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Originally posted by darksoft@Mar 22 2004, 09:10 PM Meni, you're a fucking idiot... and that's the nicest way I can put that. You don't have a solution for shit. All you can do is spout your hatred for Bush and blame him for everything. I almost feel sorry for your feeble-minded ass.
Since you aren't a natural-born citizen and have less than 3 decades under your belt perhaps you could enlighten us with what YOU perceive to be the solution instead of spouting tired rhetoric back at those who actually know you are a simpleton?
Originally posted by Carrie@Mar 23 2004, 12:33 AM Hey Dark...
When I was in elementary school, my Principal had two wooden paddles - one with holes, and one without.
If you were being a true brat and deserved to get your ass spanked, you did. Your only hope was that you could convince him to NOT use the one with the holes - it hurt a lot more.
He absolutely hated to use it though, and would sit talking with us for a really long time before he finally sighed and said "well, it's time... bend over the desk..." and deliver that much-needed discipline.
All it took was one visit to his office to instill total respect for him - with or without a spanking. Of all the teachers and adults in that school, the one person we really didn't want to disappoint was Principal Carey. (Yes, that was his name.) And notice I say disappoint, not piss off. He was like a second Dad to us and it really made you feel like shit when you did something bad enough to disappoint his expectations of you.
Nowadays they can't even tell kids to pull their pants up so their ass isn't showing without being accused of racial profiling or culture oppression. Ugh.
I remember the paddles ALL too well, had a couple of them used on me once or twice But as you said, you can't even tell kids to pull up their pants anymore. There's a severe lack of discipline in schools and the kids are just spoiled fucking rotten. Had they not removed corporal punishment from the schools and the parents, you'd see kids today that aren't brain-dead shitbags doing as they please with no moral compass. It used to be that kids as they act today were a rare occurance 20 years ago, and kids that actually gave a rats ass about something other than themselves are now the exception to the rule.
Yeppers Spaz, it is.
Is that the only school in your area that you can send him to? It would probably be worth it to see if there are any others (even private).
I just hope they don't start acting the same way. I know *my* 6yr old is quite an impressionable little fellow and "soaks up" the people he's around, I'm guessing that 8yr olds are more immune to it but probably over time they'd wear him down.
(Of course you could always check out homeschooling, hehe.)
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Originally posted by darksoft@Mar 23 2004, 12:58 AM When I was going thru school, and I am a few years older then Meni, the loss of corporal punishment was the last straw that broke the camels back.
When the schools were not allowed to remove the negative influences, i.e. drug dealers, scum bags who didn't wish to learn and were thrown into the schoool system by uncaring mothers and fathers of third world countries, i.e. fucking Mexico, to babysit them because their parents couldn't be bothered, as well as the supposedly upper-class, who are no less resposnsible, that is when shit hit the fan.
Meni, you have offered NO solution. You continuously blame Bush when he has come in at the tail end of the problem. You need fucking help. Clinton was a fucking joke and he was a democrat. Regan and Bush Sr. were a fucking joke. They ALL contributed to the downfall of the American education system, as well as many other things.
You wanna blame someone? Blame yourself.
I have a 16 year old that has come up thru the same school system as I had and what it is today is fucking insane. I wouldn't wish it on anyones kids, and yet here it is. It's not the fault of Bush. Get off your Bush kick, you ignorant fuck. It happened before him and will continue long after him, your ranting aside.
Ignorant fuck?
get off Bush?
I'm suppose to have the answers?
I'm not the fuckin president
Bush - Religious Right, has to fucking go
that simple
wanna argue jesus lover Bush isn't trying to take away our freedoms?
Originally posted by Carrie@Mar 23 2004, 03:54 AM Meni, let's imagine something.
Imagine that there is a man that gathers your family together and forces them to watch as your father is lowered feet-first into a meat grinder.
Imagine that he takes your mother and your sister and locks them away from everyone - even each other - and rapes them repeatedly. He also offers them up as "prizes" for his sons and as payoffs for his buddies, and they are raped by these men as well.
Imagine this man decided that he needed to test out a new gas bomb his scientists had just developed, and he chooses your hometown that you grew up in, with all of your childhood friends and high school sweethearts who are still living there with their kids - as his testing area to see what happens.
