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Old 04-08-2004   #1
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Kerry: Terrorist Shiite Al-Sadr 'a Legitimate Voice'

In an interview broadcast Wednesday morning, Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry defended terrorist Shiite imam Muqtada al-Sadr as a "legitimate voice" in Iraq, despite that fact that he's led an uprising that has killed nearly 20 American GIs in the last two days.

Speaking of al-Sadr's newspaper, which was shut down by coalition forces last week after it urged violence against U.S. troops, Kerry complained to National Public Radio, "They shut a newspaper that belongs to a legitimate voice in Iraq."

In the next breath, however, the White House hopeful caught himself and quickly changed direction. "Well, let me ... change the term 'legitimate.' It belongs to a voice — because he has clearly taken on a far more radical tone in recent days and aligned himself with both Hamas and Hezbollah, which is a sort of terrorist alignment."

But Kerry again seemed to voice sympathy for the Shiite terrorist when asked whether he supported al-Sadr's arrest. "Not if it’s an isolated act without the other kinds of steps necessary to change the dynamics on the ground in Iraq," Kerry told NPR, in quotes first reported by the New York Sun.

"If all we do is make war against the Iraqi people and continue an American occupation, fundamentally, without a clarity as to who and how sovereignty is being turned over, we have a very serious problem for the long run here," Kerry added. "And I think this administration is just walking dead center down into that trap."

On March 28, the U.S.-led coalition authorities closed al-Sadr's newspaper, al-Hawza, for 60 days, the Sun reported. L. Paul Bremer, the chief U.S. administrator in Iraq, charged that the newspaper had published false stories blaming the coalition forces for local acts of terrorism.
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Buff, you have a very weak argument here....
In the next breath, however, the Buff caught himself and quickly changed direction. "Well, let me ... change the term 'Pro-Terrorist.' It belongs to a voice — because Kerry has clearly taken on a far more radical tone in recent days and aligned himself with both Sadr and the uprising, which is a sort of anti-American alignment."
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"They shut a newspaper that belongs to a legitimate voice in Iraq."
Iraq needs to be a nation of laws. That paper was violating Order 14, Section 2.
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Serge, the arguement is a good one.

At worst it shows Kerry is supporting our enemies - Sadr is a crazy man, who wants to turn Iraq into Iran!!

At best it shows that Kerry is ignorant of what is going on, and once it is reported, he changes his mind and redefines what he said once he realized he is wrong on the subject. I am sure its just a slip that Kerry would support anyone who is Anti-Bush even if they happen to be an outlaw like Sadr!
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Golly gee wilikers ... Buffon and Mikey think [sic] Kerry is Pro-Terrorist.

Isn't that suprising.
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Golly gee wilikers ... Buffon and Mikey think [sic] Kerry is Pro-Terrorist.

Isn't that suprising.
PD I notice you did not address the real issue!!

What is your opinion of Kerry's statement supporting Sadr?
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For the record, I imagine I know what you are going to say to excuse it away.
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consider the source...
Aeon, your point is noted. It could be BS, and honestly it would be nice if it was. The thought of having someone leading our Country who would support someone we are in engaged in a battle with is sickening!
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Golly gee wilikers ... Buffon and Mikey think [sic] Kerry is Pro-Terrorist.

Isn't that suprising.
Kerry is anti-Bush, pro-Kerry.
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Don't know much about the "real issue", or IF THERE IS AN ISSUE.

Admittedly, I was skeptical as soon as I saw that the original post was made by Buff. I took one look at the website that posted the article and, upon finding an article entitled "Reagan Guided By Divine Providence", decided that it was not worth a single nanosecond more of my time.

And for the record ... I pay no more attention to wacko websites that can be found on the left side of the web than I do to the sort of tripe that appeals to Buff.
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Don't know much about the "real issue", or IF THERE IS AN ISSUE.

Admittedly, I was skeptical as soon as I saw that the original post was made by Buff. I took one look at the website that posted the article and, upon finding an article entitled "Reagan Guided By Divine Providence", decided that it was not worth a single nanosecond more of my time.

And for the record ... I pay no more attention to wacko websites that can be found on the left side of the web than I do to the sort of tripe that appeals to Buff.
PD I cannot argue that the source was part of the frindge....

