CE settles with acacia - Page 2

Mike AI · 07-05-2003

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And, for the record, I've been in this biz every day since early 96.
I may be "anon", but I haven't been wearing blinders.

Fore the record, you only come and and post to defend Ron and CE. I have no doubt you have been around for a long time, maybe as long as Ron has.... BUt you are still anon.....

Timon - you are right. Ron should look after his own interest, that is what I would have done. The issue I have is Ron always holds him self out as the savior, founder, _____________ (fill in blenk) of adult internet industry.

Of course we all know its BS, but many other fell for it.... so now, it is clearly exposed that Ron is about himsel, and no one else. ( again this si fine, but don't blow smoke up our asses)

That is all.....

*KK* · 07-05-2003

I don't know anyone in this business who isn't in it for themselves. This isn't a welfare state lol...

I wonder just how many people would have made the same choice that Ron did, given the opportunity.

gonzo · 07-05-2003

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Originally posted by *KK*@Jul 5 2003, 09:31 AM
I don't know anyone in this business who isn't in it for themselves. This isn't a welfare state lol...

I wonder just how many people would have made the same choice that Ron did, given the opportunity.

Obviously homegrown has certainly had the longest chance and hasnt done so. So theres one that could of...but didnt.

ANd yes it all about business but the same could be said for those were guilty of coming in and making the quick buck for themselves and then leaving just as fast as they blew into town.

If you look back I dont htink many people over all wish folks like Crescent, Seth etc well.

And then you have those stupid fucks that just make a negative impace on the biz by picking up waifs at the Greyhound station and fucking them and putting it up on Toledo web pages. Thats not even thinking with your wallet thats thinking with your dick-- and certainly putting more heat on the industry over all.

Business is indeed business ... but do you think its right for someone to poison the well we all are drinking from?

Mike AI · 07-05-2003

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I don't know anyone in this business who isn't in it for themselves. This isn't a welfare state

Depending on what the deal was, I would think anyone would have taken it. Economic Man looks out for himself, if everyone does that it makes the economy work at optimal levels.

Ron probably made the best decision.... and I would have done the same thing.

Difference is, I do not hold myself out as the leader/founder/king/pimp/player of the adult industry.

I am merely a guy trying to make a living....

Ron has always done things that benefit himself, but yet puts the industry in a tough spot - but he always managed to convince many people in the business that he was doing things not for himself, but for ALL OF US!

That is the only myth I am trying to destroy.

gonzo · 07-05-2003

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Originally posted by Mike AI@Jul 5 2003, 08:13 AM

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And, for the record, I've been in this biz every day since early 96.
I may be "anon", but I haven't been wearing blinders.

Fore the record, you only come and and post to defend Ron and CE. I have no doubt you have been around for a long time, maybe as long as Ron has.... BUt you are still anon.....

Timon - you are right. Ron should look after his own interest, that is what I would have done. The issue I have is Ron always holds him self out as the savior, founder, _____________ (fill in blenk) of adult internet industry.

Of course we all know its BS, but many other fell for it.... so now, it is clearly exposed that Ron is about himsel, and no one else. ( again this si fine, but don't blow smoke up our asses)

That is all.....

I didnt know Ron worked with AL Gore.....

*KK* · 07-05-2003

Michael, you've done business with Ron in the past, and you know he's going to do what suits him. Period. Lord knows he and I have a somewhat vitriolic past but I still don't see where he has 'poisoned the well' as someone said.

If that's all the poison that ever got into this well then it would be a different business entirely. One that didn't make anyone a damn dime I bet.

BradShaw · 07-05-2003

Funny thing is that Ron says he no longer owns ce or cecash. So why would he settle with them, would they not be after the "real" owners? haha

gonzo · 07-05-2003

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Originally posted by *KK*@Jul 5 2003, 06:03 PM
Michael, you've done business with Ron in the past, and you know he's going to do what suits him. Period. Lord knows he and I have a somewhat vitriolic past but I still don't see where he has 'poisoned the well' as someone said.

If that's all the poison that ever got into this well then it would be a different business entirely. One that didn't make anyone a damn dime I bet.

Im with mike and Far L and even Brad on this one...we are all trying to make a living and leave being the "icon" of the industry to others.

Besides...I cant piss in the well. My dick is too small to be going around waving let alone long enough to hanging out.

Does this mean the piggy back rides are off KK?

It was a rhetorical statement as far as poisoning the well.

I was refering specifically to Ron but more in reference to the cumulate effect of all the greed heads who do drive by in this business.

Ron himself alone does little more than to piss in the well.

That alone aint gonna turn it "Big Time Green".

BradShaw · 07-05-2003

Odds on FM making it to Miami? I would bet he does not show his face.

