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Meni, the government is not prohibiting the expression of an idea. They have rules and standards however for what can be broadcast on public airwaves. those rules and standards have not been proven to be inconsistent with the law or the Constitution.
so... your logic says that i should have a show on Radio called the Shit, Piss, Fuck, Cunt, Cocksucker, Motherfuck and Tits show where i do nothing but chant these words and anyones attempt to block me from doing so on public airwaves while i violate the terms of the license i was granted would be wrong? violating the Constitution?
Originally posted by JR@Apr 2 2004, 04:05 PM Meni, the government is not prohibiting the expression of an idea. They have rules and standards however for what can be broadcast on public airwaves. those rules and standards have not been proven to be inconsistent with the law or the Constitution.
so... your logic says that i should have a show on Radio called the Shit, Piss, Fuck, Cunt, Cocksucker, Motherfuck and Tits show where i do nothing but chant these words and anyones attempt to block me from doing so on public airwaves while i violate the terms of the license i was granted would be wrong? violating the Constitution?
JR
indecency has never been pinpointed
What is indecent?
Stern doesn't broadcast the 7 dirty words
this is much deeper
but he can't say balloon knot ?
read the Salomon transcript
anal sex, BAD you can't say that on radio?
oprah talked about tossing someone's salad
the FCC got tons of letters
lets see the FCC fine HER
rules
dude you don't even know how this works
1 person writes the FCC
then the FCC will look at the transcript
then the FCC and the FCC alone determines if there is a FINE
how american is that?
the FCC chairman who Bush appointed
and the letter writers from the religious right complaining about everything
bono
stern
opie and anthony
mancow
and how many other dj's?
a chick got fired cuz her producer forgot to bleep out the f word
500K fines are coming
for 1 violation
and who determines what is indecent
YOU, the FCC? BUSH?
what's indecent to some housewife in Nebrasks isn't indecent to me
Originally posted by Meni@Apr 2 2004, 01:14 PM
JR
indecency has never been pinpointed
What is indecent?
Stern doesn't broadcast the 7 dirty words
this is much deeper
but he can't say balloon knot ?
read the Salomon transcript
anal sex, BAD you can't say that on radio?
oprah talked about tossing someone's salad
the FCC got tons of letters
lets see the FCC fine HER
how many jobs has Howard Lost for his show Meni?
why was he fired from NBC before Infinity hired him? Bush made that happen?
rules
dude you don't even know how this works
1 person writes the FCC
then the FCC will look at the transcript
then the FCC and the FCC alone determines if there is a FINE
how american is that?
the FCC chairman who Bush appointed
and the letter writers from the religious right complaining about everything
bono
stern
opie and anthony
mancow
and how many other dj's?
a chick got fired cuz her producer forgot to bleep out the f word
500K fines are coming
for 1 violation
and who determines what is indecent
YOU, the FCC? BUSH?
what's indecent to some housewife in Nebrasks isn't indecent to me
i understand that you are infinately more intelligent in spite of your mindless babbling than i could ever hope to be... but i think its also important to point out that the "rules" are extremely clear. i have read them in their entirety as well as heard them discussed on local radio shows.
who decides? well.. the FTC decides. thats what everyone signed up to when they applied for a licence to use public airwaves.
anyway... relax, Stuttering John is now on Leno so it will not be a total loss for you when Bush forces Stern off the air while causing deficits, losing jobs, causing terrorists and generally antogonizing and annoying the world
Meni, things are done differently for specific groups and always have been for 100's of thousands of years and in all countries.
Why do you think judges exist? To interpret the laws.
Would you consider showing a naked female breast on a hooker on Howard Stern's show is the the same as showing it in the course of a self exam on Oprah? If someone has repeatedly been warned and fined then of course they are going to fined faster than someone who has been in broadcasting for 15+ years and never had a complaint. This is all just simple common sense and logic.
