Old timers, since you are gone now , why do you keep coming back to ...

[cj]

Originally Posted by JoesHO

Yawn......
things could not be better

Correct, but they could be worse ... and something you can count on ... they will be ;-)

[LadyMischief]

You know, I've read this whole thread and I have nothing to add to it.. it's been really funny to see how many times the old "I've been in the business longer than you" bludgeon has been hurled around, as if it still works. You know what?

There are a lot of people who have been in this business for a long time, doesn't mean they know the state of the business now. A lot have lost touch, and are only now realizing it, and coming back to re-learn the new and ever-evolving market as a whole. I don't care WHAT market or business you are talking about, be it adult or mainstream... it will NOT wait around for anyone. Staying abreast of the market is a continual concern, and it also involves a good portion of adaptability. What worked yesterday may not work today, or it may work better, or it may not work unless you look at it a new way, or use a new technology. It really doesn't matter a whole fuck of a lot HOW long you've been around, if you aren't involved, in there nitty gritty or at least in the know, it doesn't mean sweet fuck all in the big scheme of things.

Business is business, most of us around here have a good idea of what we all do, what kind of business there is to be had, it's always there. I still fail to see what the hell the point of all the pissing and bickering is about business? How shall we declare a winner? See who can beat the dead horse into the biggest mess of hamburger the most efficiently? That type of stagnant thinking certainly doesn't make anyone any money, although it might mildly amuse the ones with too much to care about making more.

Our old-timers have always been and will always be an invaluable resource in the adult webmaster community. So, though, too, will and are the newcomers, the ones with ambition, drive and motivation to succeed like they see those who were around before their time. But think about this a moment... Microsoft still isn't just DOS, is it? I'm pretty damn sure Bill Gates didn't come up with all the rest of the software all on his own because of his immense and long-dating business knowledge. He used the resources (people) at his disposal and made himself richer. Resources people, everyone is one, and everyone has them.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by LadyMischief

You know, I've read this whole thread and I have nothing to add to it.. it's been really funny to see how many times the old "I've been in the business longer than you" bludgeon has been hurled around, as if it still works. You know what?

There are a lot of people who have been in this business for a long time, doesn't mean they know the state of the business now. A lot have lost touch, and are only now realizing it, and coming back to re-learn the new and ever-evolving market as a whole. I don't care WHAT market or business you are talking about, be it adult or mainstream... it will NOT wait around for anyone. Staying abreast of the market is a continual concern, and it also involves a good portion of adaptability. What worked yesterday may not work today, or it may work better, or it may not work unless you look at it a new way, or use a new technology. It really doesn't matter a whole fuck of a lot HOW long you've been around, if you aren't involved, in there nitty gritty or at least in the know, it doesn't mean sweet fuck all in the big scheme of things.

Business is business, most of us around here have a good idea of what we all do, what kind of business there is to be had, it's always there. I still fail to see what the hell the point of all the pissing and bickering is about business? How shall we declare a winner? See who can beat the dead horse into the biggest mess of hamburger the most efficiently? That type of stagnant thinking certainly doesn't make anyone any money, although it might mildly amuse the ones with too much to care about making more.

Our old-timers have always been and will always be an invaluable resource in the adult webmaster community. So, though, too, will and are the newcomers, the ones with ambition, drive and motivation to succeed like they see those who were around before their time. But think about this a moment... Microsoft still isn't just DOS, is it? I'm pretty damn sure Bill Gates didn't come up with all the rest of the software all on his own because of his immense and long-dating business knowledge. He used the resources (people) at his disposal and made himself richer. Resources people, everyone is one, and everyone has them.

Im still confused as to why there is an arguement in the first place.

BTW...since you bring it up. Bill Gates didnt write DOS. He bought it and relicensed it to IBM.

Gates was in the right place at the right time. Instead of sitting back and boasting about it and how much money he made off the one deal... he continued to make his own luck by continuing to be at the right place at the right time.

