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Nick dont tell her that biz man A & B are the same person.
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the Vick says this ........
the Vick says "it's much ado about nothing"
Furthermore the Vick says "if the affiliate was worth a damn the sponsor would have kept them and that's why it's much ado about nothing"
and now the Vick says "if you don't play pretty I won't sit between you at dinner"
and that's the bottom line because .....
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Nick dont tell her that biz man A & B are the same person.
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Nick dont tell her that biz man A & B are the same person.
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All boards are a stage , and we ? We but mere players hawking our wares ;-)))
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I disagree.
I think we have businessmen on both sides who want to do whatever they can to make as much money as they can 
The problem seems be that when Businessman A says he doesn't want to do business anymore with Businessman B, Businessman B says they are required to. :P
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Sponsors do have the option of terminating anyone they want for whatever they want. I don't really think that is relevant to the conversation - I don't think anyone is questioning that.
What I think they are questioning is the WISDOM of terminating the account over the use of the thumb in that manner. I repeat again - being "suprised" that it was being used that way indicates a lack of research on the part of the sponsor program. Everyone and their mother has an opinion on traffic trading and skim ... what people think it "ought to be" has been discussed more than (well, okay, almost as much as) Confucy's identity; if you are offering a promotional tool for use in the market, you ought to know what the market actually IS.
PROFESSIONALS probably would communicate with the "offending" webmaster before terminating the account (which was done) and/or going to the boards (which does not appear to have been the case).
Sykk - while your arguement about the banner is a lot closer to relevant than much of what has been posted, I still don't think it plays. Use of a sponsor banner or a sponsor-provided thumb to send traffic to another sponsor would be a obvious violation of the terms of use. Use of the thumb in such a manner for legitimate trading is a lot more in the gray ... the intent is to generate fresh credit cards/checking accounts, er, eyes to the sponsor.
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Just cuz you started out Old School dont mean you cant stay current!
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I disagree.
I think we have businessmen on both sides who want to do whatever they can to make as much money as they can
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Sponsors do have the option of terminating anyone they want for whatever they want. I don't really think that is relevant to the conversation - I don't think anyone is questioning that.
What I think they are questioning is the WISDOM of terminating the account over the use of the thumb in that manner. I repeat again - being "suprised" that it was being used that way indicates a lack of research on the part of the sponsor program. Everyone and their mother has an opinion on traffic trading and skim ... what people think it "ought to be" has been discussed more than (well, okay, almost as much as) Confucy's identity; if you are offering a promotional tool for use in the market, you ought to know what the market actually IS.
PROFESSIONALS probably would communicate with the "offending" webmaster before terminating the account (which was done) and/or going to the boards (which does not appear to have been the case).
Sykk - while your arguement about the banner is a lot closer to relevant than much of what has been posted, I still don't think it plays. Use of a sponsor banner or a sponsor-provided thumb to send traffic to another sponsor would be a obvious violation of the terms of use. Use of the thumb in such a manner for legitimate trading is a lot more in the gray ... the intent is to generate fresh credit cards/checking accounts, er, eyes to the sponsor. [/quote]
I'm not disagreeing that it might not be SMART to allow this kind of trade. I even said several times that if the sponsor is cool with it, then of course there is no problem.
This doesn't seem to be the case with this particular sponsor. Again, as I said before, if s/he loses money by not accepting this practice, then so be it. 'Tis why I brought up the apples and oranges - a sponsor who wants to make money this way ISN'T the same sponsor that doesn't Then there's the revelation from Gonzo that the TGP owner and the sponsor are the same person, so I guess both sponsors could also be the same person
But IMHO, the sponsor has the right to decide how the content he legally owns the rights to gets used and has the right to decide to terminate an affiliate who doesn't do what they want them to do with it.
With that, I'm off to the store to buy toothpaste, deodorant, aspirin, a rain coat, small canoe and all the other crap I need to take for the trip. 