You claim not to like the way things are currently handled - exactly what have you done to change it besides bitch and moan on a porn webmaster's message board? Run for office, Meni. Put your money where your mouth is and donate $$$ towards your "cause" instead of spending it going out.
Originally posted by Peaches@Apr 2 2004, 04:54 PM Meni, things are done differently for specific groups and always have been for 100's of thousands of years and in all countries.
Why do you think judges exist? To interpret the laws.
Would you consider showing a naked female breast on a hooker on Howard Stern's show is the the same as showing it in the course of a self exam on Oprah? If someone has repeatedly been warned and fined then of course they are going to fined faster than someone who has been in broadcasting for 15+ years and never had a complaint. This is all just simple common sense and logic.
You claim not to like the way things are currently handled - exactly what have you done to change it besides bitch and moan on a porn webmaster's message board? Run for office, Meni. Put your money where your mouth is and donate $$$ towards your "cause" instead of spending it going out.
Hey that's educational on Oprah
telling what a tossed salad is?
it's meant to be salicious for ratings
judge? what judge?
the FCC has no judges
Here you go Oprah watcher
you are her iin her demographic http://www.howardstern.com/-%20Oprah%20Oral%20Anal.htm
Originally posted by JR@Apr 3 2004, 04:00 PM Meni hint:
FTC rules and First Amendment have nothing to do with each other.
carry on.
JR
FTC is federal trade commision
FCC tells us what we can hear and see on the air
you limit an artist if you tell him or her what they can say
JR wake up and look at some sites
and see how this is about the First Amendmant
Originally posted by Meni@Apr 3 2004, 01:08 PM
FTC is federal trade commision
FCC tells us what we can hear and see on the air
you limit an artist if you tell him or her what they can say
JR wake up and look at some sites
and see how this is about the First Amendmant
FCC and The First Amendment are not connected. stop telling me to wake up or telling me to figure it out and explain in clear detail (not mindless, unintelligible rambling) why the FCC rules are a First Amendment issue.
Others fear that efforts to curb indecency will run afoul of the First Amendment.
As Powell appeared earlier yesterday at a House Appropriations subcommittee hearing, Rep. Jose Serrano, D-N.Y., decried what he called an “assault on freedom of speech.”
“I think people should have the ability to say what they please and I have the ability not to listen to them,” Serrano said.
here's he complete article
Broadcasters to consider code of conduct
By The Associated Press
04.01.04
WASHINGTON — Broadcasters meeting yesterday to discuss indecency said they would consider an industry code of conduct, an idea the nation’s chief telecommunications regulator suggested they should pursue.
Federal Communications Commission Chairman Michael Powell said if the industry left it to the government to set strict standards for broadcast decency, they wouldn’t like the result.
“You do not want to ask the government to write a ‘Red Book’ of dos and don’ts,” Powell told the gathering organized by the National Association of Broadcasters. “I understand the complaint about knowing where the line is, but heavier government entanglement through a ‘dirty conduct code’ will not only chill speech, it may deep-freeze it. It might be an ice age that would last a very long time.”
NAB President Eddie O. Fritts Jr. said a code was mentioned by most speakers at the daylong seminar, and would be seriously considered. He said the discussion would continue at the NAB’s annual meeting later this month.
The closed-door session attracted 350 broadcasters, many of them owners of just a few television or radio stations. The four major networks — CBS, NBC, ABC and Fox — are not members of the association, though executives of ABC and Fox did speak at lunch.
Viacom Inc., which owns CBS as well as the Infinity Broadcasting radio chain, employs controversial radio host Howard Stern. The FCC recently proposed fining Infinity $27,500 for a Stern show, and Clear Channel Communications, the nation’s largest radio chain, suspended him from its six stations that carry the program.
“A lot of broadcasters had never approached the line,” Fritts said. “The issue was what about those who have and what have they wrought in the industry.”
Philip Lombardo, chairman of Citadel Communications Ltd., which owns television stations in Illinois, Iowa and Nebraska, said most broadcasters already stayed far below any indecency line and would not be curtailed by any code.
