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There's no way there are 200 TGP owners making $35,000 /month. The 200th TGP is at 30k visitors/day which is nowhere near enough TGP traffic to make $35,000 in a month. Be lucky to make $3500 in a month.
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Originally posted by Colin@Jul 10 2003, 02:22 AM There's no way there are 200 TGP owners making $35,000 /month. The 200th TGP is at 30k visitors/day which is nowhere near enough TGP traffic to make $35,000 in a month. Probably not even enough to make $3500 in a month.
Robbie posted this himself on the maxcash board within the last 6-12 months so I guess it isnt telling tales out of school to say that AL4A was doing just under 50k/pm at that time.. (if you read the thread you would have believed he was being straight imo)
there may be 10 around his size.. and to best of my knowledge it drops off very fast from there..
Originally posted by JR@Jul 9 2003, 11:21 AM but Colin, wouldn't you agree that a safe bet is that 80% of the revenue is controlled by 20% of the people/companies? if we knew the value of the business, it would be probably the safest guess to just use Paretos law as a general guide.
Opti and I were discussing that above.
If true, you know the .80 number but nothing at all about the distribution.
If you know that online porn revenue is $2.5 billion/year and also know there are x companies, then you would know that
$2 billion is made by x/5 companies. Doesn't really give us more information than we started with other than an average. We don't know x anyway and even if we did it wouldn't help much.
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Originally posted by Opti@Jul 9 2003, 11:26 AM Robbie posted this himself on the maxcash board within the last 6-12 months so I guess it isnt telling tales out of school to say that AL4A was doing just under 50k/pm at that time.. (if you read the thread you would have believed he was being straight imo
$50k/month? For how many visitors/day?
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there should be a difference
between a player and a whaler
player - millionaire
whaler - 20+ millionaires
This needs to be added into the Oxford dictionary.
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It is easy to gross a million a mth.......get paid in Lira ;-=)))
Seriously though the "net" is the number to be interested in.
I reckon there are maybe 10 playas netting 5m a yr
Another 30 netting 1m plus.
Maybe 200 netting 500k.
With regd to major tgp/link list operators...they ,like everyone else,have ventured into other areas.I bet "so and so's Bookmarks" represents a minority of so and so's income now.
ie In 1997 I was purely a freesite operator doing the AVS trick and blinding the living shit out surfers
By 1998 se's were rocking
1999 added some freehosts in order to add some water to Serge's soup ;-))
Built some paysites.
2000 brokered traffic.
I think the day of being just a paysite owner or freesite owner has gone.
All alternate occupations for some on this board. ;-))))
KK,
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a lot of the "pimps" and "playas" of today will probably be found in the pimp graveyard by new years and they will be replaced by normal professional business people. i think that is something to look forward to
I guess I'll have to chill in my crib with my homies.
I am always open to business advise, especially from people who I know are as successful, or more successful than I am. (I always read everything marc de posts about business and finances).
But, I do not care for people posting on business chat boards/threads who can not balance a check book, get a car loan/mortgage, or have any business sense at all to make money. Not calling anyone out, there are a several people who value their online lives and persona more than reality, money in the bank.
I wonder how many people in this business would want the IRS to see emails where they not only admit to, but encourage others, to willfully defraud the IRS?
Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jul 9 2003, 09:00 AM It is easy to gross a million a mth.......get paid in Lira ;-=)))
Seriously though the "net" is the number to be interested in.
I reckon there are maybe 10 playas netting 5m a yr
Another 30 netting 1m plus.
Maybe 200 netting 500k.
With regd to major tgp/link list operators...they ,like everyone else,have ventured into other areas.I bet "so and so's Bookmarks" represents a minority of so and so's income now.
ie In 1997 I was purely a freesite operator doing the AVS trick and blinding the living shit out surfers
By 1998 se's were rocking
1999 added some freehosts in order to add some water to Serge's soup ;-))
Built some paysites.
2000 brokered traffic.
I think the day of being just a paysite owner or freesite owner has gone.
Now we have to be Jacks of all trades.
Regds,
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Props to my hos and bros...keep pimpin
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Let's not forget who pointed you in the right direction.
Nick, good point about being a jack of all trades. I am fortunate that my income comes from many sources, just not paysites. Also glad I do not depend too much on still content, as the floor dropped out of the market. All about many eggs in many baskets that has enabled me to turn a small profit for several years.
No doubt the market is getting tougher and tougher, and we are starting to see more people either leave the business, or crack under the pressure. People became accustomed to easy $, and like every business, it does not last long.
