just so I am not hijacking a thread here

[helix]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

So does this mean you'd partner with bob on something?

Depends on the project, what it is, how it's structured, etc...
to many variables to give you a blanket yes or no. I would consider it.

[softball]

"There are now a lot of people who seek that in this business while simultaneously running their own gig.

That's good cash flow management if nothing else. "
I call bullshit. No one ever made it by playing safe. You can't have your bread buttered on both sides. You either play the game or you don't. Much as I really despise Serge Oprano, I do respect him for playing the game. Those who sit on the fence are shit in my book. But that is just MHO.

[helix]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

I call bullshit. No one ever made it by playing safe. You can't have your bread buttered on both sides. You either play the game or you don't. Much as I really despise Serge Oprano, I do respect him for playing the game. Those who sit on the fence are shit in my book. But that is just MHO.

So you now align yourself with Serges "old school" business practices?
hmmm.....interesting. I usually read all of your posts and I am surprised at your
declaration of admiration of his business model considering your past posts.
To each his own I guess.

I must say I feel I agree with HP's assessment of secure income as long as
your primary employer is OK with your extra curricular activities.
It's always good sense to secure an income stream.

[softball]

Originally Posted by helix

So you now align yourself with Serges "old school" business practices?
hmmm.....interesting. I usually read all of your posts and I am surprised at your
declaration of admiration of his business model considering your past posts.
To each his own I guess.

I must say I feel I agree with HP's assessment of secure income as long as
your primary employer is OK with your extra curricular activities.
It's always good sense to secure an income stream.

"So you now align yourself with Serges "old school" business practices?"
Nope. I think Serge Oprano is a loser. He never did shit except steal money. Any crack dealer can do that. As far as I am concerned, he is one lucky Russian not worthy of admiration because he would still be a sign painter today buying wine he can't afford. But Mike AI and Serge made it in life. However, I would be embarrassed as shit if I were them. They never had talent. They never had skill. They had good fortune and sometimes that is all it takes to make money. However, they never did one damn thing in this life that amounted to a hill of beans and for that I kind of feel sorry for their lack of achievement in the real world of success. money means nothing. Success means everything. Gonzo, this is a pearl for your archive.

[Hell Puppy]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

"There are now a lot of people who seek that in this business while simultaneously running their own gig.

That's good cash flow management if nothing else. "
I call bullshit. No one ever made it by playing safe. You can't have your bread buttered on both sides. You either play the game or you don't. Much as I really despise Serge Oprano, I do respect him for playing the game. Those who sit on the fence are shit in my book. But that is just MHO.

Depends on how yo define "making it".

True financial independence? Yeah, hard to make that when you're working for someone else. About the only time it happens is when you have some stock. Quite a few millionaires in the Redmond, WA and San Jose, CA area.

Most consider themselves successful just by having the money to pay the bills and support the lifestyle that they and their family wish to lead. How much money that takes varies greatly by individual. Myself, I dont see how anyone enjoys life very much if they dont make at least 6 figures annually. But I'm sure there are plenty happy making $40-50K. And adult does at least give you the edge of setting your own schedule, working at home, being there with the kids or whoever needs your attention. There's a bit more to quality of life than just dollars and cents.

Back to working for a company and not taking risks... There are exceptions to the rule though. I remember RichC working for MaxCash for a long time. He would be well within the top 1% of the earners in the industry who are NOT program owners. Hell, he might be in the top 1% even if you include program owners.

[spazlabz]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

Back to the issue at hand, influencing the industry. I know very few business owners who take any chances or do anything truly strategic with their company and their money that they themselves are not having the final say on. So although I have no doubt that there are many "affiliate reps" or whatever that are extremely important to the operation of their company, they are still tactical positions. And it's hard to call someone one of the 50 most influential if they are not the one with the final say so in what happens with their own company.

not the issue at hand. I am most certainly not influential in this industry at all. Strictly an FFN who at one time made what I consider to be fat cash. Thats why I started a new thread... I didnt want to step on a very good thread about influential people in the biz This was just me saying 'hey.. i do a lot for the company I work for heh heh

Originally Posted by rhetorical

Much as I really despise Serge Oprano, I do respect him for playing the game. Those who sit on the fence are shit in my book. But that is just MHO.

nice to know where one stands since I guess I am a fence sitter. Working hard full time for a company that I am a true believer in as well as working on projects of my own when I have the time. Do I want to be a millionaire.... umm yeah, doesn't everyone? But I am perfectly happy not 'making it' but having enough cash to pay my bills and put some in the pocket as well.

I am an average guy I guess


spaz

[Hell Puppy]

We all work in a business where often times traditional value systems are upside down...

Work hard, give the customer what he wants, dont rip them off, generally do all of the things that make traditional online businesses (Amazon anyone?) successful.... If you do that here, most of the top players currently will tell you you're a chump, a nobody and leaving money on the table.

[softball]

My apologies to Mike AI and a retraction for my last post. It was out of line because I know damn well Mike is good at what he does and deserves a lot of respect for his achievements. Shit happens when you type too quickly and I actually did not mean any of that. Sorry Mike.

[zand_stein]

funny thread. i thought hijacking is at plane only... lol