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I disagree.
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Sponsors do have the option of terminating anyone they want for whatever they want. I don't really think that is relevant to the conversation - I don't think anyone is questioning that.
What I think they are questioning is the WISDOM of terminating the account over the use of the thumb in that manner. I repeat again - being "suprised" that it was being used that way indicates a lack of research on the part of the sponsor program. Everyone and their mother has an opinion on traffic trading and skim ... what people think it "ought to be" has been discussed more than (well, okay, almost as much as) Confucy's identity; if you are offering a promotional tool for use in the market, you ought to know what the market actually IS.
PROFESSIONALS probably would communicate with the "offending" webmaster before terminating the account (which was done) and/or going to the boards (which does not appear to have been the case).
Sykk - while your arguement about the banner is a lot closer to relevant than much of what has been posted, I still don't think it plays. Use of a sponsor banner or a sponsor-provided thumb to send traffic to another sponsor would be a obvious violation of the terms of use. Use of the thumb in such a manner for legitimate trading is a lot more in the gray ... the intent is to generate fresh credit cards/checking accounts, er, eyes to the sponsor.
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I'm not disagreeing that it might not be SMART to allow this kind of trade. I even said several times that if the sponsor is cool with it, then of course there is no problem.
This doesn't seem to be the case with this particular sponsor. Again, as I said before, if s/he loses money by not accepting this practice, then so be it. 'Tis why I brought up the apples and oranges - a sponsor who wants to make money this way ISN'T the same sponsor that doesn't Then there's the revelation from Gonzo that the TGP owner and the sponsor are the same person, so I guess both sponsors could also be the same person
But IMHO, the sponsor has the right to decide how the content he legally owns the rights to gets used and has the right to decide to terminate an affiliate who doesn't do what they want them to do with it.
With that, I'm off to the store to buy toothpaste, deodorant, aspirin, a rain coat, small canoe and all the other crap I need to take for the trip. [/quote]
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Gadzooks I've been had
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A nice big glass of STFU was delivered.
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A nice big glass of STFU was delivered.
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Silence is golden , so they say ;-)))
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Sykk - while your arguement about the banner is a lot closer to relevant than much of what has been posted, I still don't think it plays. Use of a sponsor banner or a sponsor-provided thumb to send traffic to another sponsor would be a obvious violation of the terms of use. Use of the thumb in such a manner for legitimate trading is a lot more in the gray ... the intent is to generate fresh credit cards/checking accounts, er, eyes to the sponsor.
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ok, what if I put a button of YOUR TGP but link it to another TGP 30% of the time?
wouldn't I get blacklisted from the TGP?
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A nice big glass of STFU was delivered.
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BREAK!!!!!!!!!!
We seem to have a conflict....
We have ...
employees who want to protect there companies copyrighted material.
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As I said before, they can buy content. Or as you said before, use text links.
Let's put it another way ... if one is a businessman, why put their profits in jepeordy unless they are an idiot? A businessman wouldn't. Therefore they're no businessman.
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I don't give a fuck what any of you think!!!
According to this thread it is still 1998.
It says it is here!!! Look!!! Its 1998
I'm going with that.
This board does not exist..
nah nah nah
Half of you are not even online
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I don't give a fuck what any of you think!!!
According to this thread it is still 1998.
It says it is here!!! Look!!! Its 1998
I'm going with that.
This board does not exist..
nah nah nah
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TGP , free hosts....they were always about the skim , if they were run right. ;-)))
There is nothing new under the sun.
Gonzo , its like trying to explain "The shave" to gfyers.
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Originally posted by Vick@Aug 11 2004, 12:06 PM
the Vick says this ........
the Vick says "it's much ado about nothing"
Furthermore the Vick says "if the affiliate was worth a damn the sponsor would have kept them and that's why it's much ado about nothing"
and now the Vick says "if you don't play pretty I won't sit between you at dinner"
and that's the bottom line because .....
oh shit I summoned Austin when doing the Rock
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Sooo....
