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Welcome to the new spam of the milenium...spyware.
Thanks guys for 4 hours of tracking down and cleaning up your shit that you install.
To the rest of you folks...I suggest that you are careful with what sponsors you work with...pay attention to every aspect of that program. You never know when a hosted gallery is going to try to install spyware on your surfers machine. It even goes past sponsor programs... you even have to be careful of any traffic trading you are doing.
All the surfer knows is that they clicked on a link on your site and Norton went off saying that your site is trying to load a trojan on their machine.
Rest assured this is a future topic of both discussion and a radio show.
FREE MY BROWSER!!!
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Originally posted by gonzo@Apr 17 2004, 05:07 AM Welcome to the new spam of the milenium...spyware.
Thanks guys for 4 hours of tracking down and cleaning up your shit that you install.
To the rest of you folks...I suggest that you are careful with what sponsors you work with...pay attention to every aspect of that program. You never know when a hosted gallery is going to try to install spyware on your surfers machine. It even goes past sponsor programs... you even have to be careful of any traffic trading you are doing.
All the surfer knows is that they clicked on a link on your site and Norton went off saying that your site is trying to load a trojan on their machine.
Rest assured this is a future topic of both discussion and a radio show.
FREE MY BROWSER!!!
Let's start naming names gonzo, I hate spyware as well. we should ask KC, he is the spyware expert around here. He hates that shit too...
Unfortunately, the ones I have been having to deal with end up getting in under the radar.
The one I dealt with earlier in the week (twaintec) hooked itself on to windows update somehow, so the next windows update installed twaintec as a browser helper object (BHO).
On a friends computer, I have spend well over 12 hours total cleaning up spyware/adware messes and every single one that I had to deal with were installed clandestinely (no matter how many of the spyware developers claim that you have to say yes to the download).
Originally posted by Billy@Apr 17 2004, 08:39 AM OK simple question for you computer people.. how do you know if you have spyware ??
very easily...
1) your PC starts sending e-mails to addresses you never heard of....all by itself
2) you start getting pop-ups and you have no clue what triggered them...
3) yours and 50,000,000 other computers with the same trojan start downloading the site all at the same time, thus creating the effective DOS attack
(ask Lensman for details, one disgruntled GFYer used it on him,
shutting down all Lensman's sites)
Originally posted by Billy@Apr 17 2004, 09:39 AM OK simple question for you computer people.. how do you know if you have spyware ??
I'm wondering that too...I've been using Adaware every night, but if Sare's spending 12 hour and Gonzo 4 to clean things up, I'm betting my 5 minute run of Adaware's not doing the trick.
Something needs to be done about this, or else it will make the internet worthless!!
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Originally posted by Billy@Apr 17 2004, 08:39 AM OK simple question for you computer people.. how do you know if you have spyware ??
Some things to watch for:
1. Getting popups from sites such as Yahoo or Google. They don't do popups. You get popups there. You probably have adware/spyware.
2. You go to search in yahoo or any other search page and you end up at a different page. You probably have adware/spyware.
3. Your homepage changes on you without you telling it to. You probably have adware/spyware.
4. New icons that you do not remember being there show up in your systray. You probably have adware/spyware.
5. Your computer starts taking longer than normal to boot up. You probably have adware/spyware.
6. Secure pages that you normally go to (bank accounts etc) do not accept your username/password combination. You probably have adware/spyware.
7. You get popups after you close your browser. You probably have adware/spyware.
8. You get errors that say stuff like "could not connect" when you aren't trying to connect to anything. You probably have adware/spyware.
Serge, the email going out could be a symptom, unfortunately many programs have their own email engine so your email program will not see the email going out and it won't show up in your sent messages box. The only way to see the email going out is to monitor port 25.
I have spybot seek&destory downloaded and everytime I do a scan it gets half way thur then stops. I'm thinking that it is just going thur that file but 20min later it still hasn't moved. I have to control+alt+delete spybot just to get it to quit.
is there a better spyware detector for novices like me?
If you know what you are doing, I have found "hijack this" to be a really effective tool.
It lists out pretty much everything going on in your computer and you can get rid of anything you want from their screen. Unfortunately, it does not distinguish good from bad so you can end up fucking yourself if you go overboard.
The spyware/adware checkeres help, but they are only as current as their last database update.
To clean up, I normally run spybot and let it clean up what it finds, then adaware and let it clean up. Then I run hijackthis and remove anything I do not recognize as being ok. This is where most of the time comes in because when I am in doubt, I do a search on what file I am getting ready to turn off before so I can see what it is associated with before I kill it.
Originally posted by sarettah@Apr 17 2004, 09:06 AM If you know what you are doing, I have found "hijack this" to be a really effective tool.
