Way back when, oprano was...

I know the war and other political issues have been going on but is the board still more marketing and search engine optimization oriented or has teh board switched premiss to more of a hangout and a place to toss around opinions? (which is not a bad thing just not what i need right now)

If its the latter does anyone know of a good board to discuss ideas and issues on?

Its the prior then id like some thoughts on a new domain I just grabbed and want to develop to promote sponsors. adultmagazine.org

What would you do with it? And who would you promote if you were going to use it that way.

Thanks in advance.

-Lou

[Mike AI]

Loun everything is discussed here.

As far as the domain I am no fan of .org.

As far as developing it to promote sponsors, is there need for another site for this? There must be hundreds now.

You would time and domain would probably be best invested doing something else with it.

Just my 2 cents.

As far as developing it to promote sponsors, is there need for another site for this? There must be hundreds now.

You would time and domain would probably be best invested doing something else with it.

Just my 2 cents.

1. i agree, since there are so many porn sites on teh net we should all stop developing and just look for something else to sell.

2. i thrive off people telling me that its not really worth the time because it wont have much value to do, so thank you.

Anyone else have any thoughts about sponsors / a plan of action? im looking for opinions of all ages.

-lou

btw my goal will be a 500 - 1000 a month rev stream within 5 months of development and it will be a simple design possibly only a couple pages at that.



Last edited by Loun at Apr 11 2003, 04:09 PM

[*KK*]

Originally posted by Loun@Apr 11 2003, 04:08 PM
btw my goal will be a 500 - 1000 a month rev stream within 5 months of development and it will be a simple design possibly only a couple pages at that.

Let's clarify here please --

You want to build something to make you $500-1000 per month? or is that 500-1000 joins per month, of whatever sort there might be from this?

[sarettah]

Loun....

Did you check out Voltars place (www.vnwr.com) like I mentioned over at Dig's place ?

ah sorry that will be anotehr 1000$ per month revenue stream for me. Will require no work and no real maintenance. So i an live with just it making 1000$ a month unless I choose to really put some effort into it and expand.


I also wanted to celarify that i meant no disrespect to Mike. I asked for opinions and i got his and I understand whre hes coming from but its not where im going hehe

And if you are going to say 1000$ a month isnt anything you are right 12k a year isnt that much until you have 5 sites making it then thats 60k a year for doing next to nothing

Loun....

Did you check out Voltars place (www.vnwr.com) like I mentioned over at Dig's place ?

thanks, im actually looking more to inspire some conversation and get some thoughts as well as ideas. And to pick up some reports or suggestions from anyone currently promoting magazines or free ezines...

These are of course assumptions but I am sure some of the top adult magazines have affiliate programs as wee as freeezines and ezinebucks and so on. I just havent had dealings or experience with many of hte owners of those said programs and would like to really only promote peoples stuff that i know or hear good things about, from people i respect in the industry.

I did bookmark that site for future reference or to point out to newbies until im done developing my own resource site

[Vick]

Way back when, oprano was...

was ynottoppond and Billy and I discussed food he he he he

[kath]

I've found Oprano to be a living, breathing organism that responds to the ebb and flow of the industry. Whatever is on the minds of the average webmaster, ends up being discussed on these pages. It's an excellent reflection of the state of our industry.

Yes...this little war thing is weighing heavily on many peoples' minds.
Yes...there are a lot of other political issues to discuss as well.

But look through the discussions - the discussions that might seem they are about trivial topics - and you will find talk of processing concerns, new ideas, potential options, hot niches, newbie questions, fresh programs, deals being initiated, etc.

Everything on Oprano is relative to the adult industry in one way or another - even if it doesn't seem so from first glance. So....yes, you've come to the right place to discuss webmaster topics & ask questions. Looks like you've already gotten some feedback and some great information on places that can help you get going.

Good luck and welcome to Oprano!

kath thanks for the welcome. I was here when it was still the threadless message board. im not downplaying the forum. I was merely asking if there was a better resource out there that is more on target for the topic i was looking to discuss. Thats not to say i wouldnt express my thoughts and opinions here as well.

I will continue to but, will also look for another option, possibly including just starting a smaller forum for my own personal use which I hate to do because there are just so many out there already but just like GFY many turn into things they shuoldnt really be and become of very little assistance to anyone other than a place to chat Which is important but doesn't always lead to building new business.

