Old timers, since you are gone now , why do you keep coming back to ...

[JR]

Originally Posted by Jace

isn't it possible to be somewhere for one reason and learn in the process?

sorry if I don't get all my thoughts out at the same time for you to dissect, if you would like me to write a big long dramtic post about how I feel about the boards I will, but I really don't feel like it

personally, i dont care why anyone is here. everyone has their own reasons and thats fine with me. but it USED to be a community of people who knew each other well, did business together and were friends in the real world. it was also entertainment as you said. but you were one of the ones bitching and complaining that you wanted something different... now you are saying you want it to be what it used to be.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by JR

personally, i dont care why anyone is here. everyone has their own reasons and thats fine with me. but it USED to be a community of people who knew each other well, did business together and were friends in the real world. it was also entertainment as you said. but you were one of the ones bitching and complaining that you wanted something different... now you are saying you want it to be what it used to be.

see, that is where I am confused...you DO care about everyone here, otherwise you wouldn't take so much time every day on here to tell everyone your thoughts

whether you care is hate or love, you do care, and THAT is obvious

[Vick]

Originally Posted by Jace

dude, do you really think thay I sit all day on oprano waiting for posts?

I post actively on 7 boards, oprano is just in a list of boards that I hit from my bookmarks when I get bored

I never take much seriously on the boards anymore, they are all but useless these days...I enjoy the chatting and banter that the boards bring me on a daily basis, that is IT....I am not here to learn or teach, I am not here to sell myself or be bought...I am here for the entertainment when I am not busy working

some of you all think you have everyone figured out, when you really have no clue

I love Gonzo, he is a dear friend and I will do everything to support him, but Oprano is just like the 7 other boards I have bookmarked, a place to stop, type and move on

Ok I've stayed away and out of all this for the most part but I have to ask

Aren't you here to promote your business and get new affiliates?

Isn't that what messageboards are for program owners?

[Jace]

Originally Posted by Vick

Ok I've stayed away and out of all this for the most part but I have to ask

Aren't you here to promote your business and get new affiliates?

Isn't that what messageboards are for program owners?

oh yeah, totally, but the amount of new affiliates I have gained from the boards in the past 3-4 months that I have actually sent me quality traffic is disturbing....yeah, people sign up left and right and from every board, but my active webmasters are the ones that have been around for longer than that

2 years ago I used to get tons of affiliate sign ups on the boards, and you could see traffic flow in instantly and sales followed that...but lately, as of the past 4-6 months, the quality of posters and active affiliates across all boards has dramtically decreased....so, i gave up on seeking out affiliates on boards, I go to the source these days.

[Vick]

Originally Posted by Jace

oh yeah, totally, but the amount of new affiliates I have gained from the boards in the past 3-4 months that I have actually sent me quality traffic is disturbing....yeah, people sign up left and right and from every board, but my active webmasters are the ones that have been around for longer than that

2 years ago I used to get tons of affiliate sign ups on the boards, and you could see traffic flow in instantly and sales followed that...but lately, as of the past 4-6 months, the quality of posters and active affiliates across all boards has dramtically decreased....so, i gave up on seeking out affiliates on boards, I go to the source these days.

Jace, you say one thing then take another position, not a huge flip but you see what I mean

This is where the experience of the posters who used to be here comes in handy.

I'm still not over Jace basically flipping off Robin in another thread when Robin has a serious head full of knowledge.

No one's asking anyone to kiss anyone's ring but a little respect goes a long way ... and respect has to be earned. Just like a the privilege to post on Oprano had to be earned


Oprano was sort of a water cooler where we could come and discuss whatever and by building those relationships we did business. We knew who were we working with and what we could do

[Jace]

Originally Posted by Vick

Jace, you say one thing then take another position, not a huge flip but you see what I mean

This is where the experience of the posters who used to be here comes in handy.

I'm still not over Jace basically flipping off Robin in another thread when Robin has a serious head full of knowledge.

