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But let me guess, you're better educated than Patrick Henry, Samuel Adams, and Thomas Jefferson? Those ignorant bastards! Hahahahaha
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Human rights are not bestowed by God, they are bestowed by educated leaders. God can't bestow anything because God is just a belief in ignorance.
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This is probably the most ignorant thing you have ever uttered.
And, it has nothing to do with whether you believe in God or not.
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PD, are you honestly saying that all those judges are merely interpreting the constitution? By your definition, is there any possible ruling a judge could make which could not be defined under your semantics as interpretation but rather could be defined as "legislating from the bench?"
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Yep. That's what I'm saying. And yes, I do believe that there are situations where judges have "legislated from the bench", and no, I don't think that is appropriate.
The "judicial activist" charge made some sense back in the days of convoluted court-ordered busing schemes (which made liberals feel good while diverting attention from real issues of employement and housing discrimination) and the like.
However, like the use of liberal as a perjorative, the phrase has made its way into the verbal arsenal of the right. Like Rev. Bush's lament about the "discrimination" against religion (which made me laugh out loud) last night, it's usually employed by people to descirbe any decision that they disagree with.
I'm also going to admit something that few who are decrying the Massachusetts court decision will - I have not read the Massachusetts decision personally. FROM WHAT I HAVE READ AND HEARD, it was not judicial activism as I understand it.
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You live in a country which grew out of a revolution against the English Crown, a revolution based on the proposition that human rights are bestowed by the Creator and not men.
But let me guess, you're better educated than Patrick Henry, Samuel Adams, and Thomas Jefferson? Those ignorant bastards! Hahahahaha
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I know you intended this to be an insult, and in your group it is ( kinda like you calling me a straight man ) but to me it is a badge of honor.
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And what group would that be? You imply disparity on my part with the human race where non exists. I'm human, that is the only group that I'm part of.
I'm just along for the ride in this rip in space time that we call reality. I don't have any illusions that I'm any kind of creature created by some kind of omnipotent being.
Yeah our nation was founded by people who wanted more then to live under the rule of a dictatorship. I'm lucky to live in what I believe to be the greatest nation every conceived, but just as it was created by imperfect beings it is an imperfect nation still evolving. When we start seeking answers to our issues in ancient beliefs based on superstition we stop evolving.
The founders of the US were great people with great ideas, but lets not forget that they also believed in evil spirits, witches, and a bunch of other ignorant beliefs. Using their beliefs we should start going out and finding some witches to burn and perform exorcisms on those pesky evil-doers.
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OMG, MikeAI and my Cleo persona almost having the same beliefs, did proverbial hell freeze over? 
Now if something can be done about that FUCKING BANNER that has some guy screaming whatever it is he is screaming which has caused all of Starbucks to turn around and look at me while I'm sipping my latte and posting on a board.
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OMG, MikeAI and my Cleo persona almost having the same beliefs, did proverbial hell freeze over?
Now if something can be done about that FUCKING BANNER that has some guy screaming whatever it is he is screaming which has caused all of Starbucks to turn around and look at me while I'm sipping my latte and posting on a board.
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I agree with you on the banner - I almost pissed on myself last night when I moused over it.
Hoop - help us - give us a non-sounds banner to replace the old one with!
We have bipartisan support for it!!
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Just a note - don't go looking for something unless you're prepared to find it.
Looking for witches to burn at the stake might not be an endeavor you want to carry the banner for. 
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The human species has evolved quite adequately with religion - some could argue those "superstitions" have been a primary factor in that evolution. Equal treatment, eutopia blah blah is not the ends of evolution nor even a means that I've ever heard - evolution is simply survival of the species.
Just like platonists "believe" mathematical objects actually exist, scientists believe "causation" exists and the religious believe a "divine" exists. Damn DeCartes - he fucked things up for the "non superstitious".
The new southern evangelical empiricists will dominate...
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It is thanks to men who believed in a power higher than "His Highness, King George III" that we enjoy the freedoms we have today.
WE hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights
Had they thought that things began and ended with old Georgy-boy, we simply wouldn't be here. They would've simply accepted their lot in life and sighed a little deeper as they mucked on about their way.
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Oh Jesus,
that was one of the most boring state of the union speeches I have seen in years.
cut it in 1/2 you say, LOL. Just to make up for the job losses since he took office, our economy would have to produce around 245,000 new jobs each quarter. Ending in December, we produced 1,000 new jobs.
Faith Based funding sucks in my opinion, whether it's Jewish, Christian, Muslim, etc.
I am glad Dean is burning his own election. I like him on some social policies, but I know and have known he can not be elected, especially in 2004.
