Jace?

[Rcourt64]

Originally Posted by Jace

is it jealousy that fires your posting or hatred or what? you keep bringing up me selling pics of my wife, but fact remains I am naked on those pics too, so in turn is she selling me? cause I am lost...when it is something we enjoy doing TOGETHER, how am I the only one that seems to be taking flack for it? why don't people talk to her about how she is pimping me out? you act as thought I am some pedophile that is pimping out his 14 year old wife for cash without her knowing any better...and to suggest that I am forcing her to do anything against her will is just ignorant due to her intelligence level being off the charts

and btw, I have no desire to teach anyone...I do fine by myself and make a nice living doing what I do...though, if someone wants to ask I will be more than happy to answer without belittling them and being snobby about it.

[Hammer]

At the risk of breaking the negative flow of the thread.... Jace, if you're serious in what you replied to me and want help and weren't just being sarcastic, then I'd say that the fact that you are censoring the breasts, which really makes no sense since they aren't obscene and showing breasts is in no way giving away free porn, is going to hurt your sales. I'd suggest removing the censoring. I'd also recommend making the tour much harder core. To me, it's too soft.

You do have some small sample hardcore pics in the scrolling section on the first page so I know your wife does more than just pose for cheesecake shots, but the average surfer that looks at the site won't know that.

As I mentioned before, I do think there are better ways to spend 12 hours a day than xpeeps and Myspace.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by Hammer

As I tried to subtlely point out in my earlier post, I also think there are better ways to spend your 12 hours a day than xpeeps and Myspace.

I was being sarcastic about the myspace thing dude, while we are on there, everything we do is automated, I have a bot set up on another machine that does all the myspace shit automatically

[softball]

Originally Posted by JR

the only funny thing about some of these guys is that they keep saying and believing that they represent the future.


.... waiting for rhetorical, the respected leader of oprano n00bs to show up now and brag about his fake travels, fake porsche and fake apartments all over canada and the US .

"been there. done it. been around the world many times. seen and done more amazing things than most will in 50 lifetimes. all because of my hard work and what it allowed me to do and the money it made me."

I spit up my beer when I read this. Just after putting the cover on my fake 930.
Dude, your fifty lifetimes.....give me a break. Been around the world many times? With that kind of sophistication, I am shocked that you are so threatened by a new generation of entrepreneurs. Kid, I have no idea whatsoever about your world travels. I have no idea how much money you make or have made. I have no idea what kind of car you drive of who fucks your wife. And I actually don't care. I see an angry guy who feels threatened. If you actually did make large and you actually managed to keep it...unlike many....then good luck to you. But wtf are you here insulting the shit out of others in this business? You have probably made money pimping lots of women. So why this concern about how others run their business?
So, come back. Insult everyone's family again. Be the sophisticated raconteur that you know is just screaming to get out.
Or, drink off your when we stories. If we ever meet, which I am sure will be never, you bring your passports, I will bring mine. And we can trade round the world war zone, famine, and political stories from all the places we have been...real or imagined.

[Hammer]

Originally Posted by Jace

I was being sarcastic about the myspace thing dude, while we are on there, everything we do is automated, I have a bot set up on another machine that does all the myspace shit automatically

Okay, I won't bother wasting any more time then with you. My apologies for interupting your fun.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by Hammer

At the risk of breaking the negative flow of the thread.... Jace, if you're serious in what you replied to me and want help and weren't just being sarcastic, then I'd say that the fact that you are censoring the breasts, which really makes no sense since they aren't obscene and showing breasts is in no way giving away free porn, is going to hurt your sales. I'd suggest removing the censoring. I'd also recommend making the tour much harder core. To me, it's too soft.

You do have some small sample hardcore pics in the scrolling section on the first page so I know your wife does more than just pose for cheesecake shots, but the average surfer that looks at the site won't know that.

actually, since we threw that new tour up our conversions have gotten twice as good...while before when I showed hardcore on the tour we were getting a steady 1:800-1000, we now are at a consistant 1:300-500 across the board...I have affiliates that I have had for years emailing me thanking me for putting up that new tour becuase they can't believe how much better it is doing.

I have a second tour going up in the next week that will have a little more action on it, but it will still be censored to an extent, but because of the amateur nature of the tour it will be much more revealing.

After that, next month, I will be having a full on hardcore tour made for a 3rd tour...but even that will be censored to an extent.

so, while I used to agree that the surfer needed to see more before he would join, I am doubting it now...I actually think that surfers are much smarter these days and can understand why tours have censored parts, and I can't imagine that a few little stars is going to convince the surfer that she doesn't actually have boobs, and therefor they won't join

[Jace]

Originally Posted by Hammer

Okay, I won't bother wasting any more time then with you. My apologies for interupting your fun.

hey man, I am all for advice and helpful criticism, it is when you all belittle and poke fun that makes me not take you all seriously....and I hate to group you guys into one group because I know you all are each individuals, but you all seem to have this tag team thing going on for anyone that doesn't agree with you or share your views. and while I respect that most of you have seen things in this biz that I could only imagine, I also see this contempt that you all have for anyone that is outside your knitting circle

I just want helpful/useful business discussions, and you all don't seem to want that, you all seem to have more interest in another agenda

[Rcourt64]

Originally Posted by Jace

actually, since we threw that new tour up our conversions have gotten twice as good...while before when I showed hardcore on the tour we were getting a steady 1:800-1000, we now are at a consistant 1:300-500 across the board...I have affiliates that I have had for years emailing me thanking me for putting up that new tour becuase they can't believe how much better it is doing.

I have a second tour going up in the next week that will have a little more action on it, but it will still be censored to an extent, but because of the amateur nature of the tour it will be much more revealing.