“Most broadcasters currently operate within a code,” Lombardo said. “They understand what is the proper programming and the proper response for their community.”
The original code was dropped in 1982 under Reagan administration pressure, on both antitrust and First Amendment grounds.
Commissioner Michael Copps joined Powell in urging the broadcasters to reinstate it.
“I believe the industry could come together and craft a new code, perfectly able to pass court muster, and one that would serve the needs of businesses as well as those of concerned families,” Copps said.
The NAB scheduled its first-ever Summit on Responsible Programming in response to proposed legislation raising the maximum fine for indecency from $27,500 to $500,000. The broadcasters also were responding to public outrage over the now-infamous Feb. 1 Super Bowl halftime show, which ended with singer Justin Timberline exposing Janet Jackson’s right breast to millions of TV viewers. The incident generated more than 500,000 complaints.
Fritts said the issue would be around for a while. “It’s not going to be something that is going to be resolved in 30 days,” he said.
Others fear that efforts to curb indecency will run afoul of the First Amendment.
As Powell appeared earlier yesterday at a House Appropriations subcommittee hearing, Rep. Jose Serrano, D-N.Y., decried what he called an “assault on freedom of speech.”
“I think people should have the ability to say what they please and I have the ability not to listen to them,” Serrano said.
“The vagueness of the language will lead broadcasters and individuals to stifle their remarks and remain silent rather than run the risk of facing an FCC fine,” said Marvin Johnson, an ACLU Legislative Counsel. “In the end, we are left with no clear understanding of just what is ‘indecent’ and worse yet, it seems we will only find out when huge fines are levied on broadcasters or speakers.”
A: Those who feel the indecency standards are arbitrary and infringe on First Amendment rights, such as the American Civil Liberties Union. Among the chief critics are performers like Stern, who say an "off" button gives people all the protection they need against racy or off-color subject matter. The American Federation of Television and Radio Artists is fighting efforts to increase the indecency fines for performers, calling them "particularly egregious assaults on freedom of expression."
Originally posted by Meni@Apr 3 2004, 02:09 PM More copy and paste
the ACLU talking
“The vagueness of the language will lead broadcasters and individuals to stifle their remarks and remain silent rather than run the risk of facing an FCC fine,” said Marvin Johnson, an ACLU Legislative Counsel. “In the end, we are left with no clear understanding of just what is ‘indecent’ and worse yet, it seems we will only find out when huge fines are levied on broadcasters or speakers.”
Originally posted by Meni@Apr 3 2004, 02:08 PM sure
ok handsome
Others fear that efforts to curb indecency will run afoul of the First Amendment.
As Powell appeared earlier yesterday at a House Appropriations subcommittee hearing, Rep. Jose Serrano, D-N.Y., decried what he called an “assault on freedom of speech.”
“I think people should have the ability to say what they please and I have the ability not to listen to them,” Serrano said.
here's he complete article
Broadcasters to consider code of conduct
By The Associated Press
04.01.04
WASHINGTON — Broadcasters meeting yesterday to discuss indecency said they would consider an industry code of conduct, an idea the nation’s chief telecommunications regulator suggested they should pursue.
Federal Communications Commission Chairman Michael Powell said if the industry left it to the government to set strict standards for broadcast decency, they wouldn’t like the result.
“You do not want to ask the government to write a ‘Red Book’ of dos and don’ts,” Powell told the gathering organized by the National Association of Broadcasters. “I understand the complaint about knowing where the line is, but heavier government entanglement through a ‘dirty conduct code’ will not only chill speech, it may deep-freeze it. It might be an ice age that would last a very long time.”
NAB President Eddie O. Fritts Jr. said a code was mentioned by most speakers at the daylong seminar, and would be seriously considered. He said the discussion would continue at the NAB’s annual meeting later this month.
The closed-door session attracted 350 broadcasters, many of them owners of just a few television or radio stations. The four major networks — CBS, NBC, ABC and Fox — are not members of the association, though executives of ABC and Fox did speak at lunch.
