Jace?

[Rcourt64]

D u ever check Tabithas xpeeps email?

[Jace]

ha, yeah man, we check it

anything that is "wanna fuck?" gets deleted instantly

we are about a week behind on it though, she gets about 20 a day, and with the site moving as slow as it does sometimes it makes it hard to answer them all

between myspace and xpeeps she stays pretty busy with contacting people daily

[Rolo]

Originally Posted by Jace

between myspace and xpeeps she stays pretty busy with contacting people daily

So this is webmastering anno 2006 - HAHAHAHA!

[Jace]

Originally Posted by Rolo

So this is webmastering anno 2006 - HAHAHAHA!

yup, it sure is...that is all we do all day is post on myspace and xpeeps...at least 12 hours a day non-stop

[Rcourt64]

Originally Posted by Jace

yup, it sure is...that is all we do all day is post on myspace and xpeeps...at least 12 hours a day non-stop

WOW !!! 12 hrs a day? and everything else you do at the same time?

[Rcourt64]

Originally Posted by Jace

ha, yeah man, we check it

anything that is "wanna fuck?" gets deleted instantly

we are about a week behind on it though, she gets about 20 a day, and with the site moving as slow as it does sometimes it makes it hard to answer them all

between myspace and xpeeps she stays pretty busy with contacting people daily

Oh, So the one tittled 'seeking puffy nipples' got delete?......hehehehe

[Hammer]

Is 12 hours a day on Xpeeps and Myspace considered good marketing?

I'm curious why you censor all the nipples on her tour? Surely you have all the proper 2257 docs and since breasts are not obscene, what's the point? It sure can't be doing anything good for your conversions.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by Hammer

Is 12 hours a day on Xpeeps and Myspace considered good marketing?

I'm curious why you censor all the nipples on her tour? Surely you have all the proper 2257 docs and since breasts are not obscene, what's the point? It sure can't be doing anything good for your conversions.

hell yeah, in fact, yesterday I we spent almost 14 hours on myspace, I can't wait to get sign ups, i wonder when they will start?

and yeah, conversions are horrible on my site, just terrible

[Sin]

Originally Posted by Hammer

I'm curious why you censor all the nipples on her tour? Surely you have all the proper 2257 docs and since breasts are not obscene, what's the point? It sure can't be doing anything good for your conversions.

I hear that "back in the day" while there were fewer webmasters, there was also a lot less free porn... maybe people actually have to sign up to Tabitha's site to see her. What a concept.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by Sin

I hear that "back in the day" while there were fewer webmasters, there was also a lot less free porn... maybe people actually have to sign up to Tabitha's site to see her. What a concept.

the trouble is that they don't sign up, and I can't figure it out...maybe when they can't see nudity they think it isn't there! damn, i never thought of that...maybe they actually think every picture in her site is going to have her covering her boobs with her hand....damn...cause we know, after all, that the surfer is the dumbest part of the adult webmastering experience

i don't see how either with me and tabitha spending 12 hours a day on myspace!

[Peaches]

Originally Posted by Jace

the trouble is that they don't sign up, and I can't figure it out...maybe when they can't see nudity they think it isn't there! damn, i never thought of that...maybe they actually think every picture in her site is going to have her covering her boobs with her hand....damn...cause we know, after all, that the surfer is the dumbest part of the adult webmastering experience

i don't see how either with me and tabitha spending 12 hours a day on myspace!

Might I mention that if you're NOT making money off it spending 12 hours a day, there might be a better way to spend that 12 hours?

Just a suggestion

[JR]

Originally Posted by Peaches

Might I mention that if you're NOT making money off it spending 12 hours a day, there might be a better way to spend that 12 hours?

Just a suggestion

you keep forgetting that they are the ones arguing that its a brave new world that older guys don't understand. we should all be reading very attentive at how not to make money, how not to manage your time well and how to convince yourself you are actually doing it for the passion, not dollars... its something quite new to most of the people that have been around for a while.

please... carry on about how not to make money. many old timers are very interested in the n00b perspective.