No one's asking anyone to kiss anyone's ring but a little respect goes a long way ... and respect has to be earned. Just like a the privilege to post on Oprano had to be earned


Oprano was sort of a water cooler where we could come and discuss whatever and by building those relationships we did business. We knew who were we working with and what we could do

when have I said anything different...I may say things in a wierd way sometimes when my fingers can't keep up with my head...but this has been the way I have thought for months now

I am sorry, I don't know Robin and the first time he spoke to me was to put me down, and you want ME to respect HIM? LOL...yeah, right

[Jace]

oh, and btw, I was also one that asked gonzo to unban nick and anthony, or did you not see that part? gonzo does what he wants, this is his board 100%, and while I can influence his decisions, I can't change anything that is in his mind

[JR]

Originally Posted by Jace

oh, and btw, I was also one that asked gonzo to unban nick and anthony, or did you not see that part? gonzo does what he wants, this is his board 100%, and while I can influence his decisions, I can't change anything that is in his mind

you were also the one starting a thread about how much shit you stirred up. but... as you said, its all just entertainment to you. like most others, you are hoping to see the trainwreck... and even create one if possible. hopefully joe and rhetorical and rcourt64 won't ostracize you from the official Band of Retards for your insubordination and deviation from the official party line. with talk like yours, you might just become another enemy of the oprano state.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by JR

you were also the one starting a thread about how much shit you stirred up. but... as you said, its all just entertainment to you. like most others, you are hoping to see the trainwreck... and even create one if possible. hopefully joe and rhetorical and rcourt64 won't ostracize you from the official Band of Retards for your insubordination and deviation from the official party line. with talk like yours, you might just become another enemy of the oprano state.

as long as it gets page views, right?

[JR]

Originally Posted by Jace

as long as it gets page views, right?

Jace, i have zero problem with you. basically you seem like just another guy, like many running sites in this biz. my problem is the whole "old timers" ... "we want something new here and you're not welcome" thing.

you were just as much a part of that as joe or anyone else. but the simple fact is, you guys dont really talk about business, can't wait to piss with people and are basically no different than those you were so proud to have run off. threads like this and the replies prove that simple fact.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by JR

Jace, i have zero problem with you. basically you seem like just another guy, like many running sites in this biz. my problem is the whole "old timers" ... "we want something new here and you're not welcome" thing.

you were just as much a part of that as joe or anyone else. but the simple fact is, you guys dont really talk about business, can't wait to piss with people and are basically no different than those you were so proud to have run off. threads like this and the replies prove that simple fact.

I have stated over and over again that I have no problem with anyone on this board, I want Nick and Anthony unbanned, and I want every to have fun and post....I have said this over and over again

I don't want people to use the words "old timers"....and I have never thought that there shoudl be something new here

just like serge and his army used the term "surfmasters" like it was the last word left on earth, the other side kept using "old timers"....and while I got caught up in it, when people got banned is when I realized that I was caught up something fucking stupid and stopped

[JoesHO]

I thought exodus, and protest, meant you leave ????

go join your buddys make millions and be happy .

[Vick]

and I don't know where all this scammer stuff comes from (well I think I do but that's for another time)

Some posting here weren't around while MikeAI and I pissed hard on spammers and almost everyone pissed on dialers

and the fall from that high horse I was riding was a little painful


The one thing I never totally understood was some early internet porn sites were owned by companies who came from the phone sex industry, why did the billing model change from per minute to a term subscription fee?

[JR]

anyway... my username and password can be deleted for all i care. 3-4 spineless people creating their own "feel good" circle jerk of self compliments and back patting is not worth anyones time to read or participate in.

[JoesHO]

Originally Posted by JR

anyway... my username and password can be deleted for all i care. 3-4 spineless people creating their own "feel good" circle jerk of self compliments and back patting is not worth anyones time to read or participate in.

see ya, have fun in mainstream, dont let that door hit you in the ass.

[Rolo]

Originally Posted by JoesHO

see ya, have fun in mainstream, dont let that door hit you in the ass.

Well - I might just have changed my opinion a tad bit about Jace due to his latest posts

However Joesho just keep on digging, until he will not be able to crawl up from the hole he stands in

[Vick]

those who now populate Oprano might take a minute to review this thread

and maybe think about what's been chased away

and would Oprano be a better messageboard with the thoughtful input that was in this thread for a few minutes

See ya' in the funny papers

Now I'll disappear in a puff of logic


POOF

[PornoDoggy]

It is nice to see some people have maybe learned something.

At least one person in this thread used to thrive on the shit. In fact, he'd wet his finger to see which way the wind was blowing and try to stir up as much as he could - never with a shred of creativity or originality, to be sure, but certainly going with what he perceived to be the flow.

The other nice thing is to see the resident schizoid personality develop some peer relationships. Obviously, the latest phamacocktial the shrinks have got him on are working, and hopefully will last longer than previous combinations.