Viacom Inc., which owns CBS as well as the Infinity Broadcasting radio chain, employs controversial radio host Howard Stern. The FCC recently proposed fining Infinity $27,500 for a Stern show, and Clear Channel Communications, the nation’s largest radio chain, suspended him from its six stations that carry the program.
“A lot of broadcasters had never approached the line,” Fritts said. “The issue was what about those who have and what have they wrought in the industry.”
Philip Lombardo, chairman of Citadel Communications Ltd., which owns television stations in Illinois, Iowa and Nebraska, said most broadcasters already stayed far below any indecency line and would not be curtailed by any code.
“Most broadcasters currently operate within a code,” Lombardo said. “They understand what is the proper programming and the proper response for their community.”
The original code was dropped in 1982 under Reagan administration pressure, on both antitrust and First Amendment grounds.
Commissioner Michael Copps joined Powell in urging the broadcasters to reinstate it.
“I believe the industry could come together and craft a new code, perfectly able to pass court muster, and one that would serve the needs of businesses as well as those of concerned families,” Copps said.
The NAB scheduled its first-ever Summit on Responsible Programming in response to proposed legislation raising the maximum fine for indecency from $27,500 to $500,000. The broadcasters also were responding to public outrage over the now-infamous Feb. 1 Super Bowl halftime show, which ended with singer Justin Timberline exposing Janet Jackson’s right breast to millions of TV viewers. The incident generated more than 500,000 complaints.
Fritts said the issue would be around for a while. “It’s not going to be something that is going to be resolved in 30 days,” he said.
Others fear that efforts to curb indecency will run afoul of the First Amendment.
As Powell appeared earlier yesterday at a House Appropriations subcommittee hearing, Rep. Jose Serrano, D-N.Y., decried what he called an “assault on freedom of speech.”
“I think people should have the ability to say what they please and I have the ability not to listen to them,” Serrano said.
not that i expected you to be able to formulate a defensible argument... but where and how exactly is the First Amendment being violated?
can you answer that? or is cutting and pasting articles that have little relation to the question the best you cand do?
Originally posted by Meni@Apr 3 2004, 02:09 PM “The vagueness of the language will lead broadcasters and individuals to stifle their remarks and remain silent rather than run the risk of facing an FCC fine,” said Marvin Johnson, an ACLU Legislative Counsel. “In the end, we are left with no clear understanding of just what is ‘indecent’ and worse yet, it seems we will only find out when huge fines are levied on broadcasters or speakers.”
whats wrong with you? did i catch you in the middle of South Park or some PPV gay porn?
Where is the First Amendment being violated? What "violates" the First Amendment?
1) the "vagueness" of anything is does not explain where the First Amendment is being violated.
it either is... or isn't.
the rules are either legal... or unconstitutional.
2) the new rules are FAAAARRRRRRRR from vague. they are pretty specific... but you have not read them or you would know that.
3) there has always been regulations on what can and cannot be said on public airwaves. why and how is it a sudden issue of "Constitutionality"?
Others fear that efforts to curb indecency will run afoul of the First Amendment.
dud
go visit some first amendment sites
and search for indency
visit stern
as for the gay ppv
Never watched gay porn
never wanted to
nice rip
you jealous fuck
"It is irresponsible of our country's broadcasters to try to push the envelope in the face of commission policies aimed at balancing the needs to protect our children with the interests of the First Amendment," FCC Chairman Michael Powell said at a recent hearing on indecency. "We will continue to enforce our indecency rules with vigor."
By The Associated Press
03.23.04
WASHINGTON — If it seems you're hearing fewer four-letter words and less sexually graphic material on radio and TV, it's not your imagination. Regulators are cracking down on indecency, and broadcasters are paying attention.
Some questions and answers about the issue:
Q: What is indecency?