Peaches and Sykkboy -- should we go ahead and let all of the Thumb TGPs out there know that they shouldn't use Weg, Purecash and Evil Genius Cash galleries because they dont want any of their pics being used as a preview thumb that might go someplace other than their gallery?
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Sooo....
Peaches and Sykkboy -- should we go ahead and let all of the Thumb TGPs out there know that they shouldn't use Weg, Purecash and Evil Genius Cash galleries because they dont want any of their pics being used as a preview thumb that might go someplace other than their gallery?
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The only time I'd have an issue is if it went to a different sponsor...
as long as the thumb TGP is actively promoting the program, I'm quite flexible
just like mailer traffic...if it's producing, it's easy to overlook a little heat....
let's make this about communication...
email me sykkboy@evilgeniuscash.com if you wish to promote us on thumb TGP's and I'll work with you on it...no different than working with guys who promote us via Yahoo groups....
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So let me get this right .... because none of you understand the point peaches was trying to make, she is stupid and you are all geniuses?!?!?
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHA
Nick, if you had've SKIMMED right, you'd have retired by now and not still be here with us minions discussing whether thumbs should click to sponsors or other tgp's!!!
Gonzo, if you had've built a paysite on your domain back in 94 when you registered it, you'd be retired too instead of posting here trying to convince us you know everything about tgp's!!
Peaches is making a point here about how sponsors see the standard tgp 'SKIM' procedure and the problems it causes for them ... instead of trying to understand her point, you make smart assed comments about crayons and drawing diagrams and act like you have won some imaginary battle that is only happening in your heads?!?!
Being that you are all planning on building some big fancy tgp to end all tgp's, wouldn't you think the smartest thing you could do at this point is LISTEN?! listen to EVERYBODY, not just those whose ideas support your theories?!
Don't you want good sponsors with unique content in your tgp?!
Don't you want profitable sponsors in your tgp?!
Where my celeb content is concerned, I will not accept a tgp using the thumbs for the skim ... I'm happy to discuss alternative methods because i understand why the skim exists, I'll even code alternatives at our end if something else can be agreed upon, but for legal reasons, the thumbs can not be linked to anywhere else but these sites.
I would explain the reasons further, why this is the most profitable for me & for the tgp, why it makes sense, why it is a smart business move, why it is legally necessary etc, but its clear how ya'all feel about appreciating someone else's position so why bother?
Its no surprise that Nick only cares about 1 persons interests, but Gonzo, I thought you would at least try to consider the views of those who are outside looking in ... especially when those people have valuable knowledge that you don't possess yourself.
It comes down to this .... there are more big tgp's than there are big sponsors these days. Finding the right one to work with has never been so important. 1000 unique visitors is still only 1000 unique visitors, even if it can be inflated to 100 000 clicks in a tgp circle jerk. While turning those 1000 visitors into 100 000 clicks is the core of a successful tgp & the smokes and mirrors game, it doesn't help the *sponsor* find the 1000 visitors and get them to make a purchase.
I could list my upcoming galleries at 1 in every 50 tgp's and get almost the same amount of *people* visiting my site as those who submit to every single tgp out there ...
If you've got a different perspective to share, I'm all ears, I love learning ... THANK YOU to HP, PD and sykkboy for your views and the way you shared them - very interesting & informative.
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Originally posted by cj@Aug 12 2004, 01:16 AM
Gonzo, if you had've built a paysite on your domain back in 94 when you registered it, you'd be retired too instead of posting here trying to convince us you know everything about tgp's!!
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93.... and there was no way to build a paysite other than using a BBS system and RIP graphics. Which I did build but the software I ran only supported 12 lines. 12 concurent users never made anyone rich at $20 a year.
However I had zero chargebacks....we processed thru Teleflora among others or people mailed me a check or cash along with an application and a drivers license.
