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Old 06-05-2004   #1
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93 is one long life.

reagon seemed like a pretty good guy. i wonder if the casket will be billed to the gov. as 300 grand though.
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I know this will come across as heartless, but in his condition, this is a blessing. For him and especially for Nancy.

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After IKE (which most of you know little about his presidency) Reagan 'had it all.......... if nothing else - GREAT RESPECT.
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"They counted on America to be passive.
They counted WRONG."

Rest in peace, Gipper. You were a true gentleman and one of the best Presidents this country has ever seen. May you finally have peace.
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for me Reagan will ALWAYS be associated with his address to Gorbachev:
"Mr President, time to tear up the wall"
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He was an interesting man. I liked the person and persona.

I even respect that of many presidents he was able to get his agendas accomplished.

It's just a shame that most of his initiatives he rammed through -- ketchup as a school vegetable, Secretary of the Interior Watt trying to sell national parks to oil companies, the trickle down effect of giving massive breaks soley to the very very rich, and a few thousand other "wonderful memories" -- were very damaging and lacking in both compassion and smarts.

So while I dispised his politics. The man will be missed.
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Serge, I know how you love proper quotes...

"General Secretary Gorbachev, if you seek peace, if you seek prosperity for the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe, if you seek liberalization: Come here to this gate! Mr. Gorbachev, open this gate! Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!"

I remember that speech; man was it powerful.
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I saw late last night on Drudge that he was doing poorly.

Reagan is one of the top 5 Presidents of all time. He was President during my formative years, he is what I think of as THE President.

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for me Reagan will ALWAYS be associated with his address to Gorbachev:
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"Mr. Gobachev, tear down this wall."
Most powerful words to be said in the past 2 decades and probably for many more to come
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Serge, I know how you love proper quotes...

"General Secretary Gorbachev, if you seek peace, if you seek prosperity for the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe, if you seek liberalization: Come here to this gate! Mr. Gorbachev, open this gate! Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!"

I remember that speech; man was it powerful.
Carrie, thanks for bringing up the original,
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If there's a hell, Reagan is just checking in.
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I just saw them carrying pickets that said "make love, not war. They looked like they couldn't do either" - Ronald Reagan.

I love to see hippies die...it's like watching a virus be destroyed or a rat exterminated. One less potential infectious agent.

When Abbie Hoffman died, I smoked a bowl and pissed on a copy of "steal this book". That was a great day for humanity.
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You would say anything to get attention. You are so non-comfirmist!! I stand in awe.

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I just saw them carrying pickets that said "make love, not war. They looked like they couldn't do either" - Ronald Reagan.

I love to see hippies die...it's like watching a virus be destroyed or a rat exterminated. One less potential infectious agent.

When Abbie Hoffman died, I smoked a bowl and pissed on a copy of "steal this book". That was a great day for humanity.
I know what you mean.

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when I gave Labret too much attention,
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Reagan was a good President.. his administraion was a good time in the US for lots of people. It is a shame that he is gone.. but he has been 'gone' for a long time. Rest In Peace Mr. President.
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I love to see hippies die...it's like watching a virus be destroyed or a rat exterminated. One less potential infectious agent.

When Abbie Hoffman died, I smoked a bowl and pissed on a copy of "steal this book". That was a great day for humanity.
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he was a great man. The best president since Ike. But never forget behind every great man there is a woman. In this case....Maggie.
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he was a great man. The best president since Ike. But never forget behind every great man there is a woman. In this case....Maggie.
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First time I ever voted, I voted for Reagan...

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A great president who sadly died twice, once when he lost his faculties, and once today. I didn't agree with his policies, I don't agree with his ideals, but I can respect a man who can communicate his vision as well as he did.

He was already missed... and he will be missed more.

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PS: Nancy and all of the family must be bot sad and VERY relieved. She had said a while back that he had finally "gone", she couldn't reach him anymore at all. His passing is a blessing.
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he was a great man. The best president since Ike. But never forget behind every great man there is a woman. In this case....Maggie.

Reagan and Thatcher were one HELL of a team!

I think what you see above is as far as their physical relationship went.
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la la laaa laaa I can't hear you...