Let's see if it gets reported in someothing more mainstream.
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The fact has to be faced.

A country is being occupied by what it sees as an unfriendly force.

No matter how the Bush Gov't has spun it , the Iraqi people do not want them there.

This is Northern Ireland circa 1970s , with bells on top.

Who will bet that the Coalition forces will withdraw leaving a worse shambles than previously and a more inflamed breeding ground for terrorists
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The fact has to be faced.

A country is being occupied by what it sees as an unfriendly force.

No matter how the Bush Gov't has spun it , the Iraqi people do not want them there.

This is Northern Ireland circa 1970s , with bells on top.

Who will bet that the Coalition forces will withdraw leaving a worse shambles than previously and a more inflamed breeding ground for terrorists
Oh, I don't know about that. We're going to build some Starbucks and McDonalds and everybody will be happy.

But I wonder if there is any truth to the rumor that the Shiites have offered to trade Sadr and four camels to the Hague for Slobodon Milosovich and a draft choice to be named later ...
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Well, if there is anything to be drawn from this, I can now see Buff and Meni at opposite ends of the same stick (or is that schtick?).

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So you can sit there and whine about Iraq, but I think it's time to drop the hammer on those talking monkeys and then invade Syria, Iran, and Saudi Arabia. I used to have Libya on that list, but that motherfucker has gotten the memo.
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what if the others get the memo like Quadaffi?
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Buff, your views would be laughable if you weren't so darn serious about them.

Can't you understand that between total "cowboy freedom" and "pinko communism" there is a boat load of middle ground? Just because some people don't agree with your "blow them up and let god sort them out" view of things doesn't immediately make them commies.

In the end it is extremism that causes so many problems in the world, and trust me, your views are pretty darn extreme.

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Buff, your views would be laughable if you weren't so darn serious about them.
I hate agreeing with Alex.........
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Yeah I had food in an enlisted mess once too.

Nearly died!

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Buff, your views would be laughable if you weren't so darn serious about them.
I hate agreeing with Alex.........
i agree too.

i know the feeling

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JR,

I've said it before , and I'll say it again....

I think all extremists should be taken out and shot !

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JR,

I've said it before , and I'll say it again....

I think all extremists should be taken out and shot !

;-)))))))))))))))))
it's a horrible irony when people are using the logic of a terrorist to defend their points. when you can't accept any other views other than your own and summarily dismiss any point the other side tries to make and at the same time just believe that "everyone just doesn't get it" - then that person has more in common with the Taliban than with the Western Democracy they claim to defend.

there have been some pretty disturbing posts today.
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I did my time. I am entitled to ask someone else to do the fighting now. My country called on me to go kill and risk being killed for national interests and I responded. If I had to do it over again, I am not sure I would, because it disgusts me that people like you recieved benefits of my service, but since I did serve and did fight, then I have the right to demand that others do the same, especially if I have to pay taxes.

So quit fucking skirting the issue. You want to live in a society where the government owns everything like daddy and distributes it out to us as it sees fit. You have the mindset and worldview of a child. You want someone else to pay your way.

And yet you have the gall to impugn someone like me?

It would be funny if it weren't so disgusting.

Move to France, bitch.
First pussy, now bitch. Daddy paid a lot for that education, didn't he?

Kindly point out, if you can be bothered to produce anything like relevant facts, where I have ever suggested that the government should own everything? Granted, my views are to the left of yours ... but even someone with the "mindset and worldview of a child" over the age of about 8 realizes that the world is not all black hats and white hats.

For the record, during my service in the United States Navy* between October 30, 1973-June 10, 1983 I wasn't particularly fond of the idea that my first Commander in Chief was, in fact, a crook, and that my last Commander in Chief had his best moments co-starring in a Grade B movie with a monkey (Bonzo, not G. Bush). But hey ... like I said, it comes with the deal.

* anyone want to set up a pool on how quickly the Navy faggot jokes appear? It's the traditional immature response.
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My country called on me to go kill
Yeah I had food in an enlisted mess once too.

Nearly died!

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What do you mean , peasant?

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What do you mean , peasant?

