Jace?

[JoesHO]

is this another one of those bullshit threads that the old timers ( and trev) say is a business lesson?

HAHAAH

you idiot dinasours are the ones that are losing money now and not making what you did " back in the day" when all this steal from your buyer crap was still tolerated. I bet none of you sleep at all with the nerves you got. Now days you too are even finding out working for a sale is what it takes, and you definatly do not like the new, or money making webmasters/internet proprietors ,or (the ones that may slip up and actually offer some good advice) to be around to make you have to work even harder LOL

if any of you jack offs were still making the kind of money that was made back then, the last two things you would do are

1.) leave adult and all that free easy money for anything in mainstream!!!

2.) be here on some message board arguing with people you claim to be lessor beings than you .

keep on keepin on playas. you know a legend in your own minds.

[Trev]

Originally Posted by JoesHO

is this another one of those bullshit threads that the old timers ( and trev) say is a business lesson?

I'm not sure what you mean here.... am I not an old timer? If not then cool.

Originally Posted by JoesHO

1.) leave adult and all that free easy money for anything in mainstream!!!

2.) be here on some message board arguing with people you claim to be lessor beings than you .

keep on keepin on playas. you know a legend in your own minds.

Who said I was out of adult?

I remember saying I was going to try mainstream, nothing about leaving adult though....


Hows your driving?

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by JoesHO

is this another one of those bullshit threads that the old timers ( and trev) say is a business lesson?

HAHAAH

you idiot dinasours are the ones that are losing money now and not making what you did " back in the day" when all this steal from your buyer crap was still tolerated. I bet none of you sleep at all with the nerves you got. Now days you too are even finding out working for a sale is what it takes, and you definatly do not like the new, or money making webmasters/internet proprietors ,or (the ones that may slip up and actually offer some good advice) to be around to make you have to work even harder LOL

if any of you jack offs were still making the kind of money that was made back then, the last two things you would do are

1.) leave adult and all that free easy money for anything in mainstream!!!

2.) be here on some message board arguing with people you claim to be lessor beings than you .

keep on keepin on playas. you know a legend in your own minds.

You know, just a thought here but back in the day there were oh, say 5000 webmasters to compete with for sales. Today maybe there's 500,000. The sheer number of n00bs in today's game is a LARGE part of the reason why the "dinosaurs" are maybe a little jaded.

It's not rocket science to realize that the playing field is spread out 1000's of times wider today than it was in 1998 (when I started) or earlier.

I have mad respect for most of the guys who were in the game already when I got in. Most of the ones I knocked shoulders with were honest, and although we all valued our surfers we were all also patently aware of the aweful truth.... that surfers give about as much of a shit about you the webmaster as you do about them, period. Consider the fact that many of those "dinosaurs" are still around, their businesses still thriving. It's called being adaptable, it's called not only being innovative but in thinking in the long-term.

Some of you guys are getting quite cocky at the oldies, but the fact is they made it, you haven't yet.

No need for all the lameass attitude from either side. It's counterproductive and a huge waste of time, but the other fact to consider here is: Which side can honestly afford and justify that waste of time? My vote goes to the oldies.

[Trev]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

You know, just a thought here but back in the day there were oh, say 5000 webmasters to compete with for sales. Today maybe there's 500,000. The sheer number of n00bs in today's game is a LARGE part of the reason why the "dinosaurs" are maybe a little jaded.

It's not rocket science to realize that the playing field is spread out 1000's of times wider today than it was in 1998 (when I started) or earlier.

I have mad respect for most of the guys who were in the game already when I got in. Most of the ones I knocked shoulders with were honest, and although we all valued our surfers we were all also patently aware of the aweful truth.... that surfers give about as much of a shit about you the webmaster as you do about them, period. Consider the fact that many of those "dinosaurs" are still around, their businesses still thriving. It's called being adaptable, it's called not only being innovative but in thinking in the long-term.

Some of you guys are getting quite cocky at the oldies, but the fact is they made it, you haven't yet.

No need for all the lameass attitude from either side. It's counterproductive and a huge waste of time, but the other fact to consider here is: Which side can honestly afford and justify that waste of time? My vote goes to the oldies.

That post should be added to a hall of fame somewhere.

[TheJimmy]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

...

I have mad respect for most of the guys who were in the game already when I got in. ....

I was stoked when I got my first link on PK and Boogie's sites back in the day...


wow, this thread brought back some memories

:thumbsup

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by TheJimmy

I was stoked when I got my first link on PK and Boogie's sites back in the day...


wow, this thread brought back some memories

:thumbsup

First time one of my sites got listed on PK's she sent me 20k hits the first day.

I damn near crapped my shorts.

And I'll also never forget how great it felt when those emails from Tommy's would arrive. That guy helped me more than he'll ever know too.

[TheJimmy]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

First time one of my sites got listed on PK's she sent me 20k hits the first day.

I damn near crapped my shorts.

And I'll also never forget how great it felt when those emails from Tommy's would arrive. That guy helped me more than he'll ever know too.

I totally hear that man, it was almost too easy back then...well except for the b/w pricing, made that end a bit of a dance...

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by TheJimmy

I totally hear that man, it was almost too easy back then...well except for the b/w pricing, made that end a bit of a dance...

I had over 80% of my network on adult freehosts back then.

Laughing here, but damn I had almost zero overhead and was pulling in over 4-5 times what I used to make during the 15 years I worked as a health care worker at a local hospital.

[JR]

Originally Posted by JoesHO

if any of you jack offs were still making the kind of money that was made back then, the last two things you would do are

1.) leave adult and all that free easy money for anything in mainstream!!!

2.) be here on some message board arguing with people you claim to be lessor beings than you .

keep on keepin on playas. you know a legend in your own minds.

its all about ROI (money and time). for some people it makes perfect sense to work 18hrs a day, competing with 500,000 idiots for 5K a month just so they can temporarily dodge their real destiny of flipping burgers. for those who know their earning potential and the value of their time and considering the general instability of this business, its not worth it.

i agree with jace in the sense that its stupid to bicker back and forth between n00bs and early guys... but its no less stupid to be completely broke and naive and challenge the history, knowledge and experience of those who have been there and done it. the business is full of fads that come and go weekly and monthly. what worked well in 97 did not work in 98. what worked well in 2004, didn't in 2005. so what? nothing new. but at the end of the day, you are selling and trading a commodity. the basics are timeless. sales are sales. customers are customers, traffic is traffic. quality is quality. value is value. customer service is customer service. that was true in 97. its true today.... no matter how badly many here would like to think differently.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by JR

the basics are timeless. sales are sales. customers are customers, traffic is traffic. quality is quality. value is value. customer service is customer service. that was true in 97. its true today.... no matter how badly many here would like to think differently.

and at the end of the day I think this is something we all can agree on