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Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Apr 16 2004, 07:52 PM pardon me, sire, but you said Strauss was selling shovels
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I did what? When? Where? I am sure that I have never discussed shovels with anyone on any board. Would be very interested in seeing a link to where I did.
I just did a search to verify, but you are the first one to discuss shovels, followed by Carrie, and then myself when quoting Carrie, but even then, I only addressed the cost of Levi's.
Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Apr 16 2004, 07:52 PM and you are right...what the fuck American Professors teach RUSSIAN history in all US Universities?????
As I have not attended all the US Universities, nor taken Russian History, I really have no idea what the nationality ratio is of professors teaching the subject.
I do know that if you are the professor teaching California History, I am the student that is taking the course simply because I knew it would be a piece of cake, and you would probably just give me an A and request that I become your TA.
Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Apr 16 2004, 07:53 PM Baddog, I swear not to argue with you about California's history if you see the flaws in youir LOGIC
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You may have a deal, but first, my logic on what subject?
baddog - you seem like a reasonably decent guy from your posts
But your interview showed you don't know dick about business or at least this business
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I think when it comes to building successful websites the primary focus should be on not confusing the surfer.
Who cares WTF you do to a surfer as long as they make you $$$
Everyone here at Oprano know a surfer is not your friend, they are a commodity
[quote]As far as successful programs go, honesty is number one./QUOTE]
No making $$$$ is #1, if you're successful you make $$$
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Cheating. Cheating the surfer by making the Terms and Conditions so difficult to understand you need legal counsel to decipher them. Including cross sells automatically. I know this position may not be a very popular one,
YOU are the problem, stop holding a surfers hand and make $
When asked what advice to give a newbie the answer is GET THE FUCK OUT THERE IS NO $ TO BE MADE
and the Levi Strauss shit is old, Raw Alex posted something like that 2-3 years ago on Netpond
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Shaving. I will never understand why someone would stay with a program that they know are shaving them. As long as program owners know they can get away with it, it will continue, but I personally don't think it needs to be an accepted practice
You missed the boat, what matters is who pays you the most. All programs are smoke and mirrors
I have never understood how a cj makes money. I do know how to make money from them by offering them value for their dollar. Go with what you know. Honesty and trust have always held a lot of importance to me. Sorry that is how it is.
To me it is easier to make money if you are honest. I led my life of crime in a prior life, yeah the money was easy, but having to look over my shoulder was a PITA. I will stick with my current path, thanks anyway.
If you don't think fucking with surfers is what has caused most of our recent problems with Visa, then I don't think you are paying attention.
Telling newbies there is no money to be made doesn't work. I would rather have them trust me, become my affiliates, and generate a handsome income, thus filling my coffers in the process. If no one else wants them, I will gladly take them off your hands.
I have no idea who Raw Alex is, and have never read anyone else use the Gold Rush analogy. I however have used it in prior interviews, which I can provide the links to if desired. To be honest, I have done reports in fucking grade school about the Gold Rush and my knowledge of life in the Gold Rush towns and who made the money is something I have known for at least 35 years. I don't need to read someone elses post on some board to come up with these ideas on my own. For all I know, he read my interview and used my analogy himself.
I have been ripped off by enough programs in my early years to know what works for me. My program (SexPicturesPass) does not shave, and will not shave and my affiliates know this.
Who knows, maybe I will never end up being a multi-millionaire, but I am happy with my life, and I enjoy the fact that no one can come spouting off somewhere that I ripped them off. Even if they hate me, think I am a total asshole, they know I am an honest asshole. I have quit jobs because they put my integrity and reputation at risk. Does that make me a fool? Who knows.
I know that my ethics have set an example for my two kids, and that is really more important to me than any amount of cash.
Vick, I am looking over your post again, and wondering if you even read the questions I was giving the answers to.
Question: What do you think is the most important element necessary to build a successful website or web program?
You suggest the answer is "No making $$$$ is #1, if you're successful you make $$$"
Granted making money is important, but until you can get people buying or promoting your site/product it is a little difficult. I know that my reputation accounts for why I was able to bring in almost 600 affiliates in a little under a year. I guess I could make my money by pulling something like AdultCheck did, but again, I am in this for the long run.
As far as confusing the surfer goes, I look at a lot of sites that are submitted to my AVS. I see what makes sales and what doesn't. For some reason you decided to use just the first sentence of that reply. Try reading the entire response:
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I think when it comes to building successful websites the primary focus should be on not confusing the surfer. Make sure that your site clearly reflects what it is you are trying to sell. In other words, don't make a tour using pictures of Jenna and Aria, and try to sell them a membership to ebony, amateur midget paysite.
That is what I mean about not confusing the surfer. How many TGP galleries have you seen with an ebony gallery trying to promote an Asian paysite? It happens a lot. That is what I was talking about.
Hey, but thanks for reading it . . . it means a lot to me.
BD, since I refuse to pay more than I have to just because of a name sewn in a spot no one will ever see, I only buy Levis when they're on sale. Why pay $50 when you can wait a few weeks and get 'em for $20 or so?
You're gonna have a hard time convincing these guys that completely straight and narrow is the way to go. If it works for you, fantastic - more power to ya! But trust me, the crowd here sees that talk as naive. They've patted me on the head and said "aww how cute" for saying the same things and what can I say... they have a lot more money than I do. Different strokes for different folks, your mileage may vary, and all that good stuff.
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Legend has it that the reason saloon owners would put sawdust on the floors is so that gold miners would not notice when flakes or small pieces of gold would fall from their pockets, etc. onto the floor.