I have met a couple people already through the board here and I have been part of a couple other boards in the past and seen them go through their ups and downs as well.

AdultMagazine.org any other thoughts or suggestions.

Loun, what you 'estimate' a site to generate per month is really just number, nothing more. When that number comes printed on check then you can talk about multiplying it across 5 sites. It's just reality, it's a lesson you learn after a few months.

Not all sites generate the same revenue: with so many variables in search rankings, linking, even your personal effort, I've found it difficult to replicate the same results for each & every site.

As far as developing your site, the most important aspect is to work out how you intend to get your traffic, what is your traffic development plan? traffic is money in this business, whether is its webmasters or surfers, building traffic = making dollars.
What will be your traffic source: google, setup a PPC strategy, work on the traffic trading model?

The establishment cost of site is so low so why start with one site, why limit yourself to just 5? Why not jump in and develop 20 to start with? $300 for domains + about $300 a month in hosting + about $300 month in content. When you scale up this model, to develop sites, it only costs about $50 per year per site, even less if you fully automate. If you run a focused operation and the average site generates 10+ signups per month then you are making a profit on your time. Even as sales drop off after 3 months, setup a plan to revisit & repeat the process again.
Replicate & Scale. Repeat. Replicate & Scale. Repeat. Replicate & Scale. Repeat.

My own traffic strategy is just like retailers: find good sources of traffic that are easy to get access to, select a niche market, develop a site specifically for that market, promote & get links for that site, build traffic, market & sell to traffic. then replicate. I spend 5 hours a day supervising site development.

Many of the most successful traffic generators in business use the same strategy, take webfather for instance, he makes money from type-in traffic to his domains, with domains like porno.com & orgy.com he makes hundreds of signups per month, but not content with that he even buys domains that may only get a few signups per month. If a domain that makes 1 sale per month only cost you $10 to buy, then you've made a profit in the first month, replicate that 100 times.



Last edited by meatloaf at Apr 11 2003, 05:10 PM

[cj]

When was oprano ever about search engines and marketing?



unless search engine is another word for tits and marketing is another word for ass



turn the domain into a link list, do some seo and link swaps, put up a few banners and there's your extra $1k a month

oprano has always been about: tits, ass & a MAD russian

[Vick]

Originally posted by cj@Apr 11 2003, 08:10 PM
When was oprano ever about search engines and marketing?



unless search engine is another word for tits and marketing is another word for ass

PEARL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -
Can you work earning more money in there somehow too CJ :P

[cj]

LOL

I thought that was just a given!

meatloaf thanks

Just want to point out a couple things. I have already gone through owning about 600 domains, I curerntly have 300 or so left. I sold a bunch including a package deal for $20K i haev multiple servers at my disposal to use and i do my own development and search engine markeint for myself as well as some of my closest friends. For the most part every domain / site I have put effort into has gotten on its main page of google for its respective keyword.

As far as rick and his board, yep been there, done that, for a while I was its youngest member. I learned quite a bit there before in my opinion the board started to be less incitefull and began to be more of a battlefield, I forsaw being ousted out of the group so I chose to part ways. So yea been there done that too. Great bunch of guys for the most part though, a lot that I still talk with daily.

In this day and age noone can replicate what rick has done, domains arent as easily had and the ones that get a ton of typein traffic are costly. This is why I prefer to register a domain for 8$ put a tiny bit of time into reseaching it, setting it up and letting it make money. Site back and wait to catch the domain that will let you retire.

I basically took a year off from "internet crap" to deal with some health issues. Im back healthy again and am ready to start building my empire again. it wont just be five sites but im pointing out that 5 sites that I will have to do little to can make over 60k a year. I have one mainstream site that i caught hell over and was told I couldnt do it that made 2k last month and that made 18k in commisions last year, so that one is above that 1k a month mark.

Just want to point out since not all of you know me, that im not a newbie and i can handle myself but on the flipside i value thoughts, opinions and like to brainstorm whether its helping me or helping someone else doesnt matter.

To answer the traffic question though I think i can generate a lot of traffic through google alone when i get to the top 10 for that keyword phrase. As far as numbers:
a little over 21,000 searches last month in overture driven sites so there are queries being run.