A: Indecent programming means references to sexual or excretory functions. Under federal law and FCC rules, over-the-air radio and TV stations cannot air such material between 6 a.m. and 10 p.m., when children are most likely to tune in. Obscene programming describes or shows sexual conduct in a lewd and offensive way and has no "literary, artistic, political, or scientific value." Such programming is not protected by the First Amendment and cannot be broadcast at any time on over-the-air radio and TV.
Q: Is there a uniform standard for indecency?
A. No. Whether something is deemed indecent is up to the FCC and its investigators. Critics say that leads to random enforcement. To clear up some confusion, FCC ruled last week that use of the "F-word" in virtually all cases would be considered indecent.
Q: What about cable and satellite programming?
A: The FCC has drawn a distinction between over-the-air TV and radio, which are licensed to use the public airwaves and cost nothing to receive, and cable-only channels such as MTV and FX and satellite radio, which come with a fee. The FCC does not regulate cable or satellite content. Some lawmakers have suggested all channels should come under indecency rules since 85% of American viewers subscribe to cable or satellite TV.
Q: What is the penalty for indecency?
A: Broadcast license-holders can be fined a maximum of $27,500, while performers face a maximum penalty of $11,000. The FCC had been fining stations for each program, but commissioners recently said they would begin leveling the fine for each incident. So, for example, a broadcaster airing a program with five indecent utterances or acts could be fined $137,500. The FCC also is empowered to revoke a company's broadcast license for indecency, but never has. In the first three months of 2004, the FCC has proposed $1 million in indecency fines, more than the previous nine years combined, according to the Center for Public Integrity, a Washington watchdog group.
Q: Isn't Congress looking to boost fines?
A: Yes. The House and a Senate committee recently voted to raise the maximum fine for license-holders and performers to $500,000. Supporters say the larger fine is needed to influence the huge companies that own many radio and TV outlets.
Q: Why is indecency getting so much attention now?
A: The short answer is Janet Jackson. When singer Justin Timberlake bared Jackson's right breast during the Super Bowl halftime show, an estimated 90 million people were watching, many of them children. The incident served as a rallying point for religious leaders, parents' groups, lawmakers and others who have bemoaned for years what they say was an unchecked coarsening of the airwaves. They flooded the FCC with a half-million complaints and Congress took note, hastily amending existing bills to more dramatically increase indecency fines.
Q: Are broadcasters doing anything on their own?
A: Yes. Many live programs on CBS, NBC, ABC, Fox and Clear Channel Communications, the nation's largest chain of radio stations, now are broadcast on a short time delay, giving station engineers enough time to bleep out or cut away from a potentially offensive segment. Clear Channel also has adopted a code of conduct for its personalities, suspended Howard Stern from its six stations that carried him, and paid a record $755,000 indecency fine for broadcasts by the disc jockey known as "Bubba the Love Sponge," who was fired. The broadcast industry plans a March 31 meeting in Washington to discuss indecency.
Q: Does anyone oppose the government's efforts?
A: Those who feel the indecency standards are arbitrary and infringe on First Amendment rights, such as the American Civil Liberties Union. Among the chief critics are performers like Stern, who say an "off" button gives people all the protection they need against racy or off-color subject matter. The American Federation of Television and Radio Artists is fighting efforts to increase the indecency fines for performers, calling them "particularly egregious assaults on freedom of expression."
though i don't mean to belittle the fact that you once again mustered up the mental energy for another cut and paste... again... what is the connection between the FCC rules and The First Amendment and HOW is the First Amendment being violated exactly?
you are like talking to a drunk, 13 year old girl.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Ok, public radio broadcasts (and TV for that matter) aren't exactly covered by the first amendment, they are legislated by the FCC
If public broadcasts were covered by the first amendment you could say shit, fuck, piss etc ....