ISDN was limited to 256K so even though I installed it...it never worked. Had it worked I would have found out like so many others did that netusers looking for porn saturated that line.
It was as it is now...all about the traffic/numbers.
Had Fred Clark and the rest of the boys at Salt Air BBS made the version of PCboard/Metaworlds actually work under OS/2 and delivered it... it could have been a different story. What you call cgi scripts we called doors. Prior to 93 I had everything from NGS [nasty grey shit] porn pics...animated .fli and grasprt films...a full dating service whith pics that tied into a horoscope system and several games [all running on ONE 286 at best box under DOS 5.0 and Desqview. 93 I added newsgroups which had 7 bit files which you converted to 8 bit which was as close as you could get to a paysite along with what you know as email [we didnt have @ signs we had a bang path with !'s in between]. It was all that free content that BBS Sysops uploaded to get people to call their systems. They used BIG old watermarks with their BBS name and number. Kind of the same comparison to this conversation as they were all glad for me to download them and make them availible for PAY to my users. It allowed the user to see that there was more out there than GonZoland BBS. Most of those early content producers [Lee Noga wasnt the first] we all knew personally and face to face. Some of the Big Boys were names like Rusty and Edies....granma and granpa running a HUGE server farm in their house under a T1..[got shut down when the Feds chopped the T1 in half with an axe for running and distributing pirated software. Novell didnt fuck around then either.] MacHenry, Windy City/The General, and Amatuer Action. Of course then there wasnt a any clicking going on ...Windows was out I think maybe v. 1.0...so we didnt have these complex issues.
Damn I miss those days. Come home open the mailbox cash the check. Updates were automated machine ran without any intervention.
Even back then though... I never claimed to know everything about those systems. Hell all the techies thought us Adult Sysops were the scum of the earth and we'd never make any money. Them internet domain names was a waste of time and resources...
Im actually more accomplished at Picpost than I am TGP. And up until 4 months ago I was way behind on the TGP curve. What Ive learned since then is that its still about the traffic. If Ive offended anyone or made them feel belitted by making that point I am sorry. The Hun/Shemp/AL4A/World Sex... Im not... nor will I ever claim to be.
I do know that TGP traffic is powerful stuff. Hell Ive been known to send it to my own paysites instead of another sponsors....as well as some AVS. Who knows your own traffic better than you? Working with it you can skim it...slice it...dice it and scatter and smother it if you want. I think they used to call skimming from a thumb to another group of thumbnails TGP2 or something. I remember that it was called cheating when I did it. My point is this. Traffic is essential to your business no matter how or what you are marketing. I hope at least a few of us can get together and effectively trade that traffic without fear of toolbars and other bullshit.
If you cant sell it.....maybe I can and vice versa. Some of you want to submit to a TGP and actually get listed by following a few common sense rules that allow you to make a sale. We want to give you a place to do that as well. And last but not least all the sponsors want traffic. This accomplishes that as well. Its my personal goal to bring the users of this resource a tool that they can use. We hope to accomplish this with the TGP.
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08-12-2004
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Originally posted by Hell Puppy@Aug 11 2004, 11:09 PM
Sooo....
Peaches and Sykkboy -- should we go ahead and let all of the Thumb TGPs out there know that they shouldn't use Weg, Purecash and Evil Genius Cash galleries because they dont want any of their pics being used as a preview thumb that might go someplace other than their gallery?
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Seriously, what is so freaking hard to understand this?
It means if a sponsor, ANY SPONSOR, like the guy who started this on the other board, doesn't want THEIR CONTENT used to go to another site, then you either DON'T DO IT, or you terminate the relationship between the two of you.
Geeze, it just amazes me that you guys, especially since you're IN the content biz, are saying someone doesn't have the right to STOP doing business with someone who uses their content when they don't want them to!
