does anyone convert anymore? - Page 2

aeon · 06-22-2004

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Originally posted by Greg B@Jun 22 2004, 06:17 AM
The only way you don't convert is because either you or someone else doesn't want you to convert.

Gotta do a bit of investigatin' and it'll turn up who wasn't paying attention.

Get 'fan' traffic. That traffic is loyal to the bone and they sell by word of email to their friends which is better than opt-in. THEN you hit em' with affiliates that you KNOW are honorable. Don't gypp your fans, they're better than friends, they PAY.

Greg, you're in a different category here...you have fans that are loyal cause yer an artist - my traffic isn't artist based. Conversions are down across the board for me...across multiple sponsors with the same price/niche. I don't think people cut the shavomatic on in unison.

It's obviously a different situation for you. You have fans that follow you from your mainstream comic work to online and they're loyal cause they won't see your stuff anywhere else. On top of that, Cyberage is one of the few sponsors that openly tells people to do test sign ups...

Vick · 06-22-2004

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Originally posted by Greg B@Jun 22 2004, 09:17 AM
The only way you don't convert is because either you or someone else doesn't want you to convert.

Gotta do a bit of investigatin' and it'll turn up who wasn't paying attention.

Get 'fan' traffic. That traffic is loyal to the bone and they sell by word of email to their friends which is better than opt-in. THEN you hit em' with affiliates that you KNOW are honorable. Don't gypp your fans, they're better than friends, they PAY.

Please allow me to qualify your statement

If you are pushing 100+ joins per day personally your statement then has some validity

If you are under 100 joins per day we may be speaking in different fields

Yes fan base traffic can be very loyal and profitable but it is challenging to control enough to make a daily impact

Peaches · 06-22-2004

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Originally posted by Jim@Jun 22 2004, 03:22 PM
Weg is by FAR and away the best converting sponsor for us right now.....

i use them every chance i get...but you need more than 1 sponsor....

Just wanted to make sure everyone saw this. :P

BTW, if you haven't tried the new Purecash yet, you REALLY need to. Great conversions there, too

Jim · 06-22-2004

Peaches....i will always talk highly of WEG.....who does everyone answer to over there nowadays?

i may be interested in some cross over stuff...

I do have a site that is slightly different than adult and it is converting just fine....never changes day in day out.....

SykkBoy · 06-22-2004

The processors seem to be scrubbing a bit harder too
we use a cascading billing system and have steered a majority of our sales through epoch as ccbill just seems to be scrubbing harder. We've also seen a mini-spike in web900 sales (really, they are only about 1% of sales normally, but now it's been closer to 2%) and we've just added/are still adding a couple more billing solutions and seeing a few extra % here and there and once they are fully implemented, hope to see this save a handful of sales we'd normally have lost.

We've also been working harder on retaining members since actual acquisition is a little tougher (especially for a new program that isn't dazzling affiliates with promises of high signups and pictures of ferarri's, etc. or other fancy, shiny objects). We're adding extra levels of interactivity to keep members busy and wanting to come back instead of just forgetting to cancel. We're also looking to spin off some of our more popular models onto their own single girl websites and increase the awareness of our girls. We're already seeing more SE traffic searching for our sites (still not sure why a surfer would search for "busty amateur boobs" instead of just typing in the dotcom).

It's going to take a little more creativity in this industry to draw the attention of surfers. In this day and age of TGP surfers used to fresh, new content everyday, exclsuive content will be more important than ever before.

We're also looking into DRM and playing games with the P2P crowd. and well as looking at "portable porn" (cell phones, PDA's, etc.)

Last edited by SykkBoy at Jun 22 2004, 03:33 PM

Peaches · 06-22-2004

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Originally posted by Jim@Jun 22 2004, 04:24 PM
Peaches....i will always talk highly of WEG.....who does everyone answer to over there nowadays?

Me. I have taken over! :P

Jason and Jordan are still running the show

email me at peaches@wegcash.com and let's put something together - ditto with Purecash stuff - I'm multisponsored

Jim · 06-22-2004

Peaches...you have mail.

it will be interesting to say the least!

