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The province of Manitoba, Canada, has prided itself for a couple of decades now on having some of the toughest drunk-driving laws in the world. As of this morning, those laws just got tougher....... they are announcing on the radio that 1st-time offenders who have caused any sort of collision, or bodily harm or loss of life, will have their vehicles fitted with a breathalyzer-like device. The driver will have to blow into the device and pass the blood-alcohol test before the vehicle will start.

The thing I'm not sure about is.... what is to stop these people from having others do the "blowing" for them? I'm attempting to find the answer to that, haven't found the newsarticle yet.


No matter how tough the anti drunk-driving laws get, they never seem quite tough enough do they? Especially if you've had a few run-ins with drunk drivers in the past or had friends/family who were killed by them.... like me.
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CD hopefully if the car owner can't blow a low enough test to start the car, the sober friend that he'd have blow into it would know better than to let him drive.
It's one thing to *think* that your buddy is sober enough to drive, it's another to have an impartial machine tell you for sure.
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The thing I'm not sure about is.... what is to stop these people from having others do the "blowing" for them? I'm attempting to find the answer to that, haven't found the newsarticle yet.
One would hope that if there is someone attempting to drive who can't start the breathalyzer and someone who CAN start the car with the breathalyzer, the one who CAN start it is sober enough to make the decision to drive. Unless there was a gun to the head of the sober person, and since there aren't any guns in Canada....
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CD hopefully if the car owner can't blow a low enough test to start the car, the sober friend that he'd have blow into it would know better than to let him drive.
It's one thing to *think* that your buddy is sober enough to drive, it's another to have an impartial machine tell you for sure.
Agreed, but since when are most people in a bar that responsible? I've known plenty of people that would cheat anything like that in a heartbeat... just because. They are probably the same people who think nothing of running a key down the side of your new car just for kicks too.

With the issue of drunk-driving, there is no room for "hopefully...".
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With the issue of drunk-driving, there is no room for "hopefully...".
No, but there's "Doing everything we can".

I think the breathalyzer is an EXCELLENT idea and I'd love to see it in the states. I suspect there are many drunk drivers who don't REALIZE they're legally drunk.
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People will be standing around bars selling their breathalyzer results when the bars close. Gimme $20, I'll blow in your breathalyzer and let ya drive home.

I don't understand why they don't just take your license away for a year.
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I don't understand why they don't just take your license away for a year.
Because people will still drive w/o a license. I'd love them to impound the cars, but I'm sure the ACLU would figure out a way to nip that idea in the bud. :angry:
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My aunt has one on her car, and she does have others blow into it.
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well my husband is forever disabled because of a drunk driver so really whatever they can do the better and frankly I don't care if they ban the drivers for life on their first charge.
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Have you ever notified the police or the DMV about this?
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Good. I've had two near accidents with drunk drivers that ran red lights.
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If she kills herself, thats her fault. I do not shed a tear for idiots who kill themselves.
Unfortunately as you've experienced, it's rarely just the drunk driver who gets hurt/killed.

I find it interesting that you call her an idiot, don't care if she dies, but won't "rat" her out in order to save others from her idiocy.
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Perhaps you'll get lucky and YOU will be the person your aunt kills, that way it will be a victimless crime.
Yeah, I guess it would be nice to pick and choose victims of other idiots, but to date, I've not seen it work in reality. The minivan she hits could be filled with Labret's family and other loved ones.
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The only thing I can hope for is she hits a minvan packed full of republicans on the way BushCon 04. Then she would be a martyr and I would put her face on posters and coffee mugs.
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I.. I think I just came. Beautifully said Carrie, beautifully delivered.
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All joking aside........ With respect to repeat offenders, in my opinion the punishment can never be too harsh. If you're stopped and found drunk a secont time, your license is gone, period, and you go to jail for a long time, period. If you lose your fucking job/house/wife/kids as a result of going to jail, so much the better. If you kill someone while driving drunk, you should be gone for life.
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well sometimes they hit lefties llike my husband ..if you were hit yourself and wouldn't take a second of your time to try to stop that from happening to another person then really I think you have misguided loyalties.
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All joking aside........ With respect to repeat offenders, in my opinion the punishment can never be too harsh. If you're stopped and found drunk a secont time, your license is gone, period, and you go to jail for a long time, period. If you lose your fucking job/house/wife/kids as a result of going to jail, so much the better. If you kill someone while driving drunk, you should be gone for life.
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I think the laws in quebec are thougher.

