Should Christmas be a National Holiday ??

[Trev]

Originally Posted by Dravyk

Ah well then, where are all the British holidays for all the people they conquered and fucked over throughout the centuries?

India Day?
Carribbean Day?
USA Day?
Hong Kong Day?
Egypt Day?
Palestine Day?
Australia Day?
Ireland Day?
The list goes on and on and on ...

So where are they? Ah, I thought so.

So where the hell do you have any room to talk whatsoever? Yep, precisely none.

Do we have a maids day or butlers day... no, why?

Because we don't give the lower classes special holidays.

[Trev]

Originally Posted by Dravyk

And learn to spell "favorite" like someone who speaks English and not like the French would.

Don't even go there with that bastardized language that you spell in.

[Newton]

Bad grammar and form Dravyk

[sarettah]

All this, of course, is just one manifestation of a more general problem with having Christmas Day as a national holiday in a country where there are all sorts of religious beliefs, including none, and where the First Amendment to the Constitution declares that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

Christmas is a national holiday partly because it is a major religious holiday of the country's dominant religion, but that certainly can't be the whole story, because Easter, which is arguably a more important religious holiday, is not a national holiday. You don't have to look far to find the rest of the story. Christmas became a national holiday because it involved the exchange of gifts, which is now by far the biggest part of the celebration. Take a holiday of the dominant religion, add gift exchange as a major part of the celebration, and---presto!---the modern market economy responds to deliver the gifts and to pump up demand for even more gifts year after year. Anybody, whether or not they attribute any religious significance to Christmas, can participate in the gift exchange, and the consumer economy not only encourages them to do so, it really requires them to participate, for Christmas has become the great engine of the consumer economy.

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[PornoDoggy]

Originally Posted by Almighty Colin

You rang?

- somehow I knew that would get your attention.

[sarettah]

Hmmm. not getting anywhere with this whole thing so maybe it is time to ask the question in a different way...

How would you feel if instead of Christmas being a national holiday, Hannukah was made a national holiday. So, instead of saying Merry Christmas all over the place we would be saying Happy Hannukah and giving Hannukah gifts instead of Christmas gifts.

And when you (as a Christian, Muslim, Pagan, whatever) complained about it it was explained that it was just a name and didn't really mean anything anymore so why get your panties in a ruffle about it ?

[Peaches]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Hmmm. not getting anywhere with this whole thing so maybe it is time to ask the question in a different way...

How would you feel if instead of Christmas being a national holiday, Hannukah was made a national holiday. So, instead of saying Merry Christmas all over the place we would be saying Happy Hannukah and giving Hannukah gifts instead of Christmas gifts.

And when you (as a Christian, Muslim, Pagan, whatever) complained about it it was explained that it was just a name and didn't really mean anything anymore so why get your panties in a ruffle about it ?

I think that would be AWESOME!!! Hannukah is 8 days long

[Trev]

Originally Posted by Peaches

I think that would be AWESOME!!! Hannukah is 8 days long

I didn't know that, I'm good to rock with Hannukah as well

[Red]

Originally Posted by Peaches

I think that would be AWESOME!!! Hannukah is 8 days long

Yeah, but we only got one present a night and the first night was the only good present. The other nights were socks, underwear and other useful things.

[Peaches]

Originally Posted by Red

Yeah, but we only got one present a night and the first night was the only good present. The other nights were socks, underwear and other useful things.

Not much different than Christmas - 1 good gift, the rest useful stuff But Sare was talking about making it a National Holiday - 8 days off in Dec sounds superb to me

[sarettah]

No no no... You wouldn't get 8 days off dammit.

I was merely changing the name of Christmas (december 25, Candlemas, Mid winters fest) to the Jewish Holiday. Still one day off for the fucker. Still give presents that you can't afford to give. Still the emphasis on the commercial marketing aspect.

Just renaming it in something other than the predominant religion's version of it.

Wouldn't that piss a bunch of people off ?

[Dravyk]

8 days?

Make it 12!!! ...

Not only does it fit in with the song, but we just combine everything into one bigass 12-day KwanzaChanukahRamadonYuleChristmasWintersolsticeSa turnalia celebration!!!

[MorganGrayson]

Originally Posted by sarettah

No no no... You wouldn't get 8 days off dammit.

I was merely changing the name of Christmas (december 25, Candlemas, Mid winters fest) to the Jewish Holiday. Still one day off for the fucker. Still give presents that you can't afford to give. Still the emphasis on the commercial marketing aspect.

Just renaming it in something other than the predominant religion's version of it.

Wouldn't that piss a bunch of people off ?

Yes, of course it would piss a bunch of people off.
People who don't like change.
People who never saw Christmas as a religious holiday in the first place.
Christians real and pretend.
People who just like getting pissed off about shit.

I take your point and it makes the "making a religious holiday a 'National Holiday'" concept easier to grasp.

Do you actually have a suggestion for the removal of the US Government and their attempts/successes at "establishing a religion"?

