I am 12clicks dammit!

[tony404]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

But its still time to clean up this business. Making scammers and those who promote them welcome just makes it easier for them to continue. That costs you and I money because the customers...remember them??? lose confidence in our business because they get burned. That is when they move on to free tubes etc. We need to restore consumer confidence after a decade of trying to beat them up. Our product is a bit outside the norm, but our business practices should not be.

I agree with everything you say but we work in the short sighted industry. You got a very large percentage of hosts in bed with pirates and if it wasnt for porn most of them would be working at Starbucks . You got major processors supporting cross sales and now check people also.You got fucking AVN giving a lifetime achievement award to the founder of a company that basically funds piracy thru ad buys and affiliate deals. Alot of people made alot of money inspite of themselves and now that time is coming to a close. Its going to get worse and worse sadly. Do you see the music industry buying ads space on sites that trade their shit? This industry is its own worst enemy.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by tony404

I agree with everything you say but we work in the short sighted industry. You got a very large percentage of hosts in bed with pirates and if it wasnt for porn most of them would be working at Starbucks . You got major processors supporting cross sales and now check people also.You got fucking AVN giving a lifetime achievement award to the founder of a company that basically funds piracy thru ad buys and affiliate deals. Alot of people made alot of money inspite of themselves and now that time is coming to a close. Its going to get worse and worse sadly. Do you see the music industry buying ads space on sites that trade their shit? This industry is its own worst enemy.

I also see AVN consolidating all of its magazines into one just as they have consolidated the websites.

You forget that most people on the web come from nonprofessional backgrounds.

Starbucks is also slowly going out of business....

I agree with both of you.

For years Ive been building of a fan club of unethical thugs that are parked in this business scheming a dollar. Ive been accused of being fat,broke and a home wrecker. Its funny that no one has ever chased me for a dollar or any worked owed.

Like Danny Ive been around working hard quite some time.

In spite of people hanging out with thugs at the Zoo Ive managed to get the message out though.

It never has been a matter of popularity, post count or being cool for me.

In the end I'll choose those "6" posters on here to do business with while some of you mail yourself $100 bills in an effort to scam people with a pitiful chain letter website.

Next time though... check for the details. When you mail yourself all $100 bills and announce todays date and show the overnight date stamp on the 'Bags of money floating up to your door" - make sure that the dates arent a month apart.

[Hell Puppy]

Cost of entry goes up, scamming goes down. Cost of entry drops, scams go thru the roof.

The more it costs to play the more idiots you eliminate.

However, there are a lot of people here now who have made enough money and contacts that nothing short of a full fledged enema will ever remove them.

Unfortunately, we've all decided to set up shop in a bad neighborhood. So all you can do is protect yourself and keep your eyes open. Adult is the ghetto of the internet. No one cares much of what happens here. They figure if you come here, you know you're taking your chances.

[softball]

Adult is the ghetto of the internet. No one cares much of what happens here.

Remember when we were the internet?

[Hell Puppy]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

Remember when we were the internet?

yeah, i still miss that along with weekly 5 figure checks from Xpics. i was young and dumb then myself, they were the ones that taught me how much money can be made from scamming surfers and how long term it taints your traffic.

but i did enjoy the checks.

alot.

but alas, they are long long gone, and i still get checks from recurring member bases created back then. treat 'em as customers and with respect, and they KEEP ON giving you money.

there's an ethics question hiding in there someplace....

if you could go back in time, knowing what you know now, would you go down the path of "free joins" with the back end credit card slams and all that traffic, put millions in the bank and bail when things got hot? or do you stay on the straight and narrow?

[tony404]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

Cost of entry goes up, scamming goes down. Cost of entry drops, scams go thru the roof.

The more it costs to play the more idiots you eliminate.

However, there are a lot of people here now who have made enough money and contacts that nothing short of a full fledged enema will ever remove them.

Unfortunately, we've all decided to set up shop in a bad neighborhood. So all you can do is protect yourself and keep your eyes open. Adult is the ghetto of the internet. No one cares much of what happens here. They figure if you come here, you know you're taking your chances.

Very wise words.