See ... even I can be positive.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by PornoDoggy

At least one person in this thread used to thrive on the shit. In fact, he'd wet his finger to see which way the wind was blowing and try to stir up as much as he could - never with a shred of creativity or originality, to be sure, but certainly going with what he perceived to be the flow.

I still find it great fun. Just no longer profitable.

"Evolve or Die"

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by gonzo

I still find it great fun. Just no longer profitable.

Then perhaps you did not stay at the feet of the master long enough

Find the formula, repeat repeat repeat

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Then perhaps you did not stay at the feet of the master long enough

Find the formula, repeat repeat repeat

I found a different formula. Execute execute execute.

[JoesHO]

Yawn......

same shit, same people, and yet business moves forward.

participate if you want to, but why keep trying to fuck with the board, or with gonzo?

give the guy a chance I mean he paid out the money , cold hard cash, it is his , no payments, no bullshit

why try to destroy it before he gets started?

what you think of me really doesnt matter, I mean I been around for three yrs now and have not needed any business from you, or will I .
and have continued to grow.

I have a nice home, a nice business, and a great future .

things could not be better , so I really dont give a fuck about you or what you do.

act el;ite if you want to ( we all know you are not )

But at least try to be a grown up and quit fucking with this place .
and the new people that come here. Because you have nothing to offer them either.

[cj]

Originally Posted by JoesHO

Yawn......
things could not be better

Correct, but they could be worse ... and something you can count on ... they will be ;-)

[LadyMischief]

You know, I've read this whole thread and I have nothing to add to it.. it's been really funny to see how many times the old "I've been in the business longer than you" bludgeon has been hurled around, as if it still works. You know what?

There are a lot of people who have been in this business for a long time, doesn't mean they know the state of the business now. A lot have lost touch, and are only now realizing it, and coming back to re-learn the new and ever-evolving market as a whole. I don't care WHAT market or business you are talking about, be it adult or mainstream... it will NOT wait around for anyone. Staying abreast of the market is a continual concern, and it also involves a good portion of adaptability. What worked yesterday may not work today, or it may work better, or it may not work unless you look at it a new way, or use a new technology. It really doesn't matter a whole fuck of a lot HOW long you've been around, if you aren't involved, in there nitty gritty or at least in the know, it doesn't mean sweet fuck all in the big scheme of things.

Business is business, most of us around here have a good idea of what we all do, what kind of business there is to be had, it's always there. I still fail to see what the hell the point of all the pissing and bickering is about business? How shall we declare a winner? See who can beat the dead horse into the biggest mess of hamburger the most efficiently? That type of stagnant thinking certainly doesn't make anyone any money, although it might mildly amuse the ones with too much to care about making more.

Our old-timers have always been and will always be an invaluable resource in the adult webmaster community. So, though, too, will and are the newcomers, the ones with ambition, drive and motivation to succeed like they see those who were around before their time. But think about this a moment... Microsoft still isn't just DOS, is it? I'm pretty damn sure Bill Gates didn't come up with all the rest of the software all on his own because of his immense and long-dating business knowledge. He used the resources (people) at his disposal and made himself richer. Resources people, everyone is one, and everyone has them.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by LadyMischief

You know, I've read this whole thread and I have nothing to add to it.. it's been really funny to see how many times the old "I've been in the business longer than you" bludgeon has been hurled around, as if it still works. You know what?

There are a lot of people who have been in this business for a long time, doesn't mean they know the state of the business now. A lot have lost touch, and are only now realizing it, and coming back to re-learn the new and ever-evolving market as a whole. I don't care WHAT market or business you are talking about, be it adult or mainstream... it will NOT wait around for anyone. Staying abreast of the market is a continual concern, and it also involves a good portion of adaptability. What worked yesterday may not work today, or it may work better, or it may not work unless you look at it a new way, or use a new technology. It really doesn't matter a whole fuck of a lot HOW long you've been around, if you aren't involved, in there nitty gritty or at least in the know, it doesn't mean sweet fuck all in the big scheme of things.

Business is business, most of us around here have a good idea of what we all do, what kind of business there is to be had, it's always there. I still fail to see what the hell the point of all the pissing and bickering is about business? How shall we declare a winner? See who can beat the dead horse into the biggest mess of hamburger the most efficiently? That type of stagnant thinking certainly doesn't make anyone any money, although it might mildly amuse the ones with too much to care about making more.

