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Between the late night 770 area code prank calls and the absolutely false rumors about lawsuits and investigations you girls (yes you gonzo, mike & serge) are worse than an old woman's knitting circle when it comes to gossip!
So I'll address these issues once here:
1) Wiseman is not an employee, he's a consultant with a contract that we re-evaluate at specific intervals. If you would like to discuss his contract, or his hotel problems, contact him. What I can tell you is that his few embarassing moments have received more PR than the entire bellyflop, rockstar megaball, and every dinner combined. While not intentional, the results have not exactly been bad.
2) While it's incredibly bold and foolishly courageous for each of you to proclaim "death before informing", the bottom line is that we have received federal subpoenas from Microsoft asking us to identify a very small handful of affiliates who were apparently spamming using very specific technical practices that we required each affiliate to commit to abstaining from. Unless you are fond of spending millions battling Microsoft over something that does not involve you or are eager to spend time in prison for contempt of court I believe each of you would do the same.
3) We do not make any marketing decisions without a full audit of those activities by our legal counsel. While there are people who are being sued as a result of installation methods, those lawsuits are based on contract violations with their distribution partners, NOT on any criminal or class bases. The FTC has issued a clear statement regarding it's stance on adware and it has made a very clear decision to remain laissez-faire out of the belief that markets will dictate a guideline of acceptable practices. I think they are right. You are welcome to your own opinion.
4) Unless you have super secret decoder ring knowledge that I do not, we are not being investigated for anything by any government agency. Opranitwits who live in glass houses should not wish for stones. Each of you has your own secrets, I know most of them, and trust me that as long as you continue to lambast me I will find out the rest.
I find it curious that each of you seem to have a loud "keyboard warrior" voice with regards to me, my companies and my practices, but when I sit 10 feet from you eating sushi, walk by your booth, or share a meal with you... you look the other way or make polite conversation instead of discussing your apparently "deep" concerns.
Show some cohones! If you have a problem with me or my practices then icq me, call me, or e-mail me. As of yet each of you officially certified keyboard warriors has yet to contact me but instead hide here where you can edit posts and control the flow of any discussion.
Costco is selling coffins, perhaps it's time that you re-evalutate your business models instead of spending your days gossiping.
Mike, I'm sorry Purecash is failing. Why did you get into the megasite business? It's a dying business.
Serge, I'm sorry you're bored. Glad to see your travels are enjoyable and that you and Sue are working out.
Gonzo, I still think you're a fat worthless fuck and have as of yet to figure out what you do other than flapping your gums and eating donuts.
Whine, Complain, Accept it.... you're on to step 2.
Since I am failing and cannot afford to retire, I will keep my nose to the grindstone.
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Hooper if you have any proof of me prank calling you [which you dont] report me to the phone company and have my phone yanked.
Accept what? How you rolled over on all your mailer buddies?
Besides...we all were at the show....I guess you were busy bailing out your "consultant".
Thought you retired from posting on the boards.
Be sure to hold the back of Brads head so he gets all of your cock in his mouth.
BTW....when you gonna get that one goofy assed flop ear fixed?
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Hooper you had the sack to come out and post your side
I can acknowledge that even if I don't agree with it
Please allow me to break down just one issue with you -
wiseman and your affiliation with him
Someone could have died because of his actions, tonight a child somewhere could be crying because their parent was dead because a drunken fool can't control their actions
Fuck the everybody's talking about it, can you live with someone in your employ, cashing your checks, representing your company killing someone because they can't control their drinking?
I'm not even talking about what an ass he made of himself in the lobby, but is that the image you want?
Let's even bring it back to business. Ken reps/works with a lot of companies and a lot of business. Think any of them are throwing business your way?????
If he's your friend, clean him up, hell even if he's not your friend clean him up
Alcoholics need to hit bottom before they sober up, make that his bottom
I don't need to address the family issues, everyone in the family is big/strong/smart enough to do that for themselves IF they choose
We all have the morals we can afford
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1) Wiseman is not an employee, he's a consultant with a contract that we re-evaluate at specific intervals. If you would like to discuss his contract, or his hotel problems, contact him. What I can tell you is that his few embarassing moments have received more PR than the entire bellyflop, rockstar megaball, and every dinner combined. While not intentional, the results have not exactly been bad.
