I am 12clicks dammit!

[Toby]

[DannyCox]

That is F'n Priceless!

[softball]

Fuck me that was some kind of funny. I kinda feel ashamed for all his girls. LOL....I guess about now,12clicks might be thinkin' pole climbin' chasing dial tones was a better career choice.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

Fuck me that was some kind of funny. I kinda feel ashamed for all his girls. LOL....I guess about now,12clicks might be thinkin' pole climbin' chasing dial tones was a better career choice.

Its its ..... like bags of money floating up on the shore ! ! !

[LAJ]

Man... someone had a lot of time on their hands...


Funny shit tho.

[softball]

And a strange silence has blanketed