[Timon]

Todd, just to bring you up to speed. Jace is one of the main guys here now... major surfmaster!

Originally Posted by Jace

the trouble is that they don't sign up, and I can't figure it out...maybe when they can't see nudity they think it isn't there! damn, i never thought of that...maybe they actually think every picture in her site is going to have her covering her boobs with her hand....damn...cause we know, after all, that the surfer is the dumbest part of the adult webmastering experience

i don't see how either with me and tabitha spending 12 hours a day on myspace!

(btw he's talking about his wife )

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Sin

I hear that "back in the day" while there were fewer webmasters, there was also a lot less free porn... maybe people actually have to sign up to Tabitha's site to see her. What a concept.

Mike AI wouldnt even give up a nipple on his tours. Seemed to have worked out well for him.

[Winetalk.com]

I'll say no word.

[Winetalk.com]

if ANYBODY farts, makes noise, makes disparraging post, and brakes Jace's concentration and the flow of thought - I'll be very very upset.

[Winetalk.com]

Peaches, why did you break his concentration!?

We all have been having fun and now it's over
;(

[Peaches]

Originally Posted by Winetalk.com

Peaches, why did you break his concentration!?

We all have been having fun and now it's over
;(

Sorry - I don't follow directions well

[JR]

the only funny thing about some of these guys is that they keep saying and believing that they represent the future.


.... waiting for rhetorical, the respected leader of oprano n00bs to show up now and brag about his fake travels, fake porsche and fake apartments all over canada and the US .

[softball]

Originally Posted by JR

the only funny thing about some of these guys is that they keep saying and believing that they represent the future.


.... waiting for rhetorical, the respected leader of oprano n00bs to show up now and brag about his fake travels, fake porsche and fake apartments all over canada and the US .

"been there. done it. been around the world many times. seen and done more amazing things than most will in 50 lifetimes. all because of my hard work and what it allowed me to do and the money it made me."

I spit up my beer when I read this. Just after putting the cover on my fake 930.
Dude, your fifty lifetimes.....give me a break. Been around the world many times? With that kind of sophistication, I am shocked that you are so threatened by a new generation of entrepreneurs. Kid, I have no idea whatsoever about your world travels. I have no idea how much money you make or have made. I have no idea what kind of car you drive of who fucks your wife. And I actually don't care. I see an angry guy who feels threatened. If you actually did make large and you actually managed to keep it...unlike many....then good luck to you. But wtf are you here insulting the shit out of others in this business? You have probably made money pimping lots of women. So why this concern about how others run their business?
So, come back. Insult everyone's family again. Be the sophisticated raconteur that you know is just screaming to get out.
Or, drink off your when we stories. If we ever meet, which I am sure will be never, you bring your passports, I will bring mine. And we can trade round the world war zone, famine, and political stories from all the places we have been...real or imagined.

[Jace]

for some reason you all have this misconception that I am also in this for the fun of it...I am in this for one simple thing, the money...yes, I love being a webmaster and I love any chance I get to design because I do have artists blood running through me, but money is all it boils down to for me

but I also don't agree that we shoul;d treat surfers like shit until they buy...if I am selling something I am not going to treat someone like shit until they buy, I treat every single person like they are going to buy my product, and if they don't, oh well, I will make money on the next person

[Rcourt64]

Originally Posted by Jace

for some reason you all have this misconception that I am also in this for the fun of it...I am in this for one simple thing, the money...yes, I love being a webmaster and I love any chance I get to design because I do have artists blood running through me, but money is all it boils down to for me

but I also don't agree that we shoul;d treat surfers like shit until they buy...if I am selling something I am not going to treat someone like shit until they buy, I treat every single person like they are going to buy my product, and if they don't, oh well, I will make money on the next person

Thank you Jace, maybe your expressing it better than me. It's pretty much the same thoughts I have "NOT exactly the same" but very close.