Im not saying it will be easy im saying it will be fun and will work. i jsut need opinions on sponsors...

[*KK*]

Perhaps http://thestatistician.com might be of some help if you are looking to do something on a small scale.

KK thank you that site is a little hard to get used to but i think it will be very helpful

[Carrie]

Didn't ICANN pass something where they were going to start cracking down on .org domains that weren't really organizations?
I remember something about it... tell me someone remembers and I won't have to go look it up

[Robert]

Originally posted by cj@Apr 11 2003, 08:10 PM
turn the domain into a link list, do some seo and link swaps, put up a few banners and there's your extra $1k a month

That's the ticket right there

[Billy]

Originally posted by Vick@Apr 11 2003, 07:35 PM

was ynottoppond and Billy and I discussed food he he he he

The good ole days : )

[Mike AI]

sorry that will be anotehr 1000$ per month revenue stream for me. Will require no work and no real maintenance.

I think this could be your problem. You expect to make $1k a month with no work? Will you teach me how to do this? I would like to get to a situation where I do not have to work and have revenues streams roll in...

To be honest, the only way you can let revenues roll in like that is if you have a domain that has traffic on its own. Without traffic, and work the domain is worth about $15


Carrie, I remember reading something about a crack down on .ORG domains.

Didn't ICANN pass something where they were going to start cracking down on .org domains that weren't really organizations?

yes and no and i do know what you are speaking of. Im not worried and if they are itnerested at some point in taking it away from me then there are more to back it up which also adds mroe value to the 1k revenue stream ideas as opposed to full out site development on that name.

turn the domain into a link list, do some seo and link swaps, put up a few banners and there's your extra $1k a month

is similar to the idea that i will more than likely end up doing.

[Menace]

You can definitely make money with that .org - I don't care for anything but .com's but I've had plenty of people kick my butt in search engine listings with the .org version of my .com for the same keyword(s). So barring any potential ICANN problems down the road, you've got a name... USE it.

First thing I'd do is put SOMETHING up there. I've never had a name with dns that didn't have at least an empty page with a sponsor link of some kind.

Pack the thing with free xxx ezine stuff and normal sponsor links, paysites are just a magazine with an extra dimension or two..

Time, money, effort and willingess to learn and change are essentially all you need and you appear to have those things.

-Dennis

Dennis thanks

I've never had a name with dns that didn't have at least an empty page with a sponsor link of some kind.

I had registered the domain name yesturday so still havent gotten somethign up but will today I hope.

[*KK*]

Originally posted by Mike AI@Apr 11 2003, 08:05 PM
I think this could be your problem. You expect to make $1k a month with no work? Will you teach me how to do this? I would like to get to a situation where I do not have to work and have revenues streams roll in...

I'll take 100 of those --

mike sorry I must have missed that reply earlier. As far as it being a problem setting those sites up. It really isnt. Setting a site up to make 500$ a month is farily easy 1000$ a month in my opinion is not that hard either if you have a capable domain. This .org in my opinion is capaable and when I get it to that range ti will not take much work at all to keep it there.

And yes maybe sometime I can in fact teach you how to do it I will let you know with progress reports on how this name does. I expect to be at 1k a month within 3-4 months, and thats not because I will be working that long at it, its more just waiting for indexes and because i have so much other crap on my plate right now.

You expect to make $1k a month with no work?

As I said I do have a mainstream book domain what is a type in and I now make 1500-2000 a month with it and last year made 17k with it (first year with it up) and I think total including hosting and domain name i spent 608.88$ in marketing (400 to buy yahoo inclusion) and I probably spent 100 hours maybe on the site.


Adultmagazine.org will be put to work in a mean way and will see what i can do with it. I love challenges and I thrive off devils advocates

Enjoy the weekend



Last edited by Loun at Apr 12 2003, 09:48 PM

[Mike AI]

Loun, what it the mainstream domain? I bet it gets much more typeing or has some kind of native traffic - from SEs, or something.

Let us know how your experiment works, keep us updated.... I think we are all curious now.

Oh and good luck!

thanks and will definitely keep you guys posted

[sarettah]

There once was something here, but it fucking disappeared...

I hate when that happens




Last edited by sarettah at Apr 15 2003, 01:19 AM