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"Great" is a term as overused and misused as "hero."

Reagan was a great man, and he will be remembered as one of the most important people who rose to power in the United States, not unlike Pericles or Caesar. The positive, global, long term effects of his presidency will truly be recognized universally sometime in the distant future.
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Out of curiosity, why of those who think Reagan was a good president, could you tell me why you think that?

Other than delivering a few good lines well that his speech makers wrote, this thread is surprisingly devoid of substantive answers. Serge? Mike? Want to list some highlights of what he did that you appreciate?

(Now, please don't include anything that any other president would have done had they been in that they reacted to; I'm talking about things he did proactively and profoundly.)

Btw, not trying to start a piss. Really. Not even trying to degregrate someone a lot of people here idolized. I just keep seeing the words "great president" and "positive effects long remembered", but other than a few snappy quotes, perhaps in your remembrances, a few actual examples of what and why would be deserving.
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Lower taxes....

Smaller government...

Putting more power in the hands of the states....

And creating a military of such might and technological advances that all of our enemies spend themselves to death without ever firing a single shot.

Ahhhh....it's a shame we do not have anyone who is even a tenth the leadership ability as Reagan running today. He was sharp as a tack, and he truly was "The Great Communicator". When he would address the nation it was like having your dad or grandpa talk to you. He had the ability to explain everything in terms everyone could understand and make you feel it was gonna be alright.

And my favorite Reagan quote: "Government is not the solution, it is the problem...."
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Out of curiosity, why of those who think Reagan was a good president, could you tell me why you think that?

Other than delivering a few good lines well that his speech makers wrote, this thread is surprisingly devoid of substantive answers. Serge? Mike? Want to list some highlights of what he did that you appreciate?

(Now, please don't include anything that any other president would have done had they been in that they reacted to; I'm talking about things he did proactively and profoundly.)

Btw, not trying to start a piss. Really. Not even trying to degregrate someone a lot of people here idolized. I just keep seeing the words "great president" and "positive effects long remembered", but other than a few snappy quotes, perhaps in your remembrances, a few actual examples of what and why would be deserving.
1. Substantial tax cuts
2. Substantial military modernization and build-up
3. Started SDI
4. Bombed Libya
5. Crushed the Evil Empire
6. Helped reverse Carter's disasterous economic legacy.
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Ronald Reagan's economic legacy:

Trade deficit Current Account Deficit
Year ($ Billions) ($ Billions)
1981 -34.6 +8.2
1982 -38.4 -7.0
1983 -64.2 -44.3
1984 -122.4 -104.2
1985 -133.6 -112.7
1986 -155.5 -133.2
1987 -170.3 -143.7
1988 -137.1 -126.5

This is what happens when you cut taxes and increase defense spending.
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Ronald Reagan's economic legacy:

Trade deficit Current Account Deficit
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1981 -34.6 +8.2
1982 -38.4 -7.0
1983 -64.2 -44.3
1984 -122.4 -104.2
1985 -133.6 -112.7
1986 -155.5 -133.2
1987 -170.3 -143.7
1988 -137.1 -126.5

This is what happens when you cut taxes and increase defense spending.
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what exactly the correlation between
"cut taxes and increase defense spending and....trade defecit"?????

please refrain me from your own amateurish interpretations I've seen plenty of and I am not impressed,
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Reagan was a great man, and he will be remembered as one of the most important people who rose to power in the United States, not unlike Pericles or Caesar. The positive, global, long term effects of his presidency will truly be recognized universally sometime in the distant future.
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I wouldn't bet money on it.
we, the human beings, have a very short memories.

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Serge, am I going to have to explain the concept of deficit spending to you?
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Serge I provided statistics for both the trade deficit and current account deficit.

My remarks were referring to the current account deficit 1980-1988.
you did NOT....
you said TRADE defecit, do you know what TRADE defecit is?

Is it good or bad? What TRADE deficit a function of?

tsk-tsk, Japan in those year had trade SURPLAS, and what happened to Japan in the 90's?
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no, I'll spare you, I ONLY would like to see the explanation of how
DEFECIT SPENDING correlates with TRADE defecit.

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