[redneckroy]

Going out for an expresso and hot rolls. Anyone want anything?

[Rcourt64]

Originally Posted by redneckroy

Going out for an expresso and hot rolls. Anyone want anything?

Im getting ready to hit the buffet, "where my chopsticks at ."..lol

Hopefully there will be replies when I return.

[Rolo]

Originally Posted by Jace

but I also don't agree that we shoul;d treat surfers like shit until they buy...if I am selling something I am not going to treat someone like shit until they buy, I treat every single person like they are going to buy my product, and if they don't, oh well, I will make money on the next person

So, in a real world scenario, then you would also treat each single person you meet like he is going to pay for fucking your wife, no matter he will most likely end up pulling down his pants and blowing his load on her face, and then quickly run out of the door without leaving any cash. Would you sit back and say "oh well honey, I hope we will make money on the next person"?

[Jace]

Originally Posted by Rolo

So, in a real world scenario, then you would also treat each single person you meet like he is going to pay for fucking your wife, no matter he will most likely end up pulling down his pants and blowing his load on her face, and then quickly run out of the door without leaving any cash. Would you sit back and say "oh well honey, I hope we will make money on the next person"?

I have abolsutely NO clue what that was supposed to mean

I am starting to think that you are under the impression that my wife fucks other guys, which is not true, she has only been with 4 men in her entire life, including me

[Trev]

Originally Posted by Jace

I have abolsutely NO clue what that was supposed to mean

There's the problem, he wasn't really talking about other men fucking your wife, you just can't seem to see what he was really saying...

[Jace]

Originally Posted by Trev

There's the problem, he wasn't really talking about other men fucking your wife, you just can't seem to see what he was really saying...

I guess what the really means is that i don't care enough to read much of what he posts all that carefully

this board is fun and all, but you all seem to take it WAY too seriously

[JoesHO]

is this another one of those bullshit threads that the old timers ( and trev) say is a business lesson?

HAHAAH

you idiot dinasours are the ones that are losing money now and not making what you did " back in the day" when all this steal from your buyer crap was still tolerated. I bet none of you sleep at all with the nerves you got. Now days you too are even finding out working for a sale is what it takes, and you definatly do not like the new, or money making webmasters/internet proprietors ,or (the ones that may slip up and actually offer some good advice) to be around to make you have to work even harder LOL

if any of you jack offs were still making the kind of money that was made back then, the last two things you would do are

1.) leave adult and all that free easy money for anything in mainstream!!!

2.) be here on some message board arguing with people you claim to be lessor beings than you .

keep on keepin on playas. you know a legend in your own minds.

[Trev]

Originally Posted by JoesHO

is this another one of those bullshit threads that the old timers ( and trev) say is a business lesson?

I'm not sure what you mean here.... am I not an old timer? If not then cool.

Originally Posted by JoesHO

1.) leave adult and all that free easy money for anything in mainstream!!!

2.) be here on some message board arguing with people you claim to be lessor beings than you .

keep on keepin on playas. you know a legend in your own minds.

Who said I was out of adult?

I remember saying I was going to try mainstream, nothing about leaving adult though....


Hows your driving?

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by JoesHO

is this another one of those bullshit threads that the old timers ( and trev) say is a business lesson?

HAHAAH

you idiot dinasours are the ones that are losing money now and not making what you did " back in the day" when all this steal from your buyer crap was still tolerated. I bet none of you sleep at all with the nerves you got. Now days you too are even finding out working for a sale is what it takes, and you definatly do not like the new, or money making webmasters/internet proprietors ,or (the ones that may slip up and actually offer some good advice) to be around to make you have to work even harder LOL

if any of you jack offs were still making the kind of money that was made back then, the last two things you would do are

1.) leave adult and all that free easy money for anything in mainstream!!!