At the end of the night, the sawdust was swept up by the owner and inspected for any fallen gold.
Originally posted by baddog@Apr 17 2004, 04:29 AM but again, I am in this for the long run.
hmmmm another fallacy.
This is the most common excuse from people who couldn't dig enough gold when it was abundant and in the nuggets form.
They now mine gold dust and even the gold in molecular form
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Originally posted by Monk@Apr 17 2004, 05:28 AM Legend has it that the reason saloon owners would put sawdust on the floors is so that gold miners would not notice when flakes or small pieces of gold would fall from their pockets, etc. onto the floor.
At the end of the night, the sawdust was swept up by the owner and inspected for any fallen gold.
that is something I never knew.
My first interview for Oprano.com is going to be with the gold rush guru, "Baddog" I will ask him the hard hitting questions on the gold rush and the after effects that came from it. This interview promises to suck. That is 100% masterp74 Guarantee.
Originally posted by baddog@Apr 17 2004, 04:03 AM I have been ripped off by enough programs in my early years to know what works for me. My program (SexPicturesPass) does not shave, and will not shave and my affiliates know this.
Hey BD
Without shaving (either purposefully or inadvertently) please explain how you can track unique hits coming from an ISP that uses dynamic ips and server caching if the surfer turns off his/her cookies ? How do you guarantee that the webmaster who sent the surfer to the front door gets credit for the sale made 10 pages in an hour later ?
Originally posted by Monk@Apr 17 2004, 05:28 AM Legend has it that the reason saloon owners would put sawdust on the floors is so that gold miners would not notice when flakes or small pieces of gold would fall from their pockets, etc. onto the floor.
At the end of the night, the sawdust was swept up by the owner and inspected for any fallen gold.
Does not surprise me. Since people were in the habit of paying for theiir drinks with gold dust (the bartender would take a pinch) the saloon owners would hire bartenders with huge hands so they could get bigger pinches.
Originally posted by baddog@Apr 17 2004, 09:16 AM
If the surfer turns off his cookies (which I really don't think happens that often) then a different affiliate may get credit for the signup. Not a hell of a lot I can do about that.
Do much work with Internet Explorer?
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Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Apr 17 2004, 05:39 AM
re-read the California's history-Californioan-Russian-Russian professors train of thought and TRY to see your allogisms without me chewing it down for you
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Well, if you had not made false accusations (ie: I said Levi Strauss sold shovels), as well as throw in your mistaken impression about things (ie: LS got his start during the Klondike Gold Rush) it would make it a little easier.
However, I will admit that it has given me some food for thought, and in a couple hours I will have my revised "Oprano version" of my interview ready.
Originally posted by baddog@Apr 17 2004, 09:16 AM If the surfer turns off his cookies (which I really don't think happens that often) then a different affiliate may get credit for the signup. Not a hell of a lot I can do about that.
That is not shaving in my book, shaving is when I take a certain percentage of your signups and just don't give you or anyone else credit for the signup, and just keep all the profit for myself.
Ok, when you cannot associate the signup with any affiliate, then who gets the credit. If you are a typical program, then you get the credit (rightfully so).
This inadvertently becomes a shave of sorts. A certain percentage of signups to your site are not going to be trackable under any circumstances. If the program takes those signups, then the webmaster who sent them is not going to get credit for them. It is not a purposeful shave and a really really good program might go to lots of extra effort to make sure that if they can associate the signup in any way, they do. But there will always be a certain percentage out there that the program gets to keep for itself.
Originally posted by sarettah@Apr 17 2004, 06:22 AM
Ok, when you cannot associate the signup with any affiliate, then who gets the credit. If you are a typical program, then you get the credit (rightfully so).
Like I said, if the surfer turns off their cookies, and is brought in by one affiliate, but ends up signing up through another one, that affiliate will get the credit for the signup. Nothing I can do about that. I do my best.
Originally posted by sarettah@Apr 17 2004, 06:22 AM
This inadvertently becomes a shave of sorts. A certain percentage of signups to your site are not going to be trackable under any circumstances
I don't know how your program works, I do know how ours works. I know exactly which site in our system has either brought in the surfer, or has made the sale (depending on if cookies have been turned off or not).
Our system is a little different than the average program. You would have to have to check it out I guess in order to understand.
Originally posted by baddog@Apr 17 2004, 10:58 AM I don't know how your program works, I do know how ours works. I know exactly which site in our system has either brought in the surfer, or has made the sale (depending on if cookies have been turned off or not).
Our system is a little different than the average program. You would have to have to check it out I guess in order to understand.
ROTFLMFAO..................
I have been doing webtracking software for a long long time now. I can say DEFINITIVELY that there is absolutely no way to give credit on every sale to the appropriate webmaster, either the original sender or the next one in the line. I mean you might run a program that decides that when it can't assign a sale to give it to a webmaster, randomly selected or something. But I doubt very much that you are doing it.
I started in this side of the biz back when we paid per click, then when we paid per unique.
The problems in makeing tracking accurate are still there and no software running either client side or server side can remove the inherent problems associated with it from the net.
If you are only tracking cookies, then not all webmasters are getting paid for their sales. If you are going to the ip level when the cookies don't work, then you are getting more accuracy but it still cannot be perfect because of server side caching schemes.
If you are not letting a surfer join because they turned off the cookies, then you would solve the problem, but I have yet to see a program that would turn down a legitimate sale just because it cannot be tracked to an affiliate and the FACT is that there is no software yet developed that can track with 100% accuracy across the net.
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