Our old-timers have always been and will always be an invaluable resource in the adult webmaster community. So, though, too, will and are the newcomers, the ones with ambition, drive and motivation to succeed like they see those who were around before their time. But think about this a moment... Microsoft still isn't just DOS, is it? I'm pretty damn sure Bill Gates didn't come up with all the rest of the software all on his own because of his immense and long-dating business knowledge. He used the resources (people) at his disposal and made himself richer. Resources people, everyone is one, and everyone has them.

Im still confused as to why there is an arguement in the first place.

BTW...since you bring it up. Bill Gates didnt write DOS. He bought it and relicensed it to IBM.

Gates was in the right place at the right time. Instead of sitting back and boasting about it and how much money he made off the one deal... he continued to make his own luck by continuing to be at the right place at the right time.

[LadyMischief]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Im still confused as to why there is an arguement in the first place.

BTW...since you bring it up. Bill Gates didnt write DOS. He bought it and relicensed it to IBM.

Gates was in the right place at the right time. Instead of sitting back and boasting about it and how much money he made off the one deal... he continued to make his own luck by continuing to be at the right place at the right time.

Ya I am confused about it too... Kind of silly, really.

And I know Bill Gates didn't write DOS, but my point was more that everyone starts somewhere, and the smarts ones use the human or whatever resources at their disposal to get further ahead. Sometimes the "luck" of being in the right place at the right time involves working to put yourself there. Opportunities don't turn into much if you don't reach for them and strive to do the best you can with them.

[cj]

Originally Posted by LadyMischief

You know, I've read this whole thread and I have nothing to add to it.. it's been really funny to see how many times the old "I've been in the business longer than you" bludgeon has been hurled around, as if it still works. You know what?

There are a lot of people who have been in this business for a long time, doesn't mean they know the state of the business now. A lot have lost touch, and are only now realizing it, and coming back to re-learn the new and ever-evolving market as a whole. I don't care WHAT market or business you are talking about, be it adult or mainstream... it will NOT wait around for anyone. Staying abreast of the market is a continual concern, and it also involves a good portion of adaptability. What worked yesterday may not work today, or it may work better, or it may not work unless you look at it a new way, or use a new technology. It really doesn't matter a whole fuck of a lot HOW long you've been around, if you aren't involved, in there nitty gritty or at least in the know, it doesn't mean sweet fuck all in the big scheme of things.

Business is business, most of us around here have a good idea of what we all do, what kind of business there is to be had, it's always there. I still fail to see what the hell the point of all the pissing and bickering is about business? How shall we declare a winner? See who can beat the dead horse into the biggest mess of hamburger the most efficiently? That type of stagnant thinking certainly doesn't make anyone any money, although it might mildly amuse the ones with too much to care about making more.

Our old-timers have always been and will always be an invaluable resource in the adult webmaster community. So, though, too, will and are the newcomers, the ones with ambition, drive and motivation to succeed like they see those who were around before their time. But think about this a moment... Microsoft still isn't just DOS, is it? I'm pretty damn sure Bill Gates didn't come up with all the rest of the software all on his own because of his immense and long-dating business knowledge. He used the resources (people) at his disposal and made himself richer. Resources people, everyone is one, and everyone has them.

great post

[Peaches]

Originally Posted by cj

Correct, but they could be worse ... and something you can count on ... they will be ;-)

I miss you.

[cj]

Originally Posted by Peaches

I miss you.

Not long till you come to visit! Summer our time wasn't it?! ;-)

I'm coming back ... slowly!!

[Peaches]

Originally Posted by cj

Not long till you come to visit! Summer our time wasn't it?! ;-)

I'm coming back ... slowly!!

I'm saving up my FF points - I think I need about 5 more trips then I'm on my waaaaaay!

[JR]

you bait people with this thread... you start instigating with your posts... then you cry foul? if you are truly gonzos friend or genuinely believe anything you have ever said about what you want oprano to be... then you can help change the tone of the board anytime you wish by simply practicing a little impulse control and exercising a little maturity yourself.

[JoesHO]

Originally Posted by JR

you bait people with this thread... you start instigating with your posts... then you cry foul? if you are truly gonzos friend or genuinely believe anything you have ever said about what you want oprano to be... then you can help change the tone of the board anytime you wish by simply practicing a little impulse control and exercising a little maturity yourself.

Not when the moron brigade keeps coming around making complaints and trying to make it like it was.....

remember one thing in life

YOU CAN NEVER GO BACK ...... it will never be the same .

best thing now and always is to move forward.