2.) be here on some message board arguing with people you claim to be lessor beings than you .

keep on keepin on playas. you know a legend in your own minds.

You know, just a thought here but back in the day there were oh, say 5000 webmasters to compete with for sales. Today maybe there's 500,000. The sheer number of n00bs in today's game is a LARGE part of the reason why the "dinosaurs" are maybe a little jaded.

It's not rocket science to realize that the playing field is spread out 1000's of times wider today than it was in 1998 (when I started) or earlier.

I have mad respect for most of the guys who were in the game already when I got in. Most of the ones I knocked shoulders with were honest, and although we all valued our surfers we were all also patently aware of the aweful truth.... that surfers give about as much of a shit about you the webmaster as you do about them, period. Consider the fact that many of those "dinosaurs" are still around, their businesses still thriving. It's called being adaptable, it's called not only being innovative but in thinking in the long-term.

Some of you guys are getting quite cocky at the oldies, but the fact is they made it, you haven't yet.

No need for all the lameass attitude from either side. It's counterproductive and a huge waste of time, but the other fact to consider here is: Which side can honestly afford and justify that waste of time? My vote goes to the oldies.

[Trev]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

You know, just a thought here but back in the day there were oh, say 5000 webmasters to compete with for sales. Today maybe there's 500,000. The sheer number of n00bs in today's game is a LARGE part of the reason why the "dinosaurs" are maybe a little jaded.

It's not rocket science to realize that the playing field is spread out 1000's of times wider today than it was in 1998 (when I started) or earlier.

I have mad respect for most of the guys who were in the game already when I got in. Most of the ones I knocked shoulders with were honest, and although we all valued our surfers we were all also patently aware of the aweful truth.... that surfers give about as much of a shit about you the webmaster as you do about them, period. Consider the fact that many of those "dinosaurs" are still around, their businesses still thriving. It's called being adaptable, it's called not only being innovative but in thinking in the long-term.

Some of you guys are getting quite cocky at the oldies, but the fact is they made it, you haven't yet.

No need for all the lameass attitude from either side. It's counterproductive and a huge waste of time, but the other fact to consider here is: Which side can honestly afford and justify that waste of time? My vote goes to the oldies.

That post should be added to a hall of fame somewhere.

[TheJimmy]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

...

I have mad respect for most of the guys who were in the game already when I got in. ....

I was stoked when I got my first link on PK and Boogie's sites back in the day...


wow, this thread brought back some memories

:thumbsup

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by TheJimmy

I was stoked when I got my first link on PK and Boogie's sites back in the day...


wow, this thread brought back some memories

:thumbsup

First time one of my sites got listed on PK's she sent me 20k hits the first day.

I damn near crapped my shorts.

And I'll also never forget how great it felt when those emails from Tommy's would arrive. That guy helped me more than he'll ever know too.

[TheJimmy]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

First time one of my sites got listed on PK's she sent me 20k hits the first day.

I damn near crapped my shorts.

And I'll also never forget how great it felt when those emails from Tommy's would arrive. That guy helped me more than he'll ever know too.

I totally hear that man, it was almost too easy back then...well except for the b/w pricing, made that end a bit of a dance...

[JR]

Originally Posted by JoesHO

if any of you jack offs were still making the kind of money that was made back then, the last two things you would do are

1.) leave adult and all that free easy money for anything in mainstream!!!

