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Old 12-07-2003   #1
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War is hell on earth. Sometimes the truth is not reported for
whatever reason in our media. Below is a summary of some of the actual
facts about our present status in Iraq as of last Monday.
Since President Bush declared an end to major combat on May 1...

... The first battalion of the new Iraqi Army has graduated and is on
active duty.

... over 60,000 Iraqis now provide security to their fellow citizens.

... nearly all of Iraq's 400 courts are functioning.

... The Iraqi judiciary is fully independent.

... on Monday, October 6 power generation hit 4,518
megawatts-exceeding the prewar average.

... All 22 universities and 43 technical institutes and colleges are
open, as are nearly all primary and secondary schools.

... by October 1, Coalition forces had rehab-ed over 1,500 schools -
500 more than scheduled.

... Teachers earn from 12 to 25 times their former salaries.

... all 240 hospitals and more than 1200 clinics are open.

... Doctors salaries are at least eight times what they were under
Saddam.


... pharmaceutical distribution has gone from essentially nothing to
700 tons in May to a current total of 12,000 tons.

... The Coalition has helped administer over 22 million vaccination
doses to Iraq's children.

... a Coalition program has cleared over 14,000 kilometers of Iraq's
27,000 kilometers of weed-choked canals which now irrigate tens of
thousands of farms. This project has created jobs for more than
100,000 Iraqi men and women.

... We have restored over three-quarters of prewar telephone services
and over two-thirds of the potable water production.

... there are 4,900 full-service telephone connections. We expect
50,000 by year-end.

... The wheels of commerce are turning. From bicycles to satellite
dishes to cars and trucks, businesses are coming to life in all major
cities and towns.

... 95 percent of all prewar bank customers have service and
first-time customers are opening accounts daily.

... Iraqi banks are making loans to finance businesses.

... the central bank is fully independent.

... Iraq has one of the worlds most growth-oriented investment and
banking laws.

... Iraq has a single, unified currency for the first time in 15
years.

... satellite TV dishes are legal.

... Foreign journalists aren't on 10-day visas paying mandatory and
extortionate fees to the Ministry of Information for minders and other
government spies.

.. there is no Ministry of Information.

... There are more than 170 newspapers.

... you can buy satellite dishes on what seems like every street
corner.

... Foreign journalists (and everyone else) are free to come and go.

... A nation that had not one single element -- legislative, judicial
or executive -- of a representative government, now does.

.. in Baghdad alone residents have selected 88 advisory councils.
Baghdad's first democratic transfer of power in 35 years happened when

the city council elected its new chairman.

... Today in Iraq chambers of commerce, business, school and
professional organizations are electing their leaders all over the
country.

... 25 ministers, selected by the most representative governing body
in Iraq's history, run the day-to-day business of government.

... The Iraqi government regularly participates in international
events. Since July the Iraqi government has been represented in over
two dozen international meetings, including those of the UN General
Assembly, the Arab League, the World Bank and IMF and, today, the
Islamic Conference Summit. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs today
announced that it is reopening over 30 Iraqi embassies around the
world.

.. Shia religious festivals that were all but banned, aren't.

.. For the first time in 35 years, in Karbala thousands of Shiites
celebrate the pilgrimage of the 12th Imam.

... The Coalition has completed over 13,000 reconstruction projects,
large and small, as part of a strategic plan for the reconstruction of

Iraq.

... Uday and Queasy are dead -- and no longer feeding innocent Iraqis
to the zoo lions, raping the young daughters of local leaders to force

cooperation, torturing Iraq's soccer players for losing games, or
murdering critics.

... children aren't imprisoned or murdered when their parents disagree

with the government.

... Political opponents aren't imprisoned, tortured, executed, maimed,

or are forced to watch their families die for disagreeing with Saddam.

... Millions of long-suffering Iraqis no longer live in perpetual
terror.

... Saudis will hold municipal elections.

... Qatar is reforming education to give more choices to parents.

... Jordan is accelerating market economic reforms.

... the Nobel Peace Prize was awarded for the first time to an Iranian

-- a Muslim woman who speaks out with courage for human rights, for
democracy and for peace.

.. Saddam is gone.

... Iraq is free.

.. President Bush has not faltered or failed.

... Yet, little or none of this information has been published by the
Press corps that prides itself on bring you all the news that's
important.


Iraq under US lead control has come further in six months than Germany
did in seven years or Japan did in nine years following WWII. Military
deaths from fanatic Nazi's, and Japanese numbered in the thousands and
continued for over three years after WWII victory was declared.

It took the US over four months to clear away the twin tower debris,
let alone attempt to build something else in its place.