After that, next month, I will be having a full on hardcore tour made for a 3rd tour...but even that will be censored to an extent.

so, while I used to agree that the surfer needed to see more before he would join, I am doubting it now...I actually think that surfers are much smarter these days and can understand why tours have censored parts, and I can't imagine that a few little stars is going to convince the surfer that she doesn't actually have boobs, and therefor they won't join

Question/Comment:
Isn't popularity also a factor?
At a certain point the name & the face become know by surfers, and then the full nudity is not truly needed in the tours to attract attencion until they get into actual paysite?

[Hammer]

Jace, where the fuck have I ever poked fun or belittled you? Dude, someone came along that actually tried to answer your questions which I assumed were legit questions and now you've lumped me in with the others that do nothing but attack you.

I see you now as a true Opranaught and not someone that actually wants to learn as you claim. If you had been honest in the first place I wouldn't have made the suggestions I did. Instead you were a smartass punk and now I'll leave you to having fun stirring up the oldies, which is apparently the only reason you're here since you obviously have this all figured out and are getting rich.

[Sammy]

Originally Posted by Hammer

Jace, where the fuck have I ever poked fun or belittled you? Dude, someone came along that actually tried to answer your questions which I assumed were legit questions and now you've lumped me in with the others that do nothing but attack you.

I see you now as a true Opranaught and not someone that actually wants to learn as you claim. If you had been honest in the first place I wouldn't have made the suggestions I did. Instead you were a smartass punk and now I'll leave you to having fun stirring up the oldies, which is apparently the only reason you're here since you obviously have this all figured out and are getting rich.

I see you've finally understand the new mentality.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by Hammer

Jace, where the fuck have I ever poked fun or belittled you? Dude, someone came along that actually tried to answer your questions which I assumed were legit questions and now you've lumped me in with the others that do nothing but attack you.

I see you now as a true Opranaught and not someone that actually wants to learn as you claim. If you had been honest in the first place I wouldn't have made the suggestions I did. Instead you were a smartass punk and now I'll leave you to having fun stirring up the oldies, which is apparently the only reason you're here since you obviously have this all figured out and are getting rich.

Hammer, I would like to apologize to you, I mistook you for one of the "oldies" that has it out for me around here. I assumed that was all that was left here posting because they pretty much have ran everyone else off.

once again, I apologize and would love to have some intelligent convos with you if you will still give me the time of day

I need to start a list or something with all the fake nicks and oldies on it so I can keep track and cross reference while I post

[JR]

meh

[Hammer]

Originally Posted by Jace

Hammer, I would like to apologize to you, I mistook you for one of the "oldies" that has it out for me around here. I assumed that was all that was left here posting because they pretty much have ran everyone else off.

once again, I apologize and would love to have some intelligent convos with you if you will still give me the time of day

I need to start a list or something with all the fake nicks and oldies on it so I can keep track and cross reference while I post

I can understand the confusion, but I'm still unclear at what point I appeared condescending or trite in my replies to your posts. Now it appears that I was offering advice based on misinformation and sarcasm which I hadn't picked up on. Surely you've noticed by now that I'm not considered an 'oldie' around here.

Unfortunately, I think the likelihood of us having intelligent convos on this board are slim.

[Rolo]

Oh, you two - its so sweet seeing you making up... I think I'm going to cry

[Rcourt64]

Originally Posted by Rolo

Oh, you two - its so sweet seeing you making up... I think I'm going to cry

Do you need a shoulder to cry on old man?

[Rolo]

Originally Posted by Rcourt64

Do you need a shoulder to cry on old man?

Thanks - I will be alright, do not need your hairy lady shoulders this time

[Rcourt64]

Originally Posted by Rolo

Thanks - I will be alright, do not need your hairy lady shoulders this time

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Sin

I hear that "back in the day" while there were fewer webmasters, there was also a lot less free porn... maybe people actually have to sign up to Tabitha's site to see her. What a concept.

Mike AI wouldnt even give up a nipple on his tours. Seemed to have worked out well for him.

[TheJimmy]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

...

I have mad respect for most of the guys who were in the game already when I got in. ....

I was stoked when I got my first link on PK and Boogie's sites back in the day...


wow, this thread brought back some memories

:thumbsup

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by TheJimmy

I was stoked when I got my first link on PK and Boogie's sites back in the day...


wow, this thread brought back some memories

:thumbsup

First time one of my sites got listed on PK's she sent me 20k hits the first day.

I damn near crapped my shorts.

And I'll also never forget how great it felt when those emails from Tommy's would arrive. That guy helped me more than he'll ever know too.

[TheJimmy]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

First time one of my sites got listed on PK's she sent me 20k hits the first day.

I damn near crapped my shorts.

And I'll also never forget how great it felt when those emails from Tommy's would arrive. That guy helped me more than he'll ever know too.

I totally hear that man, it was almost too easy back then...well except for the b/w pricing, made that end a bit of a dance...

[Timon]

Todd, just to bring you up to speed. Jace is one of the main guys here now... major surfmaster!

Originally Posted by Jace

the trouble is that they don't sign up, and I can't figure it out...maybe when they can't see nudity they think it isn't there! damn, i never thought of that...maybe they actually think every picture in her site is going to have her covering her boobs with her hand....damn...cause we know, after all, that the surfer is the dumbest part of the adult webmastering experience

i don't see how either with me and tabitha spending 12 hours a day on myspace!

(btw he's talking about his wife )

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by TheJimmy

I totally hear that man, it was almost too easy back then...well except for the b/w pricing, made that end a bit of a dance...

I had over 80% of my network on adult freehosts back then.

Laughing here, but damn I had almost zero overhead and was pulling in over 4-5 times what I used to make during the 15 years I worked as a health care worker at a local hospital.