2.) be here on some message board arguing with people you claim to be lessor beings than you .

keep on keepin on playas. you know a legend in your own minds.

its all about ROI (money and time). for some people it makes perfect sense to work 18hrs a day, competing with 500,000 idiots for 5K a month just so they can temporarily dodge their real destiny of flipping burgers. for those who know their earning potential and the value of their time and considering the general instability of this business, its not worth it.

i agree with jace in the sense that its stupid to bicker back and forth between n00bs and early guys... but its no less stupid to be completely broke and naive and challenge the history, knowledge and experience of those who have been there and done it. the business is full of fads that come and go weekly and monthly. what worked well in 97 did not work in 98. what worked well in 2004, didn't in 2005. so what? nothing new. but at the end of the day, you are selling and trading a commodity. the basics are timeless. sales are sales. customers are customers, traffic is traffic. quality is quality. value is value. customer service is customer service. that was true in 97. its true today.... no matter how badly many here would like to think differently.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by JR

the basics are timeless. sales are sales. customers are customers, traffic is traffic. quality is quality. value is value. customer service is customer service. that was true in 97. its true today.... no matter how badly many here would like to think differently.

and at the end of the day I think this is something we all can agree on

[Rolo]

Rcourt64, Jace meet JoesHO... another self made sheep.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by Rolo

Rcourt64, Jace meet JoesHO... another self made sheep.

you really have absolutely NO clue, do you? LOL

this shit gets funnier by the minute

[Rolo]

No, I´m just a bitter old timer who is sitting here taking notes from the new generation of the webmaster elite

Prehaps I could get you to school me a bit more about pleasing the surfer... do you take the surfers penis in your hand and then wank him off or does he this by himself?

[Jace]

Originally Posted by Rolo

No, I´m just a bitter old timer who is sitting here taking notes from the new generation of the webmaster elite

Prehaps I could get you to school me a bit more about pleasing the surfer... do you take the surfers penis in your hand and then wank him off or does he this by himself?

i just don't know what to think about you man...you just have a really wierd way of looking at things....times have changed, and the surfer doesn't like being treated like shit anymore because if you treat them like shit, they will just go down the net to another site that appreciates them

one thing I do know is that our site keeps a consistant ratio of around 1:350, and that is with even tgp traffic..so, while you MAY think that I am doing something wrong, my stats show that I am doing something right..and at the end of the day nothing you can say will affect the way I think because I just have to look at my stats to know I am doing the right thing

i am not going to respond to insults you all throw around anymore because throwing insults is just childish and ignorant, but I will talk business any time you all want...the trouble is I really actually don't think any of you "old timers" actually have any business to do

[Jace]

I am off for the night, you all have a nice time...I am going to grill out, sit on my trailer porch next to my pink flamingos and drink some mad dog 20/20

[Rolo]

Jace, you need to teach your knowledge... so others may follow in your footsteps. Teach them "how to do" and "what to do". You be their leader, and they will follow you. Do not waste your energy on old timers - go out there and teach a man how to fish, teach him where to fish, and teach him to teach others. Soon the word will be spread, and the world will be a better place, where every husband will make millions selling nakkid pictures of his wife.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by Rolo

Jace, you need to teach your knowledge... so others may follow in your footsteps. Teach them "how to do" and "what to do". You be their leader, and they will follow you. Do not waste your energy on old timers - go out there and teach a man how to fish, teach him where to fish, and teach him to teach others. Soon the word will be spread, and the world will be a better place, where every husband will make millions selling nakkid pictures of his wife.

is it jealousy that fires your posting or hatred or what? you keep bringing up me selling pics of my wife, but fact remains I am naked on those pics too, so in turn is she selling me? cause I am lost...when it is something we enjoy doing TOGETHER, how am I the only one that seems to be taking flack for it? why don't people talk to her about how she is pimping me out? you act as thought I am some pedophile that is pimping out his 14 year old wife for cash without her knowing any better...and to suggest that I am forcing her to do anything against her will is just ignorant due to her intelligence level being off the charts

and btw, I have no desire to teach anyone...I do fine by myself and make a nice living doing what I do...though, if someone wants to ask I will be more than happy to answer without belittling them and being snobby about it.

