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Barring anything unforseen, this election will guarantee that the US president or vice president has had a Yale degree in every term since 1980.
Heading to 28 years in a row.
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Originally posted by Joe Sixpack@Feb 9 2004, 06:53 AM Yes, government by the privileged for the privileged.
You don't have to be "privileged" to be accepted at Yale. As a matter of fact, admissions is "needs blind". What you do need is a 4.0 or close, high SAT's, a great essay, a good interview and a record of achievement.
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Originally posted by Colin@Feb 9 2004, 04:16 AM You don't have to be "privileged" to be accepted at Yale. As a matter of fact, admissions is "needs blind". What you do need is a 4.0 or close, high SAT's, a great essay, a good interview and a record of achievement.
How the hell do you know?
Oh wait .... running for Pres any time soon Colin? You better make sure your porn past will look damn sweet
Originally posted by TheEnforcer@Feb 9 2004, 09:21 AM Care to point out any of those Mr. C average had to be able to get into Yale?
George W. was a legacy student. I think somewhere around 10% of admissions. Do you think it makes sense to judge the majority by the vast minority? Would you judge me to be from a privileged background because of where I went to school?
Of course, it helps to be "privileged". It helps to be able to afford good tutors, it helps to have parents that went to a good school, it helps to have parents that are motivated, it helps to have parents that know how to succeed, it helps to be able to afford good stationery for resumes, it helps to have parents who care to speak the king's english, it helps to have parents who take an interest in us. Know what? It helps to have good parents, period.
And part of the reason some of us aim to achieve such things is to pass these advantages down to our children. I hope you do too.
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Originally posted by Colin@Feb 9 2004, 07:37 AM Barring anything unforseen, this election will guarantee that the US president or vice president has had a Yale degree in every term since 1980.
Heading to 28 years in a row.
You'll get my vote! :P
I disagree though. I think within the next few elections you'll see someone with less education and political experience be voted in. Witness Aah-nold in CA.
Originally posted by Peaches@Feb 9 2004, 10:06 AM I think within the next few elections you'll see someone with less education and political experience be voted in. Witness Aah-nold in CA.
Kerry and Bush both went to Yale. Their term will end in 2008. 28 years. ;-)
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Colin, would you work hard to help your kids go to Yale? Would you push them?
I have always wondered about this. I went to a public university, then to Loyola for Law School. I have done fine, but there is something about an Ivy League school that could open up big doors.
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Originally posted by Mike AI@Feb 9 2004, 07:38 AM Colin, would you work hard to help your kids go to Yale? Would you push them?
I have always wondered about this. I went to a public university, then to Loyola for Law School. I have done fine, but there is something about an Ivy League school that could open up big doors.
Question. How hard was the LSAT in your opinion?
I thought about law school, still do every once and awhile. Did you practice prior to smut?
Originally posted by TheEnforcer@Feb 9 2004, 08:28 AM
Nope but we weren't talking about the general Yale population only the Presidents and Vp's that have gone there. Don't get me wrong a Yale education for the vast majority of people is hard earned earned but I would be interested to see how many of those former presidents and Vp's were legacy/money admissions.
There are people that doubt that Bush got in on money and name recognition alone?
Originally posted by Mike AI@Feb 9 2004, 10:38 AM Colin, would you work hard to help your kids go to Yale? Would you push them?
I have always wondered about this. I went to a public university, then to Loyola for Law School. I have done fine, but there is something about an Ivy League school that could open up big doors.
Cool question.
I will encourage them in the direction of their interests. When I wanted to be a rockstar, my parents encouraged me. When I wanted to be a physicist, my parents encouraged me. When I wanted to be a pornographer, my parents encouraged me. I admire that in my parents and plan to do the same.
I want for my daughter to be happy - whatever she chooses to do. Same goes for my sister, who is now 16. My sister is a straight A student. She was president of her elementary school for a number of years. She was in student government for years. She's not showing much interest in college. She will find her way.
I had a great experience at Yale but not everyone does. What I liked most was the intensity of the environment, being surrounded by students who were valedictorians and some of the best in the world at their age. You also have access to some of the most published professors in the world. I was a little disappointed that Yale professors were not, on average, better teachers than their non Ivy league counterparts. I attended Syracuse University for a year first so I do have a good base of comparison. The competitive environment more than compensates for that though. Most classes are graded on a curve with maybe one or two students in a class getting an A. Some of the texts I had in the undergrad courses was being used as grad level texts in some other Universities. One of my professors. who published a popular textbook on Quantum Mechanics, distributed his rough draft of his new book to the class to use as that semester's textbook.
