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Originally posted by DAMNMAN@Jan 29 2003, 11:21 AM I believe you are correct about the nuclear first strike being the only way to win a war with North Korea (It would be horrible of course) and also being a road we would rather not go down. I started a thread on this topic the other day.
The genie has been out of the bottle since 1945.
It's not reasonable in any way. It's not going to happen. The genie is back in the bottle and the US is not going to uncork it.
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and my message to the rest of the world
I used to be such a sweet, sweet thing
'Til they got a hold of me.
I opened doors for little old ladies,
I helped the blind to see.
I'm gettin' real shot down
And I'm feeling mean.
No more Mister Nice Guy,
No more Mister Clean,
No more Mister Nice Guy
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I have no reason why the "Libs" fear the word GOD so much, 'cause I'm not a liberal.
One thing I do know is that I don't want to be burned at the stake as a heritic because of my non-religious (anti-religious) views.
I cannot see how anyone with an IQ over 100 could believe the religious psycho-babble that has been spewed by zealots through-out ages in the light of today's knowledge and science.
Either brain washing from birth or peer presure is responsable for this mass stupidity, just like those poor bastards in the middle east who would be tortured or killed if they said Alah was a crock of shit.
PD and Sword... I was just talking with someone in our office who told me basically the same thing. And that they have always sat there like "bumps on a log" during the State of the Union. Guess I just never noticed before...
I could live with a "God" thrown in here & there if I didn't know he was saying it more for effect (and as a nod to his butt-buddies in the Christian Coalition) than as a man with a true passion for his faith. I think his fake preachy ass-kissing, giving fed money -- and worse yet, putting such emphasis on it -- to faith-based organizations is a mistake, and IMO it's a slap in the face to Americans who believe the principle of a "wall of separation" to be critical to Liberty.
The thing that had ME screaming in my car on the freeway was that this fucktard has a TEAM of people to write his speeches and coach him in precisely how to deliver every word, gesture and nuance -- and yet he must have used the non-word "nuke-u-lar" at least a dozen times. For the love of GOD, can't someone in his entourage sit this monkey down and make him repeat "nuc-le-ar, nuc-le-ar" until he can pronounce it properly?
I am against anything he wants to do that gives gov't more power over and access into the lives of Americans -- Terrorists still scare me far less than rampant government intrusion into the lives of citizens does.
Now I must put on the bar-coded employee ID, and the swipe card I must use to gain access to the parking lot, the building door, the lobby desk, and finally my floor from the elevator, and get my ass to work!!!
Originally posted by DAMNMAN@Jan 29 2003, 11:41 AM I cannot see how anyone with an IQ over 100 could believe the religious psycho-babble that has been spewed by zealots through-out ages in the light of today's knowledge and science.
I used to think this too. In time though I've had to abandon the hypothesis. I've met a lot of really bright people that believe in a God. History is filled with examples in case you don't know any personally.
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Originally posted by Vick@Jan 29 2003, 11:34 AM I'm taking over control of the USA
and my message to the rest of the world
I used to be such a sweet, sweet thing
'Til they got a hold of me.
I opened doors for little old ladies,
I helped the blind to see.
I'm gettin' real shot down
And I'm feeling mean.
No more Mister Nice Guy,
No more Mister Clean,
No more Mister Nice Guy
Originally posted by Rox@Jan 29 2003, 11:50 AM
The thing that had ME screaming in my car on the freeway was that this fucktard has a TEAM of people to write his speeches and coach him in precisely how to deliver every word, gesture and nuance -- and yet he must have used the non-word "nuke-u-lar" at least a dozen times. For the love of GOD, can't someone in his entourage sit this monkey down and make him repeat "nuc-le-ar, nuc-le-ar" until he can pronounce it properly?
My wife "Shannon Rush" and I loose our fuckin' minds everytime this guy says "nuke-u-lar" .
I can't understand why they haven't fixed that.
Jimmy Carter used to do it too!
Because immediately after WW II the policy of the government became to use the nuclear arsenal as a deterrence. Panel recommendations have even concluded that the US should not even threaten to use nuclear weapons in response to conventional. chemical, or biological attacks. Mainly because it is believed that conventional forces are powerful enough to deliver a retaliatory blow. Certainly the US or any country holding such weapons reserves the right to retaliate with such however a pre-=emptive strike of that kind would be completely against all US policy to date and extremely unlikely.