However you are still free to hear and see most ANY material in your home simply by purchasing it
Now that I've over simplified and clearly explained can you understand why Stern and other's are getting heat?
and DJ's here in Baltimore are all on 7 second delay - however they have gotten very,very creative in expressing themselves - which to me is a good thing
It bothers me when in public you can easily overhear someone saying fuck this, mutherfucker that, mutherfucking shit - it shows a serious lack of ability to express one's self
(may be somewhat acceptable at Raven's games if my son is not with me and at some bars)
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how both you idiots
call the creative coaltion http://www.thecreativecoalition.org
I'm done arguing with you
FCC/1st Amendment
2 of you argue this
yet Stern, and http://www.thecreativecoalition.org and http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org , and news orgs
all talk about the FCC/1st Amendment
I'm giving an assist
to these sources
they can score the basket on both of you two
let them spell it out for you
wow 2 voices on this thread on the republican bush backing oprano
not much support
if you wanna see my backing
check the hits stern gets now
also
your fuckin gov
is going to go after
cable and satellite
NOT governed by the FCC
even more of an outrage
I don't see how any of you can't tell me
this bush admin is pandering to the religious right
and they want to dictate what we see and hear
how can any of you say I am wrong
this bush admin is pandering to the religious right
and they want to dictate what we see and hear
this bush admin is pandering to the religious right
and they want to dictate what we see and hear
this bush admin is pandering to the religious right
and they want to dictate what we see and hear
this bush admin is pandering to the religious right
and they want to dictate what we see and hear
this bush admin is pandering to the religious right
and they want to dictate what we see and hear
how is this wrong?
this bush admin is pandering to the religious right
and they want to dictate what we see and hear
go JR
how is
this bush admin is pandering to the religious right
and they want to dictate what we see and hear
wrong
Originally posted by Meni@Apr 4 2004, 12:39 AM how both you idiots
call the creative coaltion http://www.thecreativecoalition.org
I'm done arguing with you
FCC/1st Amendment
2 of you argue this
yet Stern, and http://www.thecreativecoalition.org and http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org , and news orgs
all talk about the FCC/1st Amendment
I'm giving an assist
to these sources
they can score the basket on both of you two
let them spell it out for you
wow 2 voices on this thread on the republican bush backing oprano
not much support
if you wanna see my backing
check the hits stern gets now
You are "done arguing"? you never made an argument.
why would i do a bunch of homework to understand whatever it is you are trying to say? this is not "The Meni Assigned Reading Message Board" this is an open forum where you are making statements that you apparently are not prepared to defend.
make your points. impress everyone.
- How do the FCC rules violate the First Amendment?
when the fcc has fines of $500k
it will silence broadcasters left and right
they won't have the freedom to say anything that could be called indecent
keep nitpicking
you can't ask a guy if he had anal sex with someone?
you get fined half a million
how free is that speech?
Originally posted by Meni@Apr 4 2004, 01:03 AM when the fcc has fines of $500k
it will silence broadcasters left and right
they won't have the freedom to say anything that could be called indecent
keep nitpicking
you can't ask a guy if he had anal sex with someone?
you get fined half a million
how free is that speech?
the "fines" are not what make the rules on "decency" Constitutional or not. either FCC rules are Constitutional or they are not Constitutional... which is it?
was it Unconstitutional for them to tell me i can't say "fuck" on the air?
Originally posted by Meni@Apr 4 2004, 01:04 AM this is hilarious
its me vs YOU
the oprano bush loving board
only has 1 person to argue this
1
lets visit a stern board
and you can post
everyone is quiet because they suspect you might be retarded.
i am simply bored beyond belief and curious to know just how retarded you are.
Meni - as soon as you start calling people idiots you lose all credibility
Do you remember the PMRC? (Parents Music Resource Center)
led by Tipper Gore (who later claimed to have partied with Grace Slick when she thought it would help her husband's campaign for President)
They made a big to do over lyrics in popular records, had hearings in front of the Senate ......
Guess what it got them
Little warning labels on CD's, tapes and records
What a joke
The moral pendulum of the country swings back and forth
and in the end today we have more explicit lyrics in popular music than ever before
What does this tell you?
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