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Yeah! Let's go kill some brown people! The world needs less brown people!
I believe the great American philospher G. Carlin used the phrase "small brown people."

Should it be all small brown people, or should we limit it to those with oil?
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so as not to disapoint


You've got to pick up the pieces
C'mon, sort your trash
You better pull yourself back together
Maybe you've got too much cash

Better call, call the law
When you gonna turn yourself in? Yeah
You're a politician
Don't become one of Hitler's children

Bonzo goes to bitburg then goes out for a cup of tea
As I watched it on TV somehow it really bothered me
Drank in all the bars in town for an extended foreign policy
Pick up the pieces

My brain is hanging upside down I need something to slow me down


Shouldn't wish you happiness, wish her the very best
Fifty thousand dollar dress
Shaking hands with your highness
See through you like cellophane

You watch the world complain,
but you do it anyway
Who am I, am I to say

Bonzo goes to bitburg then goes out for a cup of tea
As I watched it on TV somehow it really bothered me
Drank in all the bars in town for an extended foreign policy
Pick up the pieces

My brain is hanging upside down I need something to slow me down


If there's one thing that makes me sick
It's when someone tries to hide behind politics
I wish that time could go by fast
Somehow they manage to make it last

My brain is hanging upside down I need something to slow me down
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Lyrics?

um Vick, you forgot the Metallica classic "Disposible Heros"


Bodies fill the fields I see, hungry heroes end
No one to play soldier now, no one to pretend
running blind through killing fields, bred to kill them all
Victim of what said should be
a servant `til I fall

Soldier boy, made of clay
now an empty shell
twenty one, only son
but he served us well
Bred to kill, not to care
just do as we say
finished here, greetings Death
he's yours to take away

Back to the front
you will do what I say, when I say
Back to the front
you will die when I say, you must die
Back to the front
you coward
you servant
you blindman

Barking of machinegun fire, does nothing to me now
sounding of the clock that ticks, get used to it somehow
More a man, more stripes you bare, glory seeker trends
bodies fill the fields I see
the slaughter never ends

Soldier boy, made of clay
now an empty shell
twenty one, only son
but he served us well
Bred to kill, not to care
just do as we say
finished here, greetings Death
he's yours to take away

Back to the front
you will do what I say, when I say
Back to the front
you will die when I say, you must die
Back to the front
you coward
you servant
you blindman

Why, Am I dying?
Kill, have no fear
Lie, live off lying
Hell, Hell is here

I was born for dying

Life planned out before my birth, nothing could I say
had no chance to see myself, molded day by day
Looking back I realize, nothing have I done
left to die with only friend
Alone I clench my gun

Soldier boy, made of clay
now an empty shell
twenty one, only son
but he served us well
Bred to kill, not to care
just do as we say
finished here, greetings Death
he's yours to take away

Back to the front
you will do what I say, when I say
Back to the front
you will die when I say, you must die
Back to the front
you coward
you servant
you blindman

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Old 04-08-2004   #41
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This thread further illustrates I am the only viable candidate for President in 2004

If elected I will abolish the current cabinet positions and try to enlist the following among others to help run the country


Colin - Minister of Math (When I need numbers crunched and understood, intelligence and something smart to say on TV)

Serge - Minster of Finance - If you need an explanation of where your tax dollars are going you have to speak to Serge, bottle of Vodka not optional
If you have an issue with that or owe income tax please see John - "Where's the fucking money"

PD - Minister and voice of the Slightly Left - Need input to keep little brown people from getting blown up

More Ministry positions to be filled as I think of them
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Originally posted by Buff@Apr 8 2004, 11:09 AM
One day, the Middle East will be settled down too. It will only be after all the motherfuckers in that region have had their asses kicked, some loved ones lost, and understand that the cost of not integrating into the modern age is outweighed by the benefits of doing so.
Yep, this sure looks like a prehistoric civilization to me.........



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Originally posted by Vick@Apr 8 2004, 01:43 PM
This thread further illustrates I am the only viable candidate for President in 2004
Well, until you said that, I probably would have voted for you..but, unfortunately one of the disqualifying points I use is that if they want to be president they must be totally fucking insane........
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