Oprano can be and should be a very useful board , I trhink Gonzo will put it on the right path no matter how many times you idiots cry to him on icq.

if you truely are not here to cause problems and want a good place to be then act like it .

you have stated over and over again,

1.) you are not in the adult business, and have not been for some time

2.) You only came here to chat with old friends..... they are all gone now
so why do you come now? to fight with me ? is that what will cure your boredom now? to mouth of to rhetorical? to call newbies stupid?
what is the pint of you coming by now really? you have already stated that you do not like most of the people here now, and that all your old friends have left for greener pastuers ...why not join them ?

[Trev]

Originally Posted by JoesHO

1.) you are not in the adult business, and have not been for some time

2.) You only came here to chat with old friends..... they are all gone now
so why do you come now? to fight with me ? is that what will cure your boredom now? to mouth of to rhetorical? to call newbies stupid?
what is the pint of you coming by now really? you have already stated that you do not like most of the people here now, and that all your old friends have left for greener pastuers ...why not join them ?

I am very much in the adult business and fighting with you is like hitting a retard with a stick.

I like oprano and have since it's beginning, I'll continue to post here until Gonzo decides it's game over for me. As you say it's his now and I wish him all the best with this place.

[Rolo]

Originally Posted by JoesHO

YOU CAN NEVER GO BACK ...... it will never be the same

History repeats itself - if you believe otherwise, then you will not come out on top on the other end

[venturi]

Originally Posted by Rolo

History repeats itself - if you believe otherwise, then you will not come out on top on the other end

I believe the phrase your subconscious was screaming to get out while you typed that is: "Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it." - coined by the philosopher George Santayana.

[Rolo]

Originally Posted by JoesHO

1.) you are not in the adult business, and have not been for some time

2.) You only came here to chat with old friends..... they are all gone now
so why do you come now? to fight with me ? is that what will cure your boredom now? to mouth of to rhetorical? to call newbies stupid?
what is the pint of you coming by now really? you have already stated that you do not like most of the people here now, and that all your old friends have left for greener pastuers ...why not join them ?

Its unbelievable that your analytic skills have not gotten you in any fatal situation yet - you are a breathing miracle!

[Rolo]

Originally Posted by JoesHO

Oprano can be and should be a very useful board , I trhink Gonzo will put it on the right path no matter how many times you idiots cry to him on icq.

if you truely are not here to cause problems and want a good place to be then act like it .

Says the idiot who are making threads with subjects like "Old timers, since you are gone now , why do you keep coming back to...".
I see how you are such a good standup guy, that does not want to cause problems on Oprano or for Gonzo. You have no anger in your body, you are just peace love and harmony. Fuck, when I see JoesHo and Rhetorical, then I think Gandhi and Mother Theresa were some evil bitches compared to these two

Please tell us about how you are going to saturate this board with good insightful, and analytic posts. How you are going to help the newbie to make money with your competitors sites. How you will personally hold their hand thru the process of building their paysites. And lastly will give them your content and traffic source details. You are such a standup guy - Joesho the surfmaster savior

[softball]

Originally Posted by JR

you bait people with this thread... you start instigating with your posts... then you cry foul? if you are truly gonzos friend or genuinely believe anything you have ever said about what you want oprano to be... then you can help change the tone of the board anytime you wish by simply practicing a little impulse control and exercising a little maturity yourself.

Maturity JR? Now that is pretty funny coming from you who thinks making up lies to bait the IRS is fun.

[softball]

"the bottom line is that you guys are basically newbs talking above your own heads," from JR..


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Sure son. HAHAHAHAHA

OK, JR, how long you been around and wtf is it you do anyway apart from fucking with people? I have no idea so why don't you tell us about your .....how many years in business? Then we can judge all your newbie bullshit for what it is.

[softball]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

"the bottom line is that you guys are basically newbs talking above your own heads," from JR..


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Sure son. HAHAHAHAHA

OK, JR, how long you been around and wtf is it you do anyway apart from fucking with people? I have no idea so why don't you tell us about your .....how many years in business? Then we can judge all your newbie bullshit for what it is.

Oh yeah, and if you have been doing it for a lot longer than me, I will tip my hat to you. But I doubt it.

[Mike AI]

This is a classic thread. Very humerous.

It seems to be very arbitrary who gets banned on Oprano, and who does not. It seems to me both some old timers, and other newbs are doing the same thing, yet only some people get banned.

I am against banning, unless it is to protect the board from script/server issues - things that are destructive the the infrastructure, otherwise I think people should be allowed to blowviate. Even if they do look like idiots....