It lists out pretty much everything going on in your computer and you can get rid of anything you want from their screen. Unfortunately, it does not distinguish good from bad so you can end up fucking yourself if you go overboard.
The spyware/adware checkeres help, but they are only as current as their last database update.
To clean up, I normally run spybot and let it clean up what it finds, then adaware and let it clean up. Then I run hijackthis and remove anything I do not recognize as being ok. This is where most of the time comes in because when I am in doubt, I do a search on what file I am getting ready to turn off before so I can see what it is associated with before I kill it.
I agree Hijackthis is excellent. Im trying to find something to detect the activity as its happening while Im surfing more efficently.
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Ones to look at carefully because the spyware/adware often use them:
BHOs - Browser Helper Objects - IE acts as if it assumes that all BHO's are friendly. Apparently this is a rather easy install to make under the covers.
Search bars and Search assistants (usually a HKLM entry - Local Machine key entry in the registry) Again, an easy install
Toolbars that you did not invite or don't recognize.
Run and runservices entries on programs that you don't recognize.
Ectra tools and menus often can alert you to the fact that something has gotten in.
Plugins are probably the hardest to install under stealth, but are probably the most damaging because these are full blown apps that can take over your whole puter.
Originally posted by masterp74@Apr 17 2004, 09:01 AM I have spybot seek&destory downloaded and everytime I do a scan it gets half way thur then stops. I'm thinking that it is just going thur that file but 20min later it still hasn't moved. I have to control+alt+delete spybot just to get it to quit.
is there a better spyware detector for novices like me?
Sounds like your Spybot database is corrupted or something MasterP. I would start up spybot and run a full update, make sure that you are on the most curent version of the proggy and the database. I have never had an issue with Spybot and have been using it for quite a while now.
Originally posted by MikeW@Apr 17 2004, 09:56 AM Peaches - this site has excellent instructions for manually removing all kinds of adware, spyware and trojans that even ad-aware can't completetly get rid of.
Just scroll down that page and you'll see a long list of links to various removal procedures.
Originally posted by sarettah@Apr 17 2004, 09:01 AM
Serge, the email going out could be a symptom, unfortunately many programs have their own email engine so your email program will not see the email going out and it won't show up in your sent messages box. The only way to see the email going out is to monitor port 25.
yes and now...I have Norton and on one of my michines,
every 15 mins the screen saver disappers and Norton's "Checking outgoing mail" screen pops up...
this how I know-
we got it!
Guys, let me give you the best advise you can ever get:
Decline all email with attachments.
Don't download "demo" software without a major virus check
Anything that is free is being paid for somehow
Keep your windows machine 100% up to date, run the windows update regularly
run adaware or similar every morning, and keep those up to date.
delete those annoying hosts file, nobody really needs it.
connect to the internet only via a HARDWARE firewall
install and use a popup blocker (the google toolbar one isn't bad)
turn on prompt for cookies, and start blocking everything you don't 100% need.
It won't solve all your problems, but you won't have as many either.
Alex
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Originally posted by RawAlex@Apr 17 2004, 09:53 AM Guys, let me give you the best advise you can ever get:
Decline all email with attachments.
Don't download "demo" software without a major virus check
Anything that is free is being paid for somehow
Keep your windows machine 100% up to date, run the windows update regularly
run adaware or similar every morning, and keep those up to date.
delete those annoying hosts file, nobody really needs it.
connect to the internet only via a HARDWARE firewall
install and use a popup blocker (the google toolbar one isn't bad)
turn on prompt for cookies, and start blocking everything you don't 100% need.
It won't solve all your problems, but you won't have as many either.
Alex
Thanks Alex that helps all us newbies...
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Serge, sounds like you have a zombie, not spyware or adware... and there is a HUGE difference.
Spyware - Tracks your surfing habits and reports back to a central server in order to build a "profile" of you.
Adware - Displays advertisements
Keyloggers - Tracks what you type and sends it back to a central server. These are usually used to steal personal information such as passwords or credit card #'s.
Zombies - Turn your computer into a part of a distributed network, used for spamming or denial of service attacks.
Sometimes products are adware, spyware, keyloggers and zombies all in one, sometimes they are just adware and spyware, sometimes they are just zombies, sometimes they are just spyware.. any mix of the above.
Serge, just to clarify, the product of ours that you keep posting about is adware ( a very non-agressive adware, basically we just want you to use our search engine ) and only adware, no spying, no keylogging and does not cause your system to participate in a distributed network.
The government is looking to eliminate spyware, which i think is a great idea, but since we do not track surfers individually or build profiles of any kind we are not considered "spyware".