[Rcourt64]

Originally Posted by Jace

is it jealousy that fires your posting or hatred or what? you keep bringing up me selling pics of my wife, but fact remains I am naked on those pics too, so in turn is she selling me? cause I am lost...when it is something we enjoy doing TOGETHER, how am I the only one that seems to be taking flack for it? why don't people talk to her about how she is pimping me out? you act as thought I am some pedophile that is pimping out his 14 year old wife for cash without her knowing any better...and to suggest that I am forcing her to do anything against her will is just ignorant due to her intelligence level being off the charts

and btw, I have no desire to teach anyone...I do fine by myself and make a nice living doing what I do...though, if someone wants to ask I will be more than happy to answer without belittling them and being snobby about it.

[Hammer]

At the risk of breaking the negative flow of the thread.... Jace, if you're serious in what you replied to me and want help and weren't just being sarcastic, then I'd say that the fact that you are censoring the breasts, which really makes no sense since they aren't obscene and showing breasts is in no way giving away free porn, is going to hurt your sales. I'd suggest removing the censoring. I'd also recommend making the tour much harder core. To me, it's too soft.

You do have some small sample hardcore pics in the scrolling section on the first page so I know your wife does more than just pose for cheesecake shots, but the average surfer that looks at the site won't know that.

As I mentioned before, I do think there are better ways to spend 12 hours a day than xpeeps and Myspace.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by Hammer

At the risk of breaking the negative flow of the thread.... Jace, if you're serious in what you replied to me and want help and weren't just being sarcastic, then I'd say that the fact that you are censoring the breasts, which really makes no sense since they aren't obscene and showing breasts is in no way giving away free porn, is going to hurt your sales. I'd suggest removing the censoring. I'd also recommend making the tour much harder core. To me, it's too soft.

You do have some small sample hardcore pics in the scrolling section on the first page so I know your wife does more than just pose for cheesecake shots, but the average surfer that looks at the site won't know that.

actually, since we threw that new tour up our conversions have gotten twice as good...while before when I showed hardcore on the tour we were getting a steady 1:800-1000, we now are at a consistant 1:300-500 across the board...I have affiliates that I have had for years emailing me thanking me for putting up that new tour becuase they can't believe how much better it is doing.

I have a second tour going up in the next week that will have a little more action on it, but it will still be censored to an extent, but because of the amateur nature of the tour it will be much more revealing.

After that, next month, I will be having a full on hardcore tour made for a 3rd tour...but even that will be censored to an extent.

so, while I used to agree that the surfer needed to see more before he would join, I am doubting it now...I actually think that surfers are much smarter these days and can understand why tours have censored parts, and I can't imagine that a few little stars is going to convince the surfer that she doesn't actually have boobs, and therefor they won't join

[Rcourt64]

Originally Posted by Jace

actually, since we threw that new tour up our conversions have gotten twice as good...while before when I showed hardcore on the tour we were getting a steady 1:800-1000, we now are at a consistant 1:300-500 across the board...I have affiliates that I have had for years emailing me thanking me for putting up that new tour becuase they can't believe how much better it is doing.

I have a second tour going up in the next week that will have a little more action on it, but it will still be censored to an extent, but because of the amateur nature of the tour it will be much more revealing.

After that, next month, I will be having a full on hardcore tour made for a 3rd tour...but even that will be censored to an extent.

so, while I used to agree that the surfer needed to see more before he would join, I am doubting it now...I actually think that surfers are much smarter these days and can understand why tours have censored parts, and I can't imagine that a few little stars is going to convince the surfer that she doesn't actually have boobs, and therefor they won't join

Question/Comment:
Isn't popularity also a factor?
At a certain point the name & the face become know by surfers, and then the full nudity is not truly needed in the tours to attract attencion until they get into actual paysite?

[Jace]

Originally Posted by Hammer

As I tried to subtlely point out in my earlier post, I also think there are better ways to spend your 12 hours a day than xpeeps and Myspace.

I was being sarcastic about the myspace thing dude, while we are on there, everything we do is automated, I have a bot set up on another machine that does all the myspace shit automatically