The connections you make in academia and in corporate America are worth it for most people. The largest corporations in the world recruit Yale heavily and many students that I knew took this route. I was a physics major and yet one of the first jobs I was offered was at Dean Witter. One of my friends got a great job at Motorola landing a managerial position at one of their Asian offices.
Some of my professors were on the selection committees for academic journals and they were easily approachable. They would be more than willing to guide one in preparing a paper for acceptance.
I loved the experience. It was one of the defining periods of my life and probably the one that I look back upon with the most pride. As with most things in life, you get out of it what you out in.
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Originally posted by Joe Sixpack@Feb 9 2004, 03:53 AM Yes, government by the privileged for the privileged.
for once we agree...
FINANCING A YALE EDUCATION
The Estimated Cost of Attendance
Tuition and fees: $28,400
Room and Board: $8,600
Books and personal expenses: $2,620
Cost for one academic year: $39,620
good luck getting grants/loans to cover 160 grand for a BA/BS...you won't see to many crack babies, even with perfect SAT's, hanging out on campus.
Originally posted by aeon@Feb 9 2004, 10:41 AM good luck getting grants/loans to cover 160 grand for a BA/BS...you won't see to many crack babies, even with perfect SAT's, hanging out on campus.
Originally posted by TheEnforcer@Feb 9 2004, 11:28 AM Nope but we weren't talking about the general Yale population only the Presidents and Vp's that have gone there. Don't get me wrong a Yale education for the vast majority of people is hard earned earned but I would be interested to see how many of those former presidents and Vp's were legacy/money admissions.
Well, it's not that many. The Bush dynasty makes up almost all of it and then there's Clinton.
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Originally posted by aeon@Feb 9 2004, 11:41 AM
for once we agree...
FINANCING A YALE EDUCATION
The Estimated Cost of Attendance
Tuition and fees: $28,400
Room and Board: $8,600
Books and personal expenses: $2,620
Cost for one academic year: $39,620
good luck getting grants/loans to cover 160 grand for a BA/BS...you won't see to many crack babies, even with perfect SAT's, hanging out on campus.
best of luck -
aeon
My family was dirt poor. They didn't even contribute $1 to my education.
Have you seen the size of the Yale endowment? Trust me. Plenty of poor kids get the grants and loans to attend Yale. I attended when I was married and had my 2 year old daughter living with me. My living expenses were above and beyond what most students were. On a number of occasions, I petitioned the committee for extra funds and always received them. Sometimes as loans, sometimes as aid. I even managed a $7000 summer living expenses grant to continue my senior project research.
I was very worried that if I were accepted at Yale, I wouldn't be able to afford to go. Once accepted, the Yale financial aid office does an amazing job of making sure people get the loans and aid necessary to attend. They pride themselves on it.
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Originally posted by aeon@Feb 9 2004, 11:55 AM you don't need to spend that cash to get a top tier education...the quality of education you get isn't dependant on whether a school is "ivy league". That's just over-privaledged white kids with a few minorities thrown in to keep up the PC appearance...
You want an engineering degree, science - purdue, university of michigan, rose hulman, USC, MIT - want religious studies - University of Chicago (hands down) (philosophy as well a top tier school - notre dame another top philo school - so's IU), film school (UCLA) etc., etc.,
The type of discipline you're pursuing should mandate the school's you're interested in.
best of luck -
aeon
Have you seen the cost of MIT or University of Chicago? It's no less expensive than an Ivy. "Ivy League" is just that, a league. Some of the schools you mentioned are every bit as elite as the Ivy League schools and just as expensive.
What makes Yale elitist and not Chicago or MIT?
The "Ivy League" was just a name for schools that played each other in sports. Like "Big Ten" or "ACC". This dates back to when Harvard and Yale were actually winning National Championships in football.
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Originally posted by Colin@Feb 9 2004, 09:05 AM Have you seen the cost of MIT or University of Chicago? It's no less expensive than an Ivy. "Ivy League" is just that, a league. Some of the schools you mentioned are every bit as elite as the Ivy League schools and just as expensive.
What makes Yale elitist and not Chicago or MIT?
The "Ivy League" was just a name for schools that played each other in sports. Like "Big Ten" or "ACC". This dates back to when Harvard and Yale were actually winning National Championships in football.
I'm not slamming on Yale - it's a great school...was pointing out that some people look at Ivy League as the end all be all as a rule...when the determining factor should be what you're intended discipline is.