I use a mac as does our entire company. If you insist on using a pc, use firefox, opera, or netscape, if you insist on using internet explorer, set your security settings to high and in "internet options" under "security" select "disable 3rd party browser extensions"
If you use internet explorer with default or low settings, you're a walking target. JMHO
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Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Apr 17 2004, 10:14 AM Hooper,
there is way too much infor riding on my machine,
including a few launch codes of Finland nuclear submarines http://cotac.com/knight/
I'll do EVERYTHING in my power to guard against all sorts of intrusions.
now when you provide expertise on the subject,
how long would it take to turn your software you claim to be safe into zombie distributor?
and PLEASE, don't insult my intelligence with answers which are not true.
I am NOT an expert on the subject,
but my Internet Security advisor is.
Well you are correct in that manner serge, it is very easy to modify things to turn adware into a zombie or keylogger program, but that would be a pretty serious criminal offense, so while i'm sure there are lots of people who would do that, i'd prefer to spend my days outside of prison walls.
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Hooper, your "program" is an invasion of my privacy, your modifying my computer without permission, and redirecting me to a site I don't want to use.
it sucks.
Serge, some of the best known people on this board, friends of friends, use various scumware to strip referal codes, redirect surfers (people who try to visit sites like the hun, tommys and other major link / tgp sites are redirected). I had one VERY well known person here explain to me exactly how they did it, having added it into a program that people would commonly download.
One of the 4free type programs (since closed) had a toolbar (that was fourced download on their for free sites) that included making wholesale changes to favorites, search destination, and added about 50 items to the hosts file to redirect people from other search sites.
It sucks all around... but proof of the matter that there is no limit to what people will do to make money, even if they have to steal it from someone else. Oh well
Gonzo: you don't know how many "experienced" webmasters still don't have firewalls, don't filter their mail, and download bucketloads of freeware. I had to remove viruses / scumware more than one from a past partner's computer, and he had been at this since 1995.
Alex
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Funny this came up. My computer was completely taken over by several programs. I struggled with trying to remove them for the last couple weeks. I started getting all kinds of errors. Then i tried to repair windows and nothing worked. Then i finally tried to reinstall windows to overwrite some files that were replaced and it I could no install windows.... but of course, reinstalling XP overwrites existing user settings and I could not get back into folders i had previously. After a 3 days of fucking around, i finally had to go to a data recovery expert to salvage the stuff I needed off my drive so I could then just reformat it.
I am sure there will be some spyware legislation in the near future. The "definitions" of "spyware" "adware" etc is just semantics. People will never distinguish between good and bad or any good or bad combination of all of them... just as they dont distinguish between good and bad pornographers. I think Gonzo said it correctly, "its the new spam" and just like spam, there is going to be a lot of people doing extremely nasty shit with it that will cast a dark shadow on those who don't.
I'm sure everybody is changing their links up right now hp. please dont pull all that traffic you've been sending us.
software is just like spam, the whiners will stay poor and in a few years go "gosh, i should make some software" but the money will already be dried up... if you had a guess how much money was being made with software you'd be doing it yourself already.
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Originally posted by Hooper@Apr 17 2004, 04:28 PM I'm sure everybody is changing their links up right now hp. please dont pull all that traffic you've been sending us.
software is just like spam, the whiners will stay poor and in a few years go "gosh, i should make some software" but the money will already be dried up... if you had a guess how much money was being made with software you'd be doing it yourself already.
There is a difference between spam and spyware. A more accurate comparison would be the old-school dialers that disconnected peoples local dial-ups, and called placed like Moldovia.
Justifying shady behavior with cash is the last refuge of Cockholsters.
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Originally posted by Hooper@Apr 17 2004, 04:28 PM I'm sure everybody is changing their links up right now hp. please dont pull all that traffic you've been sending us.
software is just like spam, the whiners will stay poor and in a few years go "gosh, i should make some software" but the money will already be dried up... if you had a guess how much money was being made with software you'd be doing it yourself already.
Sorry Hoop, I dont whore myself, there are limits to what I'll do for money. I guess my mommy and daddy just raised me a little different than your's.
Call me old fashioned, but I look at people who pay me as my customers or clients, not my marks. I try to offer them a service they want for a reasonable fee. I dont try to fleece their ass for every penny I can possibly extract.
It's funny, even the people in that thread know why you'll never make any money with APT... The answer is right in that thread.
Instead of fixing your broken poker business model, you choose to come attack me. I'm sure you're too ignorant to realize there's even a problem with your "business" model.
BTW,
I'd appreciate you share everything you find on GFY about KC's counter...I had my suspicions that something is fishy since he TOTALLY ducked all my counter related questions.
Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Apr 17 2004, 03:11 PM BTW,
I'd appreciate you share everything you find on GFY about KC's counter...I had my suspicions that something is fishy since he TOTALLY ducked all my counter related questions.
I have something I got to finish before poker time, so I just did a quick search and bookmarked it. I will go thur it in a few and see what super putz has posted about him
this one is no biggie, just people he havn't been paid for 3 years for sending him traffic.
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