Just glad I put in those 18 hour days for 3 years straight to lay a strong foundation that will survive as long as I want it to.
Nick, still market will come back around, thats why we have not dropped prices at fresh photos, to keep our stuff exclusive. Day will come again where people will pay $500 ($1 a photo) for quality stuff that is not everywhere.
Brad, I think so also, you should have to "pay" for the exclusive quality pics, but the cheap(filler) stuff will be around also. Hell everyone has a 200/300 buck digital camera but me, and seems like it's no prob getting talent either.
But it'll wash out here shortly h34r:
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Originally posted by BradShaw@Jul 9 2003, 12:36 PM I think this thread should be closed to anyone without at least 7 figures in the bank.
Does that include the .00 at the end? If so, I will look to be posting sometime next year....
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I think this thread should be closed to anyone without atleast 7 figures in the bank.
I do not know many people who have 7 figures in the bank.... Other places to put money. ( under the mattress!! haha)
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I think this thread should be closed to anyone without atleast 7 figures in the bank.
I do not know many people who have 7 figures in the bank.... Other places to put money. ( under the mattress!! haha)
Good point....having 7 figures in the bank would be extremely stupid, particularly for people of our average collective age (which I heard was 33 or so)....
If I had any money, I would put it into real estate or businesses that don't require much, if any, owner participation...
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I use the terms "in the bank" loosely. Although I believe in keeping quite a bit of capital liquid, my financial advisor and I have found a happy medium. Smartest thing I ever did was spend 50+ hours with him over a couple weeks. Learned alot.
Brad, I have been working hard on getting on a budget as well....
It is tough to do....
$$ is not flowing like it used to, but I still spend way to much money on STUPID things... I am trying to fight the urges...
If I cannot stop, I hope you or Diamond Jim will give me a job!
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Well I do not follow the budget per se, but was very interesting to see all your spending broken down and presented to you via a 3rd party. Very eye opening. All those first class tickets add up, coach is not so bad after all!
I just try to be a bit more jewish, or like my favorite honorary jew DJ.
Real Estate is a great investment - especially at the interest rates...... It is a given if you are under 40. It will appreciate, while most of the 'hot wheels depreciate. There are as many ways to make money in real estate as there are ways to sell porn. Banks sure aren't paying much..... but a balanced profolio is what is needed, for both sunny and rainy days. The most important thing is to DEVERSIFY. The bottom line is always what counts.
MikeAI - thanks... Its true, I do wish the best for everyone!
I would guess that there are 5-7 guys doing $30 mil / year gross but that the top 2-3 are doing WAAYYYY more than $30 mil (as in 9 figures).
Net wise I would guess that the same 5-7 are doing $5 mil / year but again some are doing 4-5 multiples of that...
I would think counting all revenues spent in this business there might be 1 billion in gross receipts in this biz (not including inter market spending, if that is a real econ term). In other words, that 1 billion is NEW money, not money going towards the expense of that 1 billion (processing fees, commissions, hosting, content, etc...).
But, what the hell do I know... Its all a guessing game for us, guess that is what makes it fun!
Originally posted by Marc De@Jul 9 2003, 07:56 PM "I just try to be a bit more jewish, or like my favorite honorary jew DJ."
roflmao - now that is some funny shit!!!!!!!!!
I was dubbed an honorary Jew by JMM many moons ago....the ritual was secret and I'll never tell what was involved...
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Originally posted by Diamond Jim@Jul 9 2003, 09:12 PM I was dubbed an honorary Jew by JMM many moons ago....the ritual was secret and I'll never tell what was involved...
No need to keep a secret anymore - remember, the Supreme Court recently said it was OK!
Originally posted by Marc De@Jul 9 2003, 07:46 PM I would guess that there are 5-7 guys doing $30 mil / year gross but that the top 2-3 are doing WAAYYYY more than $30 mil (as in 9 figures).
Yeah... once I get to about 8 figures I lose count and have to start over
Originally posted by Sharpie@Jul 9 2003, 05:33 PM Real Estate is a great investment - especially at the interest rates...... It is a given if you are under 40. It will appreciate, while most of the 'hot wheels depreciate. There are as many ways to make money in real estate as there are ways to sell porn. Banks sure aren't paying much..... but a balanced profolio is what is needed, for both sunny and rainy days. The most important thing is to DEVERSIFY. The bottom line is always what counts.
Bingo! I know lots of people who had everything in tech stocks and took a real bath when the bubble burst. Smartest thing I've done is diversify, not only my portfolio in terms of stocks, bonds, funds, etc, but also real estate.
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