).


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There is a big difference between modern "muslims" and "islamists"... why do think "muslims" have been fleeing from "islamists" (conservative religious) and "wahhabist" (even more conservative religious). To become a muslim it only takes that you belive that "Allah is the only God and Muhammad is his messenger", which takes about 3 sec. to say... Now if I want to be a islamist, then I will have to devote my life to study of the Qur'an, and if I want to be a wahhabist, then I have to live as the first muslims on earth and see everyone else who do not as heretics (even other muslims).


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I guess unemployment must be higher, look at all the people who have so much free time on their hands.

I will not be shocked if the protests get violent. There are some groups out there who consider themselves anarchists..... If they do start trouble, I hope they get the beat down they deserve from the NYPD.
according to census polls, 2 million more jobless since 2000
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i don't think it's in the democrats/leftists/anti-bushist's best interests for there to be any mayhem or violence.

the major story yesterday was 400,000+ americans against bush, not discussion about the republican platform. this has to piss off the GOP.

if i was a republican strategist i'd have been spending the last year or so setting up naive anti-bush protestors to go around spreading mayhem to try to discredit the protesters and their message.

let's see how things develop over the next few days.
true, but the republican platform has been well discussed. nothing new going to happen here, just a bunch of glad handing, and maybe a handjob between bill oreilly and shawn hannity
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McCain was weak.... Guiliani was good....

I saw the clips from the actor Ron Silver and he pretty much represents my view. I think we need someone who sees islamicists for the world threat they are. We need to defeat them now. After this we can turn country back over to the Clintons.
Ron silver is the king of cinemax movies. every cinemax or hbo original movie has ron silver in it. hes the poor mans andy garcia
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this is the best part so far, from ESPN's page 2



http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...e=keown/040831

This is way off-topic, if that's at all possible, but answer this: How can a guy who gets paid to give his opinion on political and social issues admit on national television, while he's being paid to give those opinions and while he's sitting at the Republican convention, that he hasn't seen "Fahrenheit 9/11"?



And by the way: It doesn't matter what you might think of the movie, but it seems like required viewing for folks in that business, wouldn't you agree, Mike Barnicle?
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thats about as dumb as it gets, you gotta know the questions are going to be asked, so see the movie, that way you dont look like a deer in headlights when the questions are asked.
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what little of the interviews ive seen, ive gotten the impression that the GOP is a bit confused, that the aura surrounding this convention was a little more than they had predicted. They need to adjust.
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Did anyone else notice Michael Moore at the Republican Convention? I wasn't impressed by him walking into people's unlocked homes in Canada but walking into the Republican Convention? THAT takes nuts.
on the bill maher show he announced he would be there, like 2 months ago. he has a media pass, and all required documents to enter.
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