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Old 12-14-2003   #1
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I came back from honeyoom relaxed with a sharp ax.

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I was just joking about Greg! He says nothing but nice things about you and is a complete suck-up bitch. Keep him on, please.



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Yes. MCI laid off me and several hundred other workers right before Christmas. Just look what happened to MCI/Worldcom.
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What about right before Hanukkah?
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What about right before Hanukkah?
Wait until January 15.
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Why are you in such a hatchet mood anyway? You just got married and spent a week on a honeymoon - you should be the happiest you've ever been and nothing should bother you.
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Old 12-14-2003   #7
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better to fire them before the holidays so they can budget their spending wisely.

i just had to let somebody go a few days ago and it was hard, but i gave him a good severance package and 30 days notice and while i know he's disappointed, i dont think he harbors any ill will cause i did it *right*.

If however this employee is reading to much espn... fire him on the 24th, no notice and $1.00 in severance. Or as Kinky Friedman says... "Fuck em & Feed em Fruit Loops!"
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I let 2 people go 2 weeks ago... had no moral problem with it, and so far sales are looking good for December
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Why not just tie them to a tree, and shoot them?

Much less painful.

Then donate on their behalf, tax deductible.
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Why not just tie them to a tree, and shoot them?

Much less painful.

Then donate on their behalf, tax deductible.
you had a good plan going up to the
"Then donate on their behalf, tax deductible."
which explain why you haven't progressed in business much...

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Then SELL their ORGANS,
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Hey, I just try to keep the really dirty stuff off the boards.

btw- those kidneys are in if you are still interested.
kidneys? mine are better, they got stones!
(you should have seen the stone I pissed out the oither day - 3 carats minimum!)

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My liver is the least of my concerns.

Its clean and most important, its paid off.
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My liver is the least of my concerns.

Its clean and most important, its paid off.
are you selling or just teasing me?
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Why are you in such a hatchet mood anyway? You just got married and spent a week on a honeymoon - you should be the happiest you've ever been and nothing should bother you.
Personally, I have never been happier. Biz is Biz. As a successful businessman, I am not a fan of dead weight in my company.
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I came back from honeyoom relaxed with a sharp ax.

Your thoughts?
Bad form..and quite tasteless.
But if your going to fire em...fucking man up and do it instead of sweating them by having them all read oprano and wonder which it is.
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on the part of the employees, of course they will feel very bad!!
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I'd say if you do let him go, do it before christmas so he can take the majority of his gifts back and get that debt off of his back, and give him a month's severance pay. That way he'll still have time to find a job in time to pay the bills even though folks are going to be taking so much time off for christmas, new year's, and Internext.
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Brad.. tell Laura I still like her.. even though she does not like me..
Dont fire me before xmas.. 1 job was enough for the year
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Laura was promoted to Mrs. She is above being fired;-)
I fired my wife...hey, even Tom Hagen got fired and was no longer the part of all family buisnesses
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My wife has been fired from "family business" to be fully involved in the family business
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(In Texas I think it isn't necessary to do that though. It's still good practice nonetheless.)
You are correct, it's a Right to work, right to fire state!
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Hey!!!

I was fired!! Now the only raise I'll ever get will be in Mr. Shaws pants
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I was fired!! Now the only raise I'll ever get will be in Mr. Shaws pants
Consider it a promotion.
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Why not just tie them to a tree, and shoot them?

Much less painful.

Then donate on their behalf, tax deductible.

I like the way you think!!
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I was fired!! Now the only raise I'll ever get will be in Mr. Shaws pants
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Brad - allow me to properly answer your original question.

Q. Is it bad karma to fire someone right before Xmas?

A. No, it is not. It IS bad karma to fire someone ON Xmas, not before.

Some may think its tacky to "release employees of obligations" near the holidays, but the buddha does not.

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What's the bet that the productivity of SIC employees went up 50% since this thread started.
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What's the bet that the productivity of SIC employees went up 50% since this thread started.
I will take that bet. Cut one person loose yesterday, not Mrs. Shaw. She is on permanent leave. Never like letting people go, but at times you gotta go what you gotta go.
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Yes. MCI laid off me and several hundred other workers right before Christmas. Just look what happened to MCI/Worldcom.
Which year were you laid off? I beat a couple of those, then I left the company and went to Broadwing and wound up getting laid off before Thanksgiving a few years ago. I was with MCI for years and they laid off a lot of people a few times. When I was in engineering I remember people just walking out with boxes seemed like the office was just empty when they did it too.

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Never like letting people go, but at times you gotta go what you gotta go.
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I think you meant.

"Ya gotta do what ya gotta do"
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If someone needs to be fired for cause, cover your ass, follow procedure to stay out of trouble with the local department of labor and fire their ass without regard to when it is. They did it to themselves, they have it coming...

If it's a cost reducing move or eliminating of a position due to changing business conditions or however you want to phrase it and not due to the performance of the worker...well that's a different story. That's no fault of the worker, that's the fault of the President and CEO, buck stops at the top. I'd probably wait before impacting a family at Christmas if at all possible and would probably try to provide some severence.

But more importantly, what do you do for your employees who do bust their ass all year long at Christmas to let 'em know you appreciate 'em?
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Do it Jan 1, fuck it, you got the scratch to carry the dead weight a few more weeks- or do it now. If you do it now can you get it on video so I can send it out as a cruel reminder to my folk here?
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Do it Jan 1, fuck it, you got the scratch to carry the dead weight a few more weeks- or do it now. If you do it now can you get it on video so I can send it out as a cruel reminder to my folk here?
One down, no telling how many more to go. Simple, do your job and make me $, keep it. Do not do it, you can work for some idiot in this biz.
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