Why The Un Is A Joke

[OldJeff]

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/01/28/...ence/index.html

The two largest supporters of terrorism, maybe number 2 and 3 after our "friends" in Saudi Arabia

[Mutt]

i so badly want Saudi Arabia to finally have to pay for their treachery.
more than Iraq - Hussein, al Quaeda, are puppets.

The Western world's biggest shame is that it hasn't come up with an alternative form of fueling our cars and industry. All the fucking billions wasted in the dotcom gold goldrush - put all that money into research and you'd have a substitute for oil and probably a cure for cancer.

Originally posted by Mutt@Jan 29 2003, 07:55 AM
i so badly want Saudi Arabia to finally have to pay for their treachery.
more than Iraq - Hussein, al Quaeda, are puppets.

The Western world's biggest shame is that it hasn't come up with an alternative form of fueling our cars and industry. All the fucking billions wasted in the dotcom gold goldrush - put all that money into research and you'd have a substitute for oil and probably a cure for cancer.

There are already reliable alternatives for oil, yet the large oil companies are not too happy about giving up their position so we won't see alot of cars using these techniques for a while.


John
BigCash.com

[RawAlex]

John, there won't be any real replacement for oil while you have a "big oil" president in the whitehouse. All of the money being tossed at alternative fuel development is just a cover for not taking more direct action.

If you want to lower fuel consumption, tax gasoline higher, and give a tax break back to companies based on their actual fuel consumption. That would raise income for the government, lower fuel use (how many of you would drive your 10 mpg SUVs when you are paying $3 a gallon for gas?), and would lower overall fuel consumption by quite a bit. Right now, the cost of gas in the US is lower than almost anywhere in the world, including a number of the producing nations. That just isn't right, especially faced with crumbling road infrastructure.

More importantly, alternative fuels and electrification has to be looked at as a "total" system. Gasahol is one of the funniest things ever, because it takes almost twice as much energy 130,000 btus to generate a gallon of 77,000 btu gasahol. It's a loss system from the word go, you might as well burn whatever gave you the 130,000 btus to start with! Electrification is a joke, because the cars are being charged up, after losses for transmission and generation, by oil, coal, and natural gas in most cases. So in fact, all you have is a feel good situation that uses more energy and generates more pollution, not less.

The greatest gains in fuel economy can be made in the next 10 years by weaning people away from their gas hogs and into more reasonable vehicles... and allowing the rich to drive what they like, providing they are willing to pay for it.

Alex

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by RawAlex@Jan 29 2003, 12:19 PM
tax gasoline higher

Wrong country, Alex. I think you got confused there for a second.

[ulfie]

RawAlex, why stop at $3/gallon? Why don't we make it $10/gallon? Oh wait, I forgot, lettuce would go from .39 a head to $4 because trucks run on gas as well. But I guess only rich people buy lettuce so it's ok.

[Vick]

If you want to lower fuel consumption, tax gasoline higher

Alex - that is the worst idea you've ever had!!
It would cause spiraling inflation of proportions no one can even imagine

The inflation of the 70's was a direct result of increasing oil prices

Right now, the cost of gas in the US is lower than almost anywhere in the world, including a number of the producing nations. That just isn't right,

Ah... why isn't it right - because you have to pay more living in Canada

[Vick]

This comes back to a real problem I have
The rest of the world in their short sighted vision want the USA to live down to their standards instead of trying to live up to the USA standards of living

[gigi]

Originally posted by Vick@Jan 29 2003, 01:02 PM
This comes back to a real problem I have
The rest of the world in their short sighted vision want the USA to live down to their standards instead of trying to live up to the USA standards of living

Sorry, one Canadian does not a Canada make.

Our gas isn't THAT much more expensive....you are talking like we are paying 5x what you are...just isn't so...

Not to mention that I don't see our 'higher taxes' causing the Canadian market to "spiral inflation of proportions no one can even imagine"

Lastly, you are assuming that the 'American Way' is the best way....the 'highest' standards...For me as a Canadian, I know we have problems, but dayam, I love living in Canada....our 'Standards' are pretty high if I do say so myself.....in fact, in some ways Canadian standards surpass American standards. [Ex: FDA approval is higher here]





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[Mike AI]

This comes back to a real problem I have
The rest of the world in their short sighted vision want the USA to live down to their standards instead of trying to live up to the USA standards of living

Vick you hit on the number #1 reason why there is so much discord with the US in the world. Simple jealously. It is ashame, that lots of people in foreign lands are jealous and instead of working hard to be the land of plenty like the US, want to take it away so we can go down like them.

This is the liberal philosophy - bring everything down to lowest common denominator. That is why liberals want to tax the rich at huge rates, lower education standards in public schools, etc.. etc.... all they do is lower everyones standard of living rather then working hard to raise other peoples.

I read a long article about prsperity amoungst countries. Back when the US fought the war of Independence - the US was a poor 2nd world country. Yet within 120 years or so, we became a power house. Was this because of internalional aid? is this because countires gave us money/aid? Was there a world bank and other things like this to help us get a leg up?

As Terry Tate, the PAIN TRAIN would say " HELL NO!!" What allowed us to become a world power and grow from a third world poor country to first world is FREEDOM, LIBERTY, PROPERTY RIGHT, CONTRATUAL RIGHT that are enforced by fair LEGAL SYSTEM, free market economics, and of course the Gov't not interfering and taxing people to death and trying to control their lives!

So all you people who live in snd rate Nations - I suggest you hit the streets and try and get your gov't to stop being so socialist, and understsdn the above concepts.

OF course the problem is, the United States has forgotten its past, and its formula to success - at least the democratic party, and other liberal groups have and they work hard everyday for the US to become more like the rest of the world.... lowering OUR standards!

[gigi]

Simple jealously.

I giggle every time I see someone write this....

[Peaches]

Originally posted by gigi@Jan 29 2003, 02:22 PM
in fact, in some ways Canadian standards surpass American standards. [Ex: FDA approval is higher here]

If the approval is higher, then your standards aren't as strict

[RawAlex]

GiGi, I would giggle if they weren't all that serious about it.

Vick, low fuel prices in the US are artificial, and they hurt your economy more than you can imagine. They hit you in the pocket book as well, you just don't know it.

How many federal tax dollars are spent per year for roads (just highways!)? How much does that cost each taxpayer? Gas taxes shift the burden from taxpayers to road users - and collects taxes from all those visitors that come to your country each year - millions of tourists, driving rental cars, helping to pay for the roads that they travel on for free.

Inflation is a non-issue, because the total costs for roads won't move, just the burden - in the end, the same money is collected, possibly from different people. As a "user pays" type tax, it is exactly the sort of thing the non-socialists are interested in. Instead of everyone pays, it becomes the end user pays.

Yes, you would see some price increases for shipped goods - but there would also be more money in the pockets of americans as the tax rate drops to reflect the lower budger requirements of the roads... collection an extra couple of billion on one side, you can drop the public's taxes by a couple of billion on the other side.

More importantly for all you "well to do americans", you can continue to enjoy your big cars, SUVs, and other trappings of the american way without issue, you rights are not being cut off.... your standard of living isn't being dropped...

Isn't "user pays" a Conservative pillar?

Alex

[gigi]

Originally posted by Peaches+Jan 29 2003, 01:38 PM-->