Just for shits and grins, let's say stopping that TGP from using his content to send to other sites will bankrupt him the next day. WHY DO YOU CARE? It's HIS content! He has every right to tell you how he wants it used or to go pound sand. There are many people in this biz who make sacrifices for their beliefs. His beliefs are that he doesn't want his content, his own wife in this instance, used in the way it was being used so he exercised his right to cancel the affiliate.
Would it be OK with you if someone used a thumb of your exclusive content to go to a bestiality TGP? What about a TGP with nothing but child porn? After all, it's all about "trading traffic" right? Those are rhetorical questions since based on what you've been fighting against, I'm not sure I want to hear the answers 
I'm not debating that it makes more money. I'm not debating that it's a good idea. I'm not debating that most if not all TGPs operate this way. Heck, I'm not even debating that the guy is cutting off his nose to spite his face. I'm debating the simple fact that in MY MIND, a content owner/sponsor has the right to terminate a relationship with ANYONE THEY WANT for any reason.
Bottom line - if a sponsor doesn't care, then it's a non-issue and this would have NEVER come up. But in this case a sponsor DID care, terminated the relationship and demanded the thumbs be removed. Why on God's green earth you guys are so bent out of shape because this one guy doesn't want to play in your sandbox is beyond me. 
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08-12-2004
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Originally posted by cj@Aug 12 2004, 02:16 AM
Where my celeb content is concerned, I will not accept a tgp using the thumbs for the skim ...
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No, cj, that is NOT your perogative. Period. End of discussion. <_<
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08-12-2004
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I like it squishy and wierd.
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Originally posted by Peaches+Aug 11 2004, 07:55 AM-->| QUOTE (Peaches @ Aug 11 2004, 07:55 AM) |
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Originally posted by LadyMischief@Aug 11 2004, 11:42 AM
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08-12-2004
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I like it squishy and wierd.
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TGP, TGP Submitting etc is not a simple or quick process.. it's time-consuming, intensive, and for those who actually make money, requires thought and planning. The last person someone promoting a program wants to do is worry that their partner accounts are going to start recieiving cease and desist orders and their accounts are getting shut down because someone was unimpressed with a "skim" or traffic trade. The fact of the matter is, if a tgp is to grow, they need an infusion of traffic..and since nothing in life is free, it only makes sense that if you are getting traffic, you will be required to send traffic in return. This system ensure the continue productivity of tgps, and hence to the galleries listed there. Without clicks, no gallery will produce. Programs that make it more trouble than it's worth to submit galleries on their behalf simply won't be used. Why? Because there are 50 other programs that are willing to accept those 5 people who didn't get through to the gallery, maybe pushed the back button and had a 5 second inconvenience and actually looked at the gallery and clicked through to the site. TGP traffic can be an extremely valuable resource, however as soon as tgp owners are restricted and forced to comprimise the potential for c and ds or gaining traffic.. Well put yourself in their shoes. They already spend hours every day maintaining their system, in the cases of most large tgps.. If they have to sit and babysit and control every single spot and monitor every single gallery to ensure that someone who might not like it doesn't get "skimmed" or traded.. Well a few hours of work becomes 12, 15, 24 hours, considering the number of submissions the larger networks get. And are they supposed to keep a masterlist of the programs that don't want to be skimmed? Pretty soon it wouldn't be worthwhile at all. Comprimise is an important part of good business, but realizing when comprimise is moving in to the realm of sacrificing producitivity, profit, efficiency, etc, well.. It's not quite as worth it then.
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Originally posted by cj@Aug 11 2004, 10:16 PM
Where my celeb content is concerned, I will not accept a tgp using the thumbs for the skim ... I'm happy to discuss alternative methods because i understand why the skim exists, I'll even code alternatives at our end if something else can be agreed upon, but for legal reasons, the thumbs can not be linked to anywhere else but these sites.