It will be Kerry, Clark or Edwards. I hope it's a Kerry - Clark Ticket, or mabey Kerry - Edwards ticket. We need a good, likeable Southern person on the ticket. No Dem can win without taking at least 3-4 southern states. No even the repubs admit if Graham was on the ticket as VP we could probably take Florida, but even know I love Graham, he doesn't articulate and speak the best always...
Bush might have 55-60% approval ratings right now, but so did Daddy bush at this time. He can be beat if we keep pushing our points and differences with his admin.
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned his call to renew the Patriot Act, or the burst of applause when he said it was expiring.
I watched the speech streamed from the MSNBC site this morning at 3am, so I got the "stare at Bush 100% of the time" camera; didn't get to see who clapped and who sat on their hands, who made faces, whatever. I was also saved from the snide comments from Anchors who feel their words are more important than the President's though, and who insert comments during the speech. It was great. Almost like watching a football game without that annoying fat fucktard John Madden.
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Carrie,
the 1984 big brother act is a total sham. I was so elated when dems clapped after bush said it was expiring.
I hope it doesn't get to a vote this election year 
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Carrie,
the 1984 big brother act is a total sham. I was so elated when dems clapped after bush said it was expiring.
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If it expires it'll be harder to bring back than if they simply renew it in time. It'll have to go through from start to finish again.
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Did he mention any "faith based initiatives" this time?
It's election season... who's betting on a one term president?
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If government does not recognize that human rights are bestowed by God, then we have no human rights. It is the "bestowed by our Creator" part which makes them unalienable. If they are bestowed by men, they can be stripped by men. When God leaves our government, our rights follow him.
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Exactly which god was that that bestowed these rights ?
Odin ?
Zeus ?
Apollo ?
The Earth Mother ?
Allah ?
Buddah ?
Yahweh ?
Oh I'm sorry, I am not thinking, it must be the one true god, the CHRISTIAN god.
I am sorry but ones argument loses ALL merit once god is brought into the picture, everything the human race currently knows about god has been twisted and perverted by power hungry MEN for so long that it has no semblence to reality.
For Christ's sake people (pun VERY intended) the Earth is over 4 billion years old, chistianity a little more tha 2000, how can anyone with an IQ over 12 use what they learned in Sunday School as a child a basis for anything.
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Its like giving a bunch of chimps a box of hammers and a bag of angel dust.
This thread is such a theological clusterfuck I honestly cannot tell if its Oprano equivalent of the Phil Hendrie Show or the glaringly obvious.
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Everyone should know that Yoda is the only true good.
But then who created Yoda?
Well George Lucas created Yoda. OMG this must mean that George Lucas is really the true God!!!
See religious beliefs do make complete sense.
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Its like giving a bunch of chimps a box of hammers and a bag of angel dust.
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I am sorry but ones argument loses ALL merit once god is brought into the picture, everything the human race currently knows about god has been twisted and perverted by power hungry MEN for so long that it has no semblence to reality.
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please explain this...
so what previous people's knew was "reality" - at what point did power/twisting, diminish this reality...and what was this reality in the first place? How do you know it's lost semblence to reality now unless you know what it was before?
when exactly was this reality..."pure" and unadulterated and how does mentioning a belief in a divine hinder a position anymore than mentioning any other belief...the world is billions of years old - how do you "know" this...read it somewhere - someone tell you - a lot of people "believe" it?
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Totally off-topic but I find it really interesting that scientists have been trying forever to disprove biblical happenings and they can't; but in the process they've been able to prove that biblical events really could have - and in some cases definitely did - happen.
Gotta shake your foundation when you're trying to disprove something and you end up proving it instead.
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but in the process they've been able to prove that biblical events really could have - and in some cases definitely did - happen.
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Damn man, go look it up yourself. I'm not your concierge. I told you which ones, do a google search. Try looking on Discovery's site.
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Yeah just as the bible says, the one before they conveniently updated it, the earth is at the center of the universe and the sun and stars orbit around it.
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Damn man, go look it up yourself. I'm not your concierge. I told you which ones, do a google search. Try looking on Discovery's site.
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You are the one making the claim. You present the evidence. Or at least post a link.
