Webmaster outsourcing

[softball]

I lived in Manila. You learn quickly that business there is based totally on the quick buck. It gets very boring. So what Gonzo posted makes perfect sense. I kind of go by the rule of thumb school of business. There are certain nationalities I will not do business with. Just like Visa. Russians, Nigerians, Filipinos. I am sure you guys could add a few more to this list. But these guys are at the top of mine...in that order.

[spazlabz]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

There are certain nationalities I will not do business with. Just like Visa. Russians, Nigerians, Filipinos. I am sure you guys could add a few more to this list. But these guys are at the top of mine...in that order.

Enlighten me please
Russians - why
Nigerians - I think I know but... why
Filipinos - why

in defense of a lot of Filipinos that I have worked with some of them do outstanding work. My biggest problem with them has been a consistant lack of following instructions. After working with a group of them very closely for over a year I developed a style of communication that was remarkable. I found myself describing the work that needed to be done down to the absolute smallest detail
and I would repeat myself several times in the instructions on the more important things... over and over and over... they still 'forgot'

But not all of them are like that and some do extremely good work for a price that is very affordable.


spaz

[Matt Collins]

I don't know what companies you guys are talking about, but I have used iwebmasters for over a year now and I love my guys.

Of course, the iWebmaster guys would tell you that they are staff leasing and not outsourcing.

I have four employees doing everything from system administration to programming to web design.

Also, iWebmasters is owned by Rick Latona and Dee and they run a quality company.

While results may vary, I can only speak to my opinion and I have nothing but good things to say about these guys.

Matt

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Matt Collins

I don't know what companies you guys are talking about, but I have used iwebmasters for over a year now and I love my guys.

Matt

All
Outsourcing
Sux

Should give you a hint.

[fusionx]

Originally Posted by Matt Collins

I don't know what companies you guys are talking about, but I have used iwebmasters for over a year now and I love my guys.

Of course, the iWebmaster guys would tell you that they are staff leasing and not outsourcing.

I have four employees doing everything from system administration to programming to web design.

Also, iWebmasters is owned by Rick Latona and Dee and they run a quality company.

While results may vary, I can only speak to my opinion and I have nothing but good things to say about these guys.

Matt

Hi Matt - got time for a phone call tomorrow? Want to follow up on the RevShareHosting thing we talked about a while ago.

[Matt Collins]

Originally Posted by fusionx

Hi Matt - got time for a phone call tomorrow? Want to follow up on the RevShareHosting thing we talked about a while ago.

Sure I would love to chat, give me a call at 404-214-6070. If you don't get me, hit me up on ICQ or email me at matt @ revsharehosting.com and let me know when you are free.

Gonzo, I am not sure you are qualified to make such a broad statement as "all outsourcing sux". Maybe your experience with it sucks, but I am proof that you are wrong, since I am very happy with my outsourcing experience.

Matt

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Matt Collins

Sure I would love to chat, give me a call at 404-214-6070. If you don't get me, hit me up on ICQ or email me at matt @ revsharehosting.com and let me know when you are free.

Gonzo, I am not sure you are qualified to make such a broad statement as "all outsourcing sux". Maybe your experience with it sucks, but I am proof that you are wrong, since I am very happy with my outsourcing experience.

Matt

The first letters spell out who I was talking about ... AOS.
Im glad its worked out for you but there are several of us that it hasnt worked out for.

As the saying goes... your results may vary.

[spazlabz]

Originally Posted by gonzo

The first letters spell out who I was talking about ... AOS.
Im glad its worked out for you but there are several of us that it hasnt worked out for.

As the saying goes... your results may vary.

Individual results may vary
these claims have not been evaluated by the FDA
consult your physiscian before bending at the waist
combined with a diet and exercise routine
its all busllhit... pass the donuts and sit on the couch!

outsourcing = 60/40
60% are shit, 40% are ok


spaz

[fusionx]

Sorry to miss you today, Matt - things got hectic.. heh - that's an understatement.

I'll hit you up tomorrow.

We used outsourcing for a while - before we started the traffic dept.

It went ok with graphic designs, logos, MGP layouts, etc, but the programming was horrible. I trashed 12 sites that had been built before I moved into this position. Unusable.

I'm looking for some rapid dev of templates, basically. Fairly simple stuff - clean MGP/TGP layouts. We'll provide guidelines for the designs. As long as the templates fit within our parameters we're happy.

The only thing is - it has to be fast. It would help greatly if the project manager was here in the US. I don't care who does the work.

I'm thinking two designers full time would be more than enough.

Originally Posted by Matt Collins

Sure I would love to chat, give me a call at 404-214-6070. If you don't get me, hit me up on ICQ or email me at matt @ revsharehosting.com and let me know when you are free.

Gonzo, I am not sure you are qualified to make such a broad statement as "all outsourcing sux". Maybe your experience with it sucks, but I am proof that you are wrong, since I am very happy with my outsourcing experience.

Matt

[softball]

Originally Posted by spazlabz

Enlighten me please
Russians - why
Nigerians - I think I know but... why
Filipinos - why

in defense of a lot of Filipinos that I have worked with some of them do outstanding work. My biggest problem with them has been a consistant lack of following instructions. After working with a group of them very closely for over a year I developed a style of communication that was remarkable. I found myself describing the work that needed to be done down to the absolute smallest detail
and I would repeat myself several times in the instructions on the more important things... over and over and over... they still 'forgot'

But not all of them are like that and some do extremely good work for a price that is very affordable.


spaz

Russians are nearly all crooks. I am sure there are a few honest ones, but I did say rule of thumb. Up to you if you want to take the chance.
Flips?
Well, you actually answered your own question.

[spazlabz]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

Russians are nearly all crooks. I am sure there are a few honest ones, but I did say rule of thumb. Up to you if you want to take the chance.
Flips?
Well, you actually answered your own question.

not only did i answer my own question, I contradicted myself in the very same reply... that's the thing about Filipinos, some are pure gold, seriously, they love what they do and take pride in a job they have done well... I respect that. Others are lying, lazy sloths that honestly believe as soon as you hire them you OWE them a paycheck whether they work or not.
I had one guy turn around and give me one of the best tours we had on a program i used to work for in 2 days. Had another worthless pile of shit take 2 months to make a flash menu that we ended up trashing... and he said he could do flash in the first place. It's a crap shoot but i was interested in hearing your reply.

As for Russians, I am currently employed by some guys over in the Ukraine and if they are crooks they are ones that treat me with respect, listen to my opinions and value them... and they pay on time


spaz

[softball]

Originally Posted by spazlabz

not only did i answer my own question, I contradicted myself in the very same reply... that's the thing about Filipinos, some are pure gold, seriously, they love what they do and take pride in a job they have done well... I respect that. Others are lying, lazy sloths that honestly believe as soon as you hire them you OWE them a paycheck whether they work or not.
I had one guy turn around and give me one of the best tours we had on a program i used to work for in 2 days. Had another worthless pile of shit take 2 months to make a flash menu that we ended up trashing... and he said he could do flash in the first place. It's a crap shoot but i was interested in hearing your reply.

As for Russians, I am currently employed by some guys over in the Ukraine and if they are crooks they are ones that treat me with respect, listen to my opinions and value them... and they pay on time


spaz

I would assume they are Ukranians.