[LadyMischief]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Im still confused as to why there is an arguement in the first place.

BTW...since you bring it up. Bill Gates didnt write DOS. He bought it and relicensed it to IBM.

Gates was in the right place at the right time. Instead of sitting back and boasting about it and how much money he made off the one deal... he continued to make his own luck by continuing to be at the right place at the right time.

Ya I am confused about it too... Kind of silly, really.

And I know Bill Gates didn't write DOS, but my point was more that everyone starts somewhere, and the smarts ones use the human or whatever resources at their disposal to get further ahead. Sometimes the "luck" of being in the right place at the right time involves working to put yourself there. Opportunities don't turn into much if you don't reach for them and strive to do the best you can with them.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by LadyMischief

Ya I am confused about it too... Kind of silly, really.

And I know Bill Gates didn't write DOS, but my point was more that everyone starts somewhere, and the smarts ones use the human or whatever resources at their disposal to get further ahead. Sometimes the "luck" of being in the right place at the right time involves working to put yourself there. Opportunities don't turn into much if you don't reach for them and strive to do the best you can with them.

Thats for damn sure. Gates and the guys that originally started Microsoft werent aftraid of work. I think in the beginnning they all pretty much lived at the office and made next to nothing.

I recommend reading one of the several biographies out there on him. There is some knowledge to be gleaned there about hard work as well as managing people as well as YOURSELF and your money.

Bill Gates once said 64K of memory is enough for anything you wanted to do in life. He was wrong.

It reminds me of how some people constantly say there are no new frontiers to innovate in this industry. Yet you see new niches and business models continue to pop up.

[LadyMischief]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Thats for damn sure. Gates and the guys that originally started Microsoft werent aftraid of work. I think in the beginnning they all pretty much lived at the office and made next to nothing.

I recommend reading one of the several biographies out there on him. There is some knowledge to be gleaned there about hard work as well as managing people as well as YOURSELF and your money.

Bill Gates once said 64K of memory is enough for anything you wanted to do in life. He was wrong.

It reminds me of how some people constantly say there are no new frontiers to innovate in this industry. Yet you see new niches and business models continue to pop up.

All markets stagnate at times... all markets get oversaturated, eventally, as with any product/marketplace where people realize there's the capability of making money. It doesn't mean the market is no longer useful, it simply means you have to be more effective in placing your product/brand more in the view of the consumer than the competition does, and to make it more appealing. Like with any other product, we are still, have always been, and will still be selling essentially the same product. Just wrapped in different packages. And like with ALL markets there are always new, better, more innovative ways to market a brand/product, and there are people who have to come up with them. There are a ton of incredibly innovative people in this business, and they are the ones you don't see making noise, but making money...

If you choose to surrender, of course it will beat you. You can't win the fight if you throw up your hands like it's a lost cause before you even get your edge. Personally, I believe adult has been stagnant for a while, but the light on the horizon are new technologies that have the potential to take the market to an entirely new level. I truly believe we are going to see a very rapid growth process that's going to balloon into a new internet porn "gold rush" again for those who are smart enough, innovative enough, and motivated enough to put themselves in the right place at the right time. The market is far from dead... evolving on a stellar level. To those who choose not to look below the surface, or look at new possibilities, or think they've already achieved everything that's possible, they will be left in the dust wondering what happened.

Not that I'm overly worried about those people, mind you. They're already rich, they don't have to be hungry for the success anymore, they can simply enjoy the fruits of their own labors and take the spare time to piss on some boards

[carina]

Originally Posted by LadyMischief

All markets stagnate at times... all markets get oversaturated, eventally, as with any product/marketplace where people realize there's the capability of making money. It doesn't mean the market is no longer useful, it simply means you have to be more effective in placing your product/brand more in the view of the consumer than the competition does, and to make it more appealing. Like with any other product, we are still, have always been, and will still be selling essentially the same product. Just wrapped in different packages. And like with ALL markets there are always new, better, more innovative ways to market a brand/product, and there are people who have to come up with them. There are a ton of incredibly innovative people in this business, and they are the ones you don't see making noise, but making money...