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The Great Flood
"WOOLLEY IN HIS OWN WORDS
Starting then below the level at which the graves had been found we sank a little shaft, no more than five feet square at the outset, into the underlying soil and went down through the mixed rubbish that is characteristic of old inhabited sites a mixture of decomposed mud brick, ashes, and broken pottery, very much like that in which the graves had been dug. This went on for about three feet and then, suddenly, it all stopped; there were no more potsherds, no ashes, only clean water-laid mud, and the Arab workmen at the bottom of the shaft told me that he had reached virgin soil; there was nothing more to be found, and he had better go elsewhere. I got down and looked at the evidence and agreed with him, but then I took my levels and discovered that 'virgin soil' was not nearly so deep down as I had expected, for I had assumed that the original Ur was built not on a hill but on a low mound rising only just above the surrounding swampy land; and because I do not like having my theories upset by anything less than proof I told the man to get back and go on digging. Most unwillingly he did so, again turning up nothing but clean soil that yielded no sign of human activity; he dug through eight feet of it in all and then, suddenly, there appeared flint implements and fragments of painted al'Ubaid pottery vessels. I got into the pit once more, examined the sides, and by the time I had written up my notes was quite convinced of what it all meant; but I wanted to see whether others would come to the same conclusion. So I brought up two of my staff and, after pointing out the facts, asked for their interpretation. They did not know what to say. My wife came along and looked and asked the same question, and she turned away remarking casually, "Well, of course, it's the Flood." That was the right answer.
- C. Leonard Woolley: Excavations at Ur.
New York: Apollo Editions, 1965, p. 27"
http://mcclungmuseum.utk.edu/specex/ur/ur-flood.htm
I can't think of any off the top of my head right now, but there are also things in the writings of religions other than Christianity that some have sought to "disprove" and have done the exact opposite.
Mind you, almost every religion I have done any reading on has contradicts itself, in one way or another, within it's own writings. That is not to say that there is, or isn't a "GOD", it is that man has a tendency to embellish and add his own ideas where he sees fit to do so.
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The Great Flood
"WOOLLEY IN HIS OWN WORDS
Starting then below the level at which the graves had been found we sank a little shaft, no more than five feet square at the outset, into the underlying soil and went down through the mixed rubbish that is characteristic of old inhabited sites a mixture of decomposed mud brick, ashes, and broken pottery, very much like that in which the graves had been dug. This went on for about three feet and then, suddenly, it all stopped; there were no more potsherds, no ashes, only clean water-laid mud, and the Arab workmen at the bottom of the shaft told me that he had reached virgin soil; there was nothing more to be found, and he had better go elsewhere. I got down and looked at the evidence and agreed with him, but then I took my levels and discovered that 'virgin soil' was not nearly so deep down as I had expected, for I had assumed that the original Ur was built not on a hill but on a low mound rising only just above the surrounding swampy land; and because I do not like having my theories upset by anything less than proof I told the man to get back and go on digging. Most unwillingly he did so, again turning up nothing but clean soil that yielded no sign of human activity; he dug through eight feet of it in all and then, suddenly, there appeared flint implements and fragments of painted al'Ubaid pottery vessels. I got into the pit once more, examined the sides, and by the time I had written up my notes was quite convinced of what it all meant; but I wanted to see whether others would come to the same conclusion. So I brought up two of my staff and, after pointing out the facts, asked for their interpretation. They did not know what to say. My wife came along and looked and asked the same question, and she turned away remarking casually, "Well, of course, it's the Flood." That was the right answer.
- C. Leonard Woolley: Excavations at Ur.
New York: Apollo Editions, 1965, p. 27"
http://mcclungmuseum.utk.edu/specex/ur/ur-flood.htm
I can't think of any off the top of my head right now, but there are also things in the writings of religions other than Christianity that some have sought to "disprove" and have done the exact opposite.
Mind you, almost every religion I have done any reading on has contradicts itself, in one way or another, within it's own writings. That is not to say that there is, or isn't a "GOD", it is that man has a tendency to embellish and add his own ideas where he sees fit to do so.
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Now to the original reason for this thread.
It was a "great" campaign speech. For 95% of the first half-hour he did a beautiful job tooting his own horn and that of his admin. It was nice of him to use the second half to actually address the congress with the state of the union. Of course he did go into some things that still had nothing to do with what he was supposed to be talking about.
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I'm not quite sure what the purpose of your post is.
Are you trying to suggest that that passage is scientific proof of God flooding the Earth?
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The dig merely showed conclusive evidence that there had been a huge flood that lasted for quite a long time, as the bible states. As for whom left the faucet running, I couldn't tell ya.
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Each attempt to clarify
Serves only to confuse
And it feels just like a fracture
But it looks more like a bruise
And my heart can’t bear the weight
Of one more empty “I told you”
And I’ve strained my eyes to blindness
Trying to find a point of view
None of this matters, we all die in the end
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Yeah just as the bible says, the one before they conveniently updated it, the earth is at the center of the universe and the sun and stars orbit around it.
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where does any Abrahamic text say this - the septuagint or masoretic texts?..don't talk out of your ass.
and which pre-updated version do you have that says this...you speak greek/hebrew?
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I'm very surprised that nobody has touched on how Bush made it VERY CLEAR about his stand against public health care.
I believe Tommy Douglas may have rolled over in his grave.
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I'm very surprised that nobody has touched on how Bush made it VERY CLEAR about his stand against public health care.
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maybe everyone agrees with it?
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