Imagine that this man is telling the world he has no weapons at all, but everyday your children come home scared to death, talking about all of the men who came into their school and brought "space suits" and gas masks along. Not to mention the very large guns that each of these men was carrying in the school hallways in front of your small children.
How much money would it be worth, to you, to find this man?
At what point would you say "No no, it's just not worth it anymore, it's costing too much money. Leave him alone and let him keep doing these things to other people."
A few thousand? A hundred thousand? A million? 80 million?
Hussein and his sons did these things to families every day for decades, Meni.
How much money is "worth it" to end decades of fear, torture, terrorism, and gassing?
And how much money is "worth it" to rebuild anything we knock down in an effort to find this man, to rebuild basic necessities like water lines and electricity lines that this man had disabled in order to keep his people weak and frightened? To stay there and work with the people so that they could come out of hiding and take control over their own lives, government, and future again after living so long under this man's control?
How much money is that worth, Meni?
Quit bitching about Stern's latest bullshit numbers on Bush, quit blaming everything on people who happen to have faith (whether they're right-wing, left-wing, or none of the above), and instead go down to your local City Hall and throw your hat into the ring as Mayor or for a position in your State's local congress.
You want more jobs for people? Then YOU work to bring those jobs to your area. While you're at it, convince the people who are on welfare and are perfectly healthy that yes, they really CAN get up and get a job at McDonald's, that it isn't more of a smack to their precious pride than sitting and watching Jerry Springer and Ricki Lake all day long.
You want better education? Then YOU work to get more money out of the hands of superintendents and filtered instead down into the classroom so that the kids can have the things they need. YOU work to set standards in your community that teachers have to pass tests in order to teach. YOU help get rid of bullshit "quotas" that force teachers to pass failing students.
YOU do something to fix it, rather than sitting on your pretty little high-pro-glow ass bitching about how one man in government isn't fixing all of this FOR you.
That is, if your tanning sessions, gym appointments, and watching Jenna's dogs doesn't tax your schedule too much already.
Carrie, I have to pay to save Iraq?
really?
I'm sure there are other dictators doing crazy ass shit
We going after them too?
no we went after GW's daddy's old enemy
You are telling me there are no other evil doers in this world?
Cheney going duck hunting with Scalia
then Scalia ruling on his case?
this administration needs to GO
Clear Channel dumps stern, zero tolerance? oh really, so far there are atleast 3 Clear Channel DJ's being fined, and they are KEEPING their JOBS
Ryan Seacrest says fuck 2 times on the air?
is he fired?
fined?
Oprah talks about penis' and tossing someone's salad
did Oprah get fined?
We go into Iraq looking for WMD's
oh oops, bad intelligence, there are not any
lets rebuild Iraq, and make sure our (bush/cheney's) friends get the contracts
And once we leave Iraq, civil war.
Are we safer?
word is al quaida has a dirty bomb
oh boy, good job since 9/11 getting those guys!!!
We were worried about Saddam and his kids
were is the real threat?
Originally posted by Carrie@Mar 23 2004, 06:03 PM Yeppers Spaz, it is.
Is that the only school in your area that you can send him to? It would probably be worth it to see if there are any others (even private).
I just hope they don't start acting the same way. I know *my* 6yr old is quite an impressionable little fellow and "soaks up" the people he's around, I'm guessing that 8yr olds are more immune to it but probably over time they'd wear him down.
(Of course you could always check out homeschooling, hehe.)
The problem with this area is this, when we moved here (in the middle of the school year no less) they didn't have any openings in the schools even remotely near us. They placed our sons where they had openings
youngest one got a rated 'A' school, and the oldest got a rated 'C' school. Doesn't speak highly for their grading system I can tell ya that! LOL
I haven't seen any private schools in this area except for religious ones and to be honest, I would consider them an option only if my boys were being bused into the intercity or something LOL I don't want my boys coming home with bible bruises.
Home schooling..........
I want them educated, not dead!
03-23-2004
But as you said, you can't even tell kids to pull up their pants anymore. There's a severe lack of discipline in schools and the kids are just spoiled fucking rotten. Had they not removed corporal punishment from the schools and the parents, you'd see kids today that aren't brain-dead shitbags doing as they please with no moral compass. It used to be that kids as they act today were a rare occurance 20 years ago, and kids that actually gave a rats ass about something other than themselves are now the exception to the rule.
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