Now, take into account that almost every Democrat leader in the House
and Senate has fought President Bush on every aspect of his handling
of this country's war and the postwar reconstruction; and that they
continue to claim on a daily basis on national TV that this conflict
has been a failure.

Taking everything into consideration, even the unfortunate loss of our

sons and daughters in this conflict, do you think anyone else in the
world could have accomplished as much as the United States and the
Bush administration in so short a period of time?

This note makes me very proud to be an American.


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Old 12-07-2003   #2
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You cited no source for your "facts".
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I dont 'cite' this as 'fact' just information passed to me, and I'm passing on....

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Geee I wonder who your dumbass is going to vote for in the next election.
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Trust me, if all that were true, Fox news would be ramming it down your throat every day.
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Trust me, if all that were true, Fox news would be ramming it down your throat every day.
I think what you mean bro is if it were even half true Fox News would be ramming it down your throat.

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I dont 'cite' this as 'fact' just information passed to me, and I'm passing on....

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Yes you did: "Below is a summary of some of the actual
facts about our present status in Iraq as of last Monday."
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think what you mean bro is if it were even half true Fox News would be ramming it down your throat

very true.

What I want to see is, after we (if we) pull out in June, how fast the members of the puppet government we installed get their asses blown to bits and either Saddam or some fundamentalist Cleric is installed.

If, and this is purely hypothetical, we leave in June and the puppets get run out of power, I would like to see Saddam BACK in power... but deep in debt to AlQueda for providing the insurgents and logistical support this whole time. Iran a ticking time bomb, Afghanistan a lost cause, Iraq a total failure, the wmd hopefully moved to Syria and given to Bin Laden (if they even existed at all), and the crippling debt brought on by Iraq combined with failing public support leaving Bush powerless to do any more significant damage in the middle east, the next 10 years are going to be very interesting. Glad I am leaving.

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think what you mean bro is if it were even half true Fox News would be ramming it down your throat

very true.

What I want to see is, after we (if we) pull out in June, how fast the members of the puppet government we installed get their asses blown to bits and either Saddam or some fundamentalist Cleric is installed.

If, and this is purely hypothetical, we leave in June and the puppets get run out of power, I would like to see Saddam BACK in power... but deep in debt to AlQueda for providing the insurgents and logistical support this whole time. Iran a ticking time bomb, Afghanistan a lost cause, Iraq a total failure, the wmd hopefully moved to Syria and given to Bin Laden (if they even existed at all), and the crippling debt brought on by Iraq combined with failing public support leaving Bush powerless to do any more significant damage in the middle east, the next 10 years are going to be very interesting. Glad I am leaving.

Everytime a republican dies, an angel gets its wings.
The real action in the middle east isn't going to start until the King dies in Saudia Arabia, then get your shit ready cause it's going to get ugly fast.

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Geee I wonder who your dumbass is going to vote for in the next election.
my 'dumbass'..... interesting retort... something worthy of GFY....
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Judging by the majority of posts in this thread already, the herd has *already* gathered.
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It was Paul Bremer that said it, apparently.

These were the only government pages i could find with the information.

http://ankara.usembassy.gov/PRESS/brem1009.htm
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Oct2003/n1..._200310101.html
http://calcutta.usconsulate.gov/wwwhpr1010b.html

I can't believe the media hasn't jumped all over this one yet. And if the information is correct, why isn't the administration touting these tidbits of information. Seems strange to me. Surely a breakdown of progress like this would round up some big support for Bush.

Things that make you go hmmm.
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Thank you chodadog... the information was passed to me without crediting the source... I just posted it to rile up the troops! ;-)

Torone.. I dont 'sweat' the small stuff! ;-)
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US forces cannot come out of Iraq. They have too big 'macho' attitude to move out - unless they are moving into some another country to kill it.

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From watching 60 Minutes on Sunday, it seems more like the US figured out the best solution is to just let the Baath power structure get back into place but without Saddam & Sons at the helm.

The same people are getting back into positions of power.

This should gradually lessen the attacks on our troops which have been financed by the wealthy class which lost all their priviliges when Saddam got toppled.

We shall see . . . . .
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There has been ,mistakes made in Iraq, but a lot of possitive things are going on.

I think Newt Gingrich made a good point, the US cannot win Iraqi freedom, only Iraqies can. Hopefully we can get them trained and ready to secure their own futures.

One thing I found interesting was that the average Iraqi is expecting the US to give them everything. They are so used to socialism, where the State provided everything for them, they need to get off their asses and do things on their own.
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let me see if I have this right, if I watch CNN then I'm left, If I watch FOX then I'm right.....umm guess I'll go back to ESPN :P
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