Hooper I tried to call you with another prank call but you wouldnt answer so Ill ask this question here. Since you say Wiseman is a consultant....one must assume that you both are consultants. I recall you annoucing that your company was sold to an offshore comapny and you would remain on as a consultant....so who is this WE that evaluates yalls contracts?
Thats who Id like to talk to. Not the hired help.
Oh I was going to give you a number of a good hair stylist too. Cuz word has it your still sporting that ROTC hair cut from high school.
And I can pass along a nice FFN Mens Shop for Wiseman too.... a fat slob I may be but theres plenty of pictures of me out there and I look like Im custom styled compared to your sweaty partner in crime that has selective blackouts.
Tell your wife I said hello!
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but now I'm really pissed off! I've been busting my ass trying to spread rumours about Hooper and microsoft (so I was told by hooper yesterday) and I don't even get a mention in this whining post?!?!?
LMAO
give him a while to respond knitters, he has to clear everything with his lawyer first.
Worse than wiseman's behavior in Florida is the spin the 2 of you are putting on things since the event happened. Instead of being a man, apologizing and accepting that he is an alcoholic who should learn to not drink if he can't control himself, he's got some story about 'blacking out' and is now trying to say someone spiked his drink?!?!?
puhlease.
what a load of shit.
Did he think of that by himself or did your lawyers come up with it?
I've had some great times with Ryan at shows in the past, and always liked him. You and I ... well, we both have big mouths - there's bound to be disagreements. From my perspective, you are both decent people who have turned into absolute cockheads since you started to become financially successful.
Save your spin for the newbies on the other boards, the rest of us know you well enough to know when you are trying to dig yourself out of a hole.
I said all of this to you on icq yesterday and I'll be happy to sit down and share another smoke with you and discuss it in person as soon as I make it to your continent.
If you can't seem to understand why people don't believe you, try to stop telling lies ... it works really well.
The check's in the mail, there is no such thing as summer slow-down,
I did not have sex with that woman, GWB is a wanker, and I blacked out...
"One of these things is not like the others,
One of these things just doesn't belong,
Can you tell which thing is not like the others
By the time I finish my song?"
Originally posted by XXXPhoto@Aug 18 2004, 03:40 AM The check's in the mail, there is no such thing as summer slow-down,
I did not have sex with that woman, GWB is a wanker, and I blacked out...
"One of these things is not like the others,
One of these things just doesn't belong,
Can you tell which thing is not like the others
By the time I finish my song?"
From what I understand the check was NEVER in the mail.
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1) Wiseman is not an employee, he's a consultant with a contract that we re-evaluate at specific intervals.
are you sure he didn't buy 1/2 of your business a year ago for $100,000? In case you forgot, you were making those offers a year ago left and right
;-)))
Originally posted by Hooper@Aug 17 2004, 10:19 PM the bottom line is that we have received federal subpoenas from Microsoft asking us to identify a very small handful of affiliates who were apparently spamming using very specific technical practices that we required each affiliate to commit to abstaining from.
like AOL did with CEN. CEN paid about 5 mils to make AOL go away,
and don't believe for one second you are off the hook, Hooper,
they'll get you, you are too juicy and too plumy to let alone.
.....and if I am wrong-
send me a coffin from Costco, you'll have the money to buy one
;-)))
Originally posted by Hooper@Aug 17 2004, 10:19 PM Each of you has your own secrets, I know most of them, and trust me that as long as you continue to lambast me I will find out the rest.
I guess it's a confession time,
I'd rather confess than see you go out of your way and embarass me in public.