SykkBoy · 06-22-2004

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Originally posted by Jim@Jun 22 2004, 06:35 AM
Sykk......will do!
i am actually looking for smaller programs to start new relationships with.......

my traffic is growing every day and i am way too stubborn to think that it is ALL crap....

sounds like a plan...
hit me up and we can discuss what you need

Opti · 06-22-2004

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Originally posted by Vick@Jun 22 2004, 12:40 PM
Jim - I'll say what most are afraid to

This has been one of the worst weeks ever (which is really odd as I had one of the best weeks of the year just 2 weeks ago)

That's funny Vick.... I didn't realise that was an across the board thing!

I have had the same experience... 2 weeks ago was best week of the year so far... then last week was a bummer... and just ok so far this week.

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It might sound funny, but from my point of view it seems Americans stopped looking at porn

what do you guys think ??

I think Slav is closest to the truth of what is driving market changes.

Apart from being "over it", many US surfers have just spent near their limit they want to ever spend on web porn now imho. Couple with that the efforts of some major programs to only concentrate on CC billing for US surfers whilst pushing the rest off to dialers and toolbars and whatnot... and I wouldnt be surprised at all if convert ratios are getting far worse on average for most people.

Jim · 06-22-2004

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ounds like a plan...
hit me up and we can discuss what you need

Sykk...already signed up and i will be working things out over the next week or so...

the new program *** **** is not ready for public consumtion yet but hopefully soon...

then we will be rollin'!

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I think that through all of the issues raised here, that it all boils down to the surfer is much more net savvy nowadays. We knew this was coming. Statistically it had to happen.

There will need to be much more thought put into creativity and value. Don't get this confused with deceptive marketing. Simply stated, we're going to have to provide the surfers with shock facter, 'OMG! I have to join this site'-factor.

How do we do this?

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06-22-2004	#54
Jim Members Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 254	Peaches....i will always talk highly of WEG.....who does everyone answer to over there nowadays? i may be interested in some cross over stuff... I do have a site that is slightly different than adult and it is converting just fine....never changes day in day out..... __________________ It don't mean a thing if you ain't got the BLING! (coming soon!)

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SykkBoy Polishing the Chrome on Bishops Motorcycle $100 for every ImLive sign-up Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Hell: Bowels : Level 9 Posts: 4,153	The processors seem to be scrubbing a bit harder too we use a cascading billing system and have steered a majority of our sales through epoch as ccbill just seems to be scrubbing harder. We've also seen a mini-spike in web900 sales (really, they are only about 1% of sales normally, but now it's been closer to 2%) and we've just added/are still adding a couple more billing solutions and seeing a few extra % here and there and once they are fully implemented, hope to see this save a handful of sales we'd normally have lost. We've also been working harder on retaining members since actual acquisition is a little tougher (especially for a new program that isn't dazzling affiliates with promises of high signups and pictures of ferarri's, etc. or other fancy, shiny objects). We're adding extra levels of interactivity to keep members busy and wanting to come back instead of just forgetting to cancel. We're also looking to spin off some of our more popular models onto their own single girl websites and increase the awareness of our girls. We're already seeing more SE traffic searching for our sites (still not sure why a surfer would search for "busty amateur boobs" instead of just typing in the dotcom). It's going to take a little more creativity in this industry to draw the attention of surfers. In this day and age of TGP surfers used to fresh, new content everyday, exclsuive content will be more important than ever before. We're also looking into DRM and playing games with the P2P crowd. and well as looking at "portable porn" (cell phones, PDA's, etc.) Last edited by SykkBoy at Jun 22 2004, 03:33 PM __________________ ADULT PAYMASTER - All Site Access - Paying $70 October 5th! "Love your enemies...just in case your friends turn out to be bastards." - unknown

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Jim Members Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 254	Peaches...you have mail. it will be interesting to say the least! __________________ It don't mean a thing if you ain't got the BLING! (coming soon!)