Last edited by BradShaw at Jul 5 2003, 07:17 PM

Timon · 07-05-2003

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Originally posted by Mike AI@Jul 5 2003, 11:13 AM
Timon - you are right. Ron should look after his own interest, that is what I would have done. The issue I have is Ron always holds him self out as the savior, founder, _____________ (fill in blenk) of adult internet industry.

Good PR is just another ingredient of a successful business, can't blame someone for marketing himself as good as he can.

But you're right, he's definitely not the angel he made himself out to be and anyone stupid enough to buy his angel act in the past can clearly see the true Ron now ;-)

Mike AI · 07-05-2003

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But you're right, he's definitely not the angel he made himself out to be and anyone stupid enough to buy his angel act in the past can clearly see the true Ron now ;-)

Only point I was making.....

Opti · 07-06-2003

Any regular here that has done any business with ron has probably been shafted in one way or another.. I know he has got me twice.

Whoever that anon is must be living with their head up someone's ass... People don't speak up about ron's antics often enough.. It's refeshing to see some credible people happy to post what a backstabbing untrustworthy asshole he is.

That's a funny one about how he claims he doesn't own CEcash at the first sign of any heat.. anyone remember him spouting that same line about when his scam to spam agecheck prior to selling it fell apart too. There was no shortage of money at that time.. but he still made greedy self serving decisions and left a bunch of "his people" out in the cold.. much like what he appears to have done again now.

Someone suggested other people might have done the same thing in the same position.. Where does that come from? A few might think it seems like an advantage in hindsight.. but over the last year there hasn't been a hint of any other old name shafting the industry like this.. and it is a shaft.. I hope it turns sideways on him personally

Dont let him have anything to do with your fight far-l/moff.. he will only be looking for opportunites to shaft you further.. Best defense is a good offence.. could you attack acacia on basis of Ron's agreement with them.. Don't know much about the US fair trading or restraint of trade laws, but if they can offer that deal to CE can acacia be forced to apply it industry wide possibly? At least that way everyone gets to enjoy the benefit of "ron's insurance policy"

If those non-disclosure agreements could be ruled invalid.. I wouldn't mind betting a dollar that the details in there wouldn't help acacia's long term cause either

The Truth Hurts · 07-06-2003

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Whoever that anon is must be living with their head up someone's ass... People don't speak up about ron's antics often enough.. It's refeshing to see some credible people happy to post what a backstabbing untrustworthy asshole he is.

You didn't actually use the word "credible" in this thread did you?

Timon · 07-06-2003

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Originally posted by The Truth Hurts@Jul 6 2003, 03:49 PM
You didn't actually use the word "credible" in this thread did you?

What were you thinking Opti??

TTH and "credible" don't go in the same thread!

07-05-2003	#57
BradShaw Members Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,216	Funny thing is that Ron says he no longer owns ce or cecash. So why would he settle with them, would they not be after the "real" owners? haha __________________ please report me to the IRS and get reward

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BradShaw Members Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,216	Odds on FM making it to Miami? I would bet he does not show his face. Last edited by BradShaw at Jul 5 2003, 07:17 PM __________________ please report me to the IRS and get reward

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KK Members Respin bullshit press Your Comments Are Welcomed Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 2,581	I don't know anyone in this business who isn't in it for themselves. This isn't a welfare state lol... I wonder just how many people would have made the same choice that Ron did, given the opportunity.

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Opti Members Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 1,205	Any regular here that has done any business with ron has probably been shafted in one way or another.. I know he has got me twice. Whoever that anon is must be living with their head up someone's ass... People don't speak up about ron's antics often enough.. It's refeshing to see some credible people happy to post what a backstabbing untrustworthy asshole he is. That's a funny one about how he claims he doesn't own CEcash at the first sign of any heat.. anyone remember him spouting that same line about when his scam to spam agecheck prior to selling it fell apart too. There was no shortage of money at that time.. but he still made greedy self serving decisions and left a bunch of "his people" out in the cold.. much like what he appears to have done again now. Someone suggested other people might have done the same thing in the same position.. Where does that come from? A few might think it seems like an advantage in hindsight.. but over the last year there hasn't been a hint of any other old name shafting the industry like this.. and it is a shaft.. I hope it turns sideways on him personally Dont let him have anything to do with your fight far-l/moff.. he will only be looking for opportunites to shaft you further.. Best defense is a good offence.. could you attack acacia on basis of Ron's agreement with them.. Don't know much about the US fair trading or restraint of trade laws, but if they can offer that deal to CE can acacia be forced to apply it industry wide possibly? At least that way everyone gets to enjoy the benefit of "ron's insurance policy" If those non-disclosure agreements could be ruled invalid.. I wouldn't mind betting a dollar that the details in there wouldn't help acacia's long term cause either