Yes, it's unConstitutional. Yes, it violates everything we *thought* this country was founded on. However, it doesn't seem to matter. There are countless court cases that should have been won that have been lost, because not enough people want this particular boat to be rocked.

The biggest difference between the "right" and the "left" in this country is that the "right" is organized and loud.

[voodooman]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Hmmm. not getting anywhere with this whole thing so maybe it is time to ask the question in a different way...

How would you feel if instead of Christmas being a national holiday, Hannukah was made a national holiday. So, instead of saying Merry Christmas all over the place we would be saying Happy Hannukah and giving Hannukah gifts instead of Christmas gifts.

And when you (as a Christian, Muslim, Pagan, whatever) complained about it it was explained that it was just a name and didn't really mean anything anymore so why get your panties in a ruffle about it ?

AGAIN, I say, Who Gives A Fuck?!?!?

[Peaches]

Originally Posted by voodooman

AGAIN, I say, Who Gives A Fuck?!?!?

Sarettah

[voodooman]

Originally Posted by Peaches

Sarettah

Actually, I don't think he cares THAT much, he just wants to
see what shit he can stir.

[Trev]

Originally Posted by voodooman

Actually, I don't think he cares THAT much, he just wants to
see what shit he can stir.

You should be a policeman with senses like those

[Dravyk]

Originally Posted by voodooman

Actually, I don't think he cares THAT much, he just wants to see what shit he can stir.

Sare? Naw, tell me it isn't so!

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by voodooman

Actually, I don't think he cares THAT much, he just wants to
see what shit he can stir.

Moi ??

I get accused of all sorts of shit these days dammit.

I was seriously interested in the question and was wondering what the board thought of it. There was not other reason for me to ask it. Trust me























(it did go 3 pages though)

[MorganGrayson]

Originally Posted by Dravyk

Sare? Naw, tell me it isn't so!

Sorry, Dravyk. Deep breaths here. It's so.

Final answer: no, of course it shouldn't be. However, it is. So, shall we move on to the next controversial issue we can't do a damned thing about now?

[voodooman]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Moi ??
Trust me

No worries, I TRUST you.

[MorganGrayson]

Originally Posted by voodooman

No worries, I TRUST you.

Citizen's arrest! Disorderly conduct! Being a half-wit in a public place!

[Timon]

just eat your fucking turkey and shut the fuck up everyone

[voodooman]

Originally Posted by Timon

just eat your fucking turkey and shut the fuck up everyone

Hey, why you so pissy? I celebrate Martin Luther King Day.

[el pres]

Do you get regional holidays in the US.. Drives me mad here.
The city will shutdown, but 5 miles away everything goes on as normal.

Then you've got state holidays, and then the national ones.
Yep, Spain has way to many holidays, there are 2 next week some
godly one and the constitution.

Columbus day is on the 12th October here, not the 10th like you.. odd.

[Almighty Colin]

Originally Posted by el pres

Columbus day is on the 12th October here, not the 10th like you.. odd.

Americans hate working on Mondays. "Columbus Day is celebrated on the 2nd Monday in October" - The Internet.

[Stacey_JoinRightNow]

its still a holiday and mostly that season everyone are having a vacation, so whats the difference? hehehe

[voodooman]

Originally Posted by Stacey_JoinRightNow

its still a holiday and mostly that season everyone are having a vacation, so whats the difference? hehehe

Nice pic, Who is she?

[Timon]

Originally Posted by voodooman

Hey, why you so pissy? I celebrate Martin Luther King Day.

I thought your special holiday was called Mardi Gras

[Timon]

Colin I miss you

[Dravyk]

Originally Posted by Timon

Colin I miss you

In a gay way?

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

[MorganGrayson]

Originally Posted by Almighty Colin

Americans hate working on Mondays. "Columbus Day is celebrated on the 2nd Monday in October" - The Internet.

I think it was called "The Monday Holiday Bill" and dates back to the...60's? I remember thinking as a child it was just *wrong* to up and move dates around like that, but you're right, Colin. The "three day weekend" trumped any "honor" associated with celebrating on the actual date of something.

Columbus Day is only a big deal depending on which part of the country it is in which you live.

All hell breaks loose in Chicago on St. Patrick's Day, but in most places, it's just a reason for some people to drink green beer. (That's appalling, frankly.)

[Timon]

Originally Posted by Dravyk

In a gay way?

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

If I were gay then Colin would be the guy I'd want to fuck.

[Dravyk]

Originally Posted by Timon

If I were gay then Colin would be the guy I'd want to fuck.

I'm not bald enough for you. That's it, isn't it?

[Timon]

Originally Posted by Dravyk

I'm not bald enough for you. That's it, isn't it?

Hair has nothing to do with it, you simply don't know enough about nuclear physics to be worthy of my penis

[Dravyk]

Originally Posted by Timon

Hair has nothing to do with it, you simply don't know enough about nuclear physics to be worthy of my penis

Never heard of a smart dick before. And this is coming from a wise ass.