With all private schools tho...there's an economic factor involved - some private schools are incredibly generous with their grants/fin aid - but as with everything else...one's ability is not the sole determining factor in who can actually afford to attend a particular school.
Originally posted by TheEnforcer@Feb 9 2004, 01:11 PM Hmm mid to low 70's were always D territory in any school I've ever been in. 69 and below were F's.
Not saying other schools, and occasional professors on their own, don't have lower scales. Just not that common in my experience.
In the mid-1990s when I was there all grades were "on a curve". So pure numerical averages don't mean anything. Most Yale profs like to bomb the hell out of the students, giving them more material than they could likely master in a semester. This was true even in classes like foreign languages where you might be given 200 German vocab words to be learned overnight. Test tomorrow. (That happened to me my second week of class and I still remember it).
They also like to give super-nasty tests than no one will likely score an 80 or higher on. It was not uncommon for average tests scores to be in the 60s and 70s in physics and math classes.
The curve is inflated though so an average student would get low B's. You have to really fuck up to get a D or an F.
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Originally posted by aeon@Feb 9 2004, 01:21 PM I know IU has a cyclotron
Lots of schools do. Can undergrads use it? Yale has two of them. One for grad students and the older one for undergrads. If you are an undergrad physics major you are required to do an experiment on it. That's the point. What are normally graduate level resources are routinely made available to undergrads.
Sure, lots of schools have good resources. It's just that the schools with really high endowments tend to have the better resources. That needs no explanation. A school with an $11 billion endowment that spent half a billion last year is able to provide resources that - with only a few exceptions - other schools can't match.
You can go on and on about name branding and privilege but what's the point? By attending Yale, Harvard, Princeton, Stanford and so on you are attending schools with great libraries, paleontology collections, art museums, science equipment, and the list goes on and on. THAT is the point. At most schools you study Kandinsky from a book. At Yale, you stroll on over to the art collection and look on the wall.
This is not to knock any school. Certains schools have more to offer and if you have the ability, the grades, and a little good fortune and are willing to pay and borrow more for to attend those schools so be it. If you don't, that is a choice too.
For the most part you do receive a better education at an "elite" school than a non-elite one. Having attended a pretty good college (Syracuse U) and Yale, I can make a comparison. The schools are a world apart. The ability of the average student is a world apart. The environment is incredibly different. When students are reading their books while walking down the street you know you're in a pretty intense place.
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Originally posted by aeon@Feb 9 2004, 01:41 PM I'm not writing a dissertation here - grammatical critiques aren't nearly as witty as little yellow bus comments in this particular arena.
bste fo lcuk -
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Considering the topic, I disagree.
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Clemson is around $22K a year for a non-resident. And that's a public university and certainly not anything close to being a top tier school. And of course, for that kind of $$$, they will let you stay on with poor grades. The Bank of Mom closed, but Clemson was more than happy to let my little sweetheart continue there with less than stellar grades. :angry:
My brother has never paid a dime for college. He got his double major and masters at UGA with grants and scholarships and in fact, when he was getting his doctorate at the University of MN, he received a $14K a year stipend as well as free room and board. He was also receiving tuition and $35K for his post doctorate degree at Duke (until he realized that being 30 years old and still in school was NOT what he wanted out of life, lol! :P ).
My ex-husband went to GA Tech on full academic and athletic scholarships. When he was redshirted his freshman year, they let him keep his scholarship and be a "manager" for the team just so he could stay.
You can ALWAYS go to college for "free" if you work hard enough. Which is why my kid's was $22K a year.....
I'm much too uneducated to post in this thread, but I will anyway...
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Originally posted by Diamond Jim@Feb 9 2004, 06:16 PM I'm much too uneducated to post in this thread, but I will anyway...
When the revolution happens, everyone will be forced to get a degree in sociology. You will no longer be too uneducated to post in this thread. Please wait until then. Thank you.
Originally posted by Diamond Jim@Feb 9 2004, 02:16 PM I'm much too uneducated to post in this thread, but I will anyway...
only if you make sure youre spelling is correct...and colin opens the Oprano spelling bee board...
fuck those dirty Russian bastards who made millions but can't speel....cause it's a fact now...mis-spellings are indicative of intellectual inferiority
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And of course, for that kind of $$$, they will let you stay on with poor grades. The Bank of Mom closed, but Clemson was more than happy to let my little sweetheart continue there with less than stellar grades. :angry: 
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