A few years ago there were rumors that the US was planning to use nuclear weapons to destroy Iraqi chemical storage facilities and the US had to release a statement that even if there were a biological or chemical attack against the US, the US would respond with a devastating retaliatory strike without using nuclear weapons. - in line with panel recommendations.
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During 2001-FEB to APR, the Graduate Center of the City University of New York conducted an American Religious Identification Survey (ARIS). It was a massive poll, questioning 50,281 American adults about their religious affiliations during 2001-FEB to APR. 2 They obtained some results that are noticeably different from the Pluralism Project's data. The differences are mainly because they asked their poll subjects what religion they considered themselves to be, rather than what religion they were actually affiliated with. Results included: 76.5% of American adults are Christian (52% Protestant; 24.5% Catholic).
14.1% do not follow any organized religion; they are Agnostics, Atheists, Humanists, Secularists, or have no religious affiliation.
1.3% are Jewish.
0.5% are Muslim, followers of Islam.
0.5% are Buddhist.
0.4% are Hindu.
0.3% are Unitarian Universalist.
0.1% are Neopagan (Druids, Pagans, Wiccans, etc)
There are many more small religions, each of whom are followed by fewer than 0.1% of American adults.
Interesting, only 24% catholic....
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Originally posted by Torone@Jan 29 2003, 08:30 AM GiGi,
WTF you talkin' about? Cutting taxes is not Socialist. Helping the truly needy might be construed that way; but it is also the American way. I would prefer it to be done via charities; but as long as I don't have to give to both...
Helping the truly needy might be construed that way; but it is also the American way.
Sooo, the American way has Socialist leanings then?
Tax cuts were not what I was talking about. I was talking about:
- alloting 600M to kids in need
- alloting $? to medical for elderly
- alloting $? to drug rehabilitation
These are ALL social programs....the very same social programs you have expressed that you abhor in the past......BUT, it IS the American way after all.
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Originally posted by RawAlex@Jan 29 2003, 12:56 PM The differences are mainly because they asked their poll subjects what religion they considered themselves to be, rather than what religion they were actually affiliated with.
I don't think even this poll gives an accurate perception of the division of religions in America.
I know MANY people who were born and raised in a particular religion, and who would say 'I'm Catholic', or 'I'm Jewish', but they do not practice their religion, nor believe in what it teaches.
Their only connection is the fact that they were raised that way....
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Originally posted by gigi@Jan 29 2003, 01:13 PM I know MANY people who were born and raised in a particular religion, and who would say 'I'm Catholic', or 'I'm Jewish', but they do not practice their religion, nor believe in what it teaches.
Their only connection is the fact that they were raised that way....
GiGi, I think you are correct on this... I refrained from point out that, as an example, I am technically "protestant", but I sure wouldn't be able to pickout a protestant church on a map of my neighborhood.
I went to Catholic private school, and their only choices for religeon was "Catholic" or "none"... very inclusionarty!
Seriously, I think you could take a big percentage of protestants, plus a fair bit of each of the other groups, and quickly find 60-70% that are reasonably non-religeous... labeled, perhaps, but not part of the organized church.
I suspect that Bush will suffer in the long run from his inability to seperate church and state properly in his own mind. It could go nuke-a-lur...
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Originally posted by DAMNMAN@Jan 28 2003, 10:06 PM He needs to leave GOD out of the fucking office and keep it at home.
I didn't vote in the poll 'cause my choice wasn't up there:
Pretty OK speach but quit (typo edited) sucking god's dick already!!!
I agree with Doug on this.
I felt like there was too much pep talking like he was trying to cushion the fall before dropping the bomb.
I don't trust Bush. I never have.
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I thought it was one of his best speeches so far. He seems alot more confident, but that is what's scaring the international community and all the God references will only strengthen his being perceived as the leader of a crusade.
I was pleasantly surprised by the bag of goodies he opened even internationally like the Aids relief help, hopefully that will go a long way to smooth some of the anti-american sentiment abroad. The other stuff seems to be just usual speech 'filler'. Medical help, etc. I still don't have it I keep hearing about it for decades.
Notice the focus from Axis of Evil to Target Iraq Evil! This speech pretty much cemented in my mind the idea that Iraq deposing Saddam THIS YEAR is the only acceptable outcome of this conflict as far as the administration sees it, as this should be, anything less is suicidal for the whole republican party, certainly for the Bush family and inner circle associates.
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