Just getting caught over the alchool limit, for a first offense, without any kind of accident of harm to other, will get you your license suspended, your car towed, and a criminal record.

Thats fine by me.
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I think the laws in quebec are thougher.

Just getting caught over the alchool limit, for a first offense, without any kind of accident of harm to other, will get you your license suspended, your car towed, and a criminal record.

Thats fine by me.
Manitoba's are at the very least equal to that, but MPIC has been saying for years that our DD'ing laws are the toughest in Canada.

Nice to see other areas following suit though.
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I think the laws in quebec are thougher.

Just getting caught over the alchool limit, for a first offense, without any kind of accident of harm to other, will get you your license suspended, your car towed, and a criminal record.

Thats fine by me.
Being caught over the limit is enough for a court date over here and 7 times out of 10 you'll be banned for about three months. Being twice over the limit will get you between 12 and 24 months. Three times over the limit and it's the judges discretion minimum of 28 months maximum of 5 years. Repeat offenders are hammered even harder.

Causing an injury now comes under the "reckless endangerment of life" charge and carries up to 6 years in jail. Causing a death is now "death by reckless driving while impeded by alcohol/drugs" and carries the same penalties as manslaughter.

The funny thing is that most people don't even know that they can be in a bar drinking, go home in a cab, get a good night sleep, wake up and have a hearty breakfast and still be over the limit when they go to pick up their car.
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The funny thing is that most people don't even know that they can be in a bar drinking, go home in a cab, get a good night sleep, wake up and have a hearty breakfast and still be over the limit when they go to pick up their car.
That would be REALLY heavy drinking

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They have those breathalizer machines in some of the clubs out here, and you'd think they would have them more but not the case.

Then they probably wouldn't sell as much booze.
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ahhhh and therein lies one of my favorite issues.

Republicans fucking hate everything Jews have been involved in (everything from communism to civil rights to womens suffrage), but they have to support Israel as evangelical xtianity forces them to. It seriously gives me a hardon.

You dont need to tell me about the influence of Jews on the left, I love every stinking fucking minute of it. Sociology, remember?
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Well done, PD.

Now let's hope that since you quit drinking, eventually your mind will clear and you'll stop being a liberal!
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Well done, PD.

Now let's hope that since you quit drinking, eventually your mind will clear and you'll stop being a liberal!
I was a liberal before I started drinking.

I am a liberal now that I no longer drink.

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Don't get me wrong, I'm not a big fan of drunk drivers but I'm gonna be a party pooper here and probably piss off a lot of people but the "war" against drunk driving will never stop until these people make sure you don't have Scope on your breath and drive. Well over half of the states have gone to a .08 standard now and there are states that are even now trying to push .06. Next stop will be an absolute ban. They are making it criminal to go to dinner and have a glass of wine or beer for crying out loud. The changes were forced on the states by blackmail by the feds.


The average BAC of a person involved in an accident is 1.6%

The answer isn't to legislate this stuff away cause it won't go away no matter how hard you try. The key is a societal change in how people view drinking, so instead of drinking to get drunk people are more responsible about drinking and drink in much mopre moderation.
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The answer isn't to legislate this stuff away cause it won't go away no matter how hard you try. The key is a societal change in how people view drinking, so instead of drinking to get drunk people are more responsible about drinking and drink in much mopre moderation.
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Old 12-01-2003   #50
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Sorry, how hard is it to take a cab after you've been drinking? You pick up a phone, dial a #, have another drink while you're waiting, then get driven home. If you plan on having a drink when you're out, then take a fucking cab to wherever it is you're going. If you can't afford cab fare, then either find a pub within walking distance or stay the fuck home.

Driving test after driving test has confirmed that even after a FEW drinks many people's senses become impaired (to different degrees). If slamming the shit out of some repeat offenders saves some lives, it's worth it.


Sorry, if alcohol has touched your lips, just don't fucking drive. That's the way it is.





And the legal limit in Manitoba has always been .08 for as long as I can remember this being an issue.
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