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Ok CJ I wanted to address the point you made here about your celeb content. lets say I have a TGP thats getting maybe 50k raw a day, thats a great amount of hits. I get that because I run a script on my site (we'll call it CJUltra) I set my 'skim' at 30%. it's a bit high, but workable with good trades. Now I am not linking your thumb to anything BUT your gallery, it just so happens that out of every 10 clicks 3 of those will be redirected to another TGP.
Knowing how I would choose to do business I am not going to be doing any trades with TGPs that have questionable content on them. I mean really, what would it benefit me to link to a CP TGP or a beasty TGP? It wouldn't benefit me at all and could potentially cause me quite a bit of drama I don't want. So, all my trades are going to other good TGPs.
So I see Cleb Bling and go "OH OH OH! what great content. I think I will sign up as an affiliate and promote it heavily on my sites", using both galleries and banners. The galleries would include thumbs included on my fancy assed thumbs TGP.
You would come along, click on the thumb a few times, get redirected to another legit TGP and promptly cancel my affiliate account?
I am just curious because your answer will go a long way in determining who and how i promote other sponsors on my upcoming TGPs.
As for me, both being a sponsor and working for a large sponsor, I have the opinion that a skim is acceptable, as long as it isnt promoting another sponsor or something along those lines. By all means list my galleries if you have a skim so long as the skim is limited to traffic trades with other TGPs/MGPs
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Originally posted by LadyMischief@Aug 12 2004, 05:45 AM
TGP, TGP Submitting etc is not a simple or quick process.. it's time-consuming, intensive, and for those who actually make money, requires thought and planning. The last person someone promoting a program wants to do is worry that their partner accounts are going to start recieiving cease and desist orders and their accounts are getting shut down because someone was unimpressed with a "skim" or traffic trade. The fact of the matter is, if a tgp is to grow, they need an infusion of traffic..and since nothing in life is free, it only makes sense that if you are getting traffic, you will be required to send traffic in return. This system ensure the continue productivity of tgps, and hence to the galleries listed there. Without clicks, no gallery will produce. Programs that make it more trouble than it's worth to submit galleries on their behalf simply won't be used. Why? Because there are 50 other programs that are willing to accept those 5 people who didn't get through to the gallery, maybe pushed the back button and had a 5 second inconvenience and actually looked at the gallery and clicked through to the site. TGP traffic can be an extremely valuable resource, however as soon as tgp owners are restricted and forced to comprimise the potential for c and ds or gaining traffic.. Well put yourself in their shoes. They already spend hours every day maintaining their system, in the cases of most large tgps.. If they have to sit and babysit and control every single spot and monitor every single gallery to ensure that someone who might not like it doesn't get "skimmed" or traded.. Well a few hours of work becomes 12, 15, 24 hours, considering the number of submissions the larger networks get. And are they supposed to keep a masterlist of the programs that don't want to be skimmed? Pretty soon it wouldn't be worthwhile at all. Comprimise is an important part of good business, but realizing when comprimise is moving in to the realm of sacrificing producitivity, profit, efficiency, etc, well.. It's not quite as worth it then.
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I like it squishy and wierd.
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I know that most TGP owners are too lazy and "old school" ;-))) to do this, but if they really wanted to be safe, then just have 2 pages - one with trades/skimming/galleries, and another with just galleries... now put that high quality content thumb on the page with no skimming, and filter your traffic to go to each page - problem solved...
Yeah - I read the argument about replacing the sponsors with another one who didnīt mind skimming, however Iīm willing to bet that if the sponsor was the exclusive owner of the "Britney Spears fucking Bush, and Kerry - in a 3some with a strap on dildo" video, and the sponsor had hosted galleries, then many TGPs would find ways to combat their "old school" ideals about TGPs ;-)))
Also who knows, what TGPs will learn, when they start filtering between 2 pages - one with the concept of trade and the other to sell... they might even make more money, if they get creative with their scripts instead of running on auto pilot ;-)))
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