It's true:
I fucked my house keeper and my ex's cousin. I was young and naive, watching porn movies, I thought it was an acceptable practice in America
;-))))
Originally posted by Hooper@Aug 17 2004, 10:19 PM Show some cohones! If you have a problem with me or my practices then icq me, call me, or e-mail me. As of yet each of you officially certified keyboard warriors has yet to contact me but instead hide here where you can edit posts and control the flow of any discussion.
you should have ended this paragraph with:
"...and you don't bring me flowers anymore"
;-)))
Worse than wiseman's behavior in Florida is the spin the 2 of you are putting on things since the event happened. Instead of being a man, apologizing and accepting that he is an alcoholic who should learn to not drink if he can't control himself, he's got some story about 'blacking out' and is now trying to say someone spiked his drink?!?!?
puhlease.
what a load of shit.
I beleive it!
it was either Hooper himself
or confucy!
They tried to poison Wiseman and molest him afterwards! No wonder he was drawn to Costco coffins posts and refferenced it several times....fucking necrophiliac!
Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Aug 18 2004, 05:38 AM-->
QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Aug 18 2004, 05:38 AM)
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Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Aug 18 2004, 05:28 AM I fucked my house keeper and my ex's cousin. I was young and naive, watching porn movies, I thought it was an acceptable practice in America
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Heh. Pretty funny. If we learn what is right and wrong from watching other people - and we pretty much do - we are all fucked - and we are. Porno or not, fucking the housekeeper and your wife's cousin is normal.
- With Jerry Springer as my witness I hereby testify.
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the bottom line is that we have received federal subpoenas from Microsoft asking us to identify a very small handful of affiliates who were apparently spamming using very specific technical practices that we required each affiliate to commit to abstaining from
So do subpoenas "asK" ? LL? I thought they demanded.
Lawsuits "ask" I bellieve.
I thought you accepted email?
If I was asked then whether quickbucks accepted email , I would be "forced" to say yes too I guess.
one of the things I find odd about this whole mess is that some of the same people who were condemning Easton for snorting coke publicly (which did harm to no one but himself) are patting Wiseman on the back and excusing the behavior to drunkenness......
pardon me while I go back to my cross stitch (sorry, knitting is for pussies)
Originally posted by Hooper@Aug 17 2004, 07:19 PM 1) Wiseman is not an employee, he's a consultant with a contract that we re-evaluate at specific intervals. If you would like to discuss his contract, or his hotel problems, contact him. What I can tell you is that his few embarassing moments have received more PR than the entire bellyflop, rockstar megaball, and every dinner combined. While not intentional, the results have not exactly been bad.
I assure you, your outlook on this is false.
If you do not think so, then perhaps your judgement is blinded by the friendship you have with him. I've never done business with you, i've never had a complete moral issue with what you do, I really don't care, but I will avoid your business as long as you continue to maintain a relationship with him, and there are plenty of more people out there like me.
Hoop, I have no personal beef with you, just the way you conduct business now. Sometimes it is nice to see Karma work her magic.
Isn't that the truth!
I invented spyware. All the stuff you see out there is based on my software. I was doing "nifty" things even longer ago than the Gator company or WhenU.
So when I see folks get in trouble for their clone of my stuff - I just can't help but smile.
I've got a safe full of signed non-disclosures, non-competes. Maybe if I get bored enough, I'll hand em' over to the attorney's and have a day of reckoning. :nyanya:
Hoop, I have no personal beef with you, just the way you conduct business now. Sometimes it is nice to see Karma work her magic.
Isn't that the truth!
I invented spyware. All the stuff you see out there is based on my software. I was doing "nifty" things even longer ago than the Gator company or WhenU.
So when I see folks get in trouble for their clone of my stuff - I just can't help but smile.
I've got a safe full of signed non-disclosures, non-competes. Maybe if I get bored enough, I'll hand em' over to the attorney's and have a day of reckoning.
Why wait? People have money in their pockets now. After M$ and others are finished there won't be much left.
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Originally posted by Mike AI@Aug 19 2004, 10:16 PM
Quote:
I invented spyware.
Why wait? People have money in their pockets now. After M$ and others are finished there won't be much left.
Yeppirs, grab that cash while it's hot......
Sooner you get a hold of it we can file that big old class action suit on you for inventing the stuff to begin with.......