If you choose to surrender, of course it will beat you. You can't win the fight if you throw up your hands like it's a lost cause before you even get your edge. Personally, I believe adult has been stagnant for a while, but the light on the horizon are new technologies that have the potential to take the market to an entirely new level. I truly believe we are going to see a very rapid growth process that's going to balloon into a new internet porn "gold rush" again for those who are smart enough, innovative enough, and motivated enough to put themselves in the right place at the right time. The market is far from dead... evolving on a stellar level. To those who choose not to look below the surface, or look at new possibilities, or think they've already achieved everything that's possible, they will be left in the dust wondering what happened.

Not that I'm overly worried about those people, mind you. They're already rich, they don't have to be hungry for the success anymore, they can simply enjoy the fruits of their own labors and take the spare time to piss on some boards

word of wisdom from a veteran in the biz

[cj]

Originally Posted by LadyMischief

You know, I've read this whole thread and I have nothing to add to it.. it's been really funny to see how many times the old "I've been in the business longer than you" bludgeon has been hurled around, as if it still works. You know what?

There are a lot of people who have been in this business for a long time, doesn't mean they know the state of the business now. A lot have lost touch, and are only now realizing it, and coming back to re-learn the new and ever-evolving market as a whole. I don't care WHAT market or business you are talking about, be it adult or mainstream... it will NOT wait around for anyone. Staying abreast of the market is a continual concern, and it also involves a good portion of adaptability. What worked yesterday may not work today, or it may work better, or it may not work unless you look at it a new way, or use a new technology. It really doesn't matter a whole fuck of a lot HOW long you've been around, if you aren't involved, in there nitty gritty or at least in the know, it doesn't mean sweet fuck all in the big scheme of things.

Business is business, most of us around here have a good idea of what we all do, what kind of business there is to be had, it's always there. I still fail to see what the hell the point of all the pissing and bickering is about business? How shall we declare a winner? See who can beat the dead horse into the biggest mess of hamburger the most efficiently? That type of stagnant thinking certainly doesn't make anyone any money, although it might mildly amuse the ones with too much to care about making more.

Our old-timers have always been and will always be an invaluable resource in the adult webmaster community. So, though, too, will and are the newcomers, the ones with ambition, drive and motivation to succeed like they see those who were around before their time. But think about this a moment... Microsoft still isn't just DOS, is it? I'm pretty damn sure Bill Gates didn't come up with all the rest of the software all on his own because of his immense and long-dating business knowledge. He used the resources (people) at his disposal and made himself richer. Resources people, everyone is one, and everyone has them.

great post

[Peaches]

Originally Posted by cj

Correct, but they could be worse ... and something you can count on ... they will be ;-)

I miss you.

[cj]

Originally Posted by Peaches

I miss you.

Not long till you come to visit! Summer our time wasn't it?! ;-)

I'm coming back ... slowly!!

[Peaches]

Originally Posted by cj

Not long till you come to visit! Summer our time wasn't it?! ;-)

I'm coming back ... slowly!!

I'm saving up my FF points - I think I need about 5 more trips then I'm on my waaaaaay!

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Peaches

I'm saving up my FF points - I think I need about 5 more trips then I'm on my waaaaaay!

Looks like you lost your Oprano points.

[Hell Puppy]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Looks like you lost your Oprano points.

damned fWo, nothing sacred.

[carina]

maybe we can learn some cool tricks from the old timer in the biz.

[Peaches]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Looks like you lost your Oprano points.

DAMMIT! Who's running this place???!! I need to send a memo.

(and make the damn smilies clickable so my posts will be cute!!)

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Peaches

DAMMIT! Who's running this place???!! I need to send a memo.

(and make the damn smilies clickable so my posts will be cute!!)

Logo says FWO