(lesee a couple of million puters each with clean up of anywhere from 1 to 10 hours billable at $100.00 per.. then of course there's the lawyers fees in there and all the filing costs and...hmmm... You better get about as much bucks together as a tobacco company has)
I'm no more responsible for what others are doing with their version of my stuff than a car company would be if you get behind the wheel and decide to drive through downtown on the sidewalks. That was an incredibly poorly thought out response.
Mike,
I'm right in the middle of some new mainstream software and starting a company around that. I've shown my new stuff to some people and am securing 5 million in funding to start and a 2.5 million line of credit - bored isn't something I am right now.
I don't think I could adequately explain how exciting it is to have large corporations in the mainstream arena calling you every day asking how they can be a part of what I'm putting together - giving me THEIR corporate acolades - and why I should choose their company to do business with.
Originally posted by Bama@Aug 19 2004, 11:47 PM Sarah,
I'm no more responsible for what others are doing with their version of my stuff than a car company would be if you get behind the wheel and decide to drive through downtown on the sidewalks. That was an incredibly poorly thought out response.
First of all it's sarettah not sarah.
sarettah=big ugly dude, sarah is probably pretty cute, don't know her.
Secondly, it was a joke, as evidenced by the "yowsa" face at the bottom... Like that, ya know.
Thirdly, the liquor companies, tobacco companies, gun companies have all been held accountable for the way a user uses their product. It is simply a matter of time before that happens to a car company. It will happen in the computer biz too.
Originally posted by Bama@Aug 19 2004, 08:47 PM I don't think I could adequately explain how exciting it is to have large corporations in the mainstream arena calling you every day asking how they can be a part of what I'm putting together - giving me THEIR corporate acolades - and why I should choose their company to do business with.
Remember to cover EVERYTHING (including multiple exit strategies) before making any agreement - moral in mainstream is only as good as the signed contract, and even then there will be lawyers trying to twist every word around.
I lost my business "innocents" to a big mainstream company, who whispered sweet words in my ear, and told me it will not hurt - then they screwed me, and never called back...
However I learned from it, gotten wiser and stronger, but damn it was an expensive lesson in business life
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HOLY SHIT! is that BAMA!? coming out of the woodwork?
he is WAY ahead of everone on this issue..although i do not think he intended this type of software to get so malicious.
We talked about this in VEGAS '02 almost 3 years ago...wow has it been that long?
Hope everything has been working out for you BAMA!
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Sarettah,
You're right, I read your name wrong and don't worry, I'm a member in good standing of the big-ugly dude club. I get a little touchy when I see people have taken my baby and turned it into a malicious monster when they didn't have to in order for it to be an EXTREMELY profitable software program.
Rolo,
Thanks for the heads up. I'm taking small and very careful steps on this one.
Jim,
Damned good to see ya'. Yea, it's been that long since we've talked in Vegas. I've been doing great. The stuff I'm doing now I've had on the back burner for 3 and a half years and decided it was time to move from adult to mainstream and put this software into play.
It's easy to sit back and dream your future and what you think something is worth but over the last 2 days my phone is ringing off the hook and one of them is a CEO of a company that sells over a billion dollars worth of products a year and we usually speak for a hour and a half each time.
With a company doing that kind of business, I have to figure he's a pretty busy guy - so it's nice that successful business people also see the value in what I'm building and want to be a part of it.
I've already had my first buyout offer and the software isn't even completed yet
If you guys ever give up on knitting and wanna play scrabble or spades let me know.
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Originally posted by Bama@Aug 20 2004, 10:02 AM I get a little touchy when I see people have taken my baby and turned it into a malicious monster when they didn't have to in order for it to be an EXTREMELY profitable software program.
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Originally posted by Bama@Aug 20 2004, 10:02 AM I get a little touchy when I see people have taken my baby and turned it into a malicious monster when they didn't have to in order for it to be an EXTREMELY profitable software program.
Just out of curiosity, what was your baby originally ? Just wondering because I trace the roots of lots of the scumware flying out there back to various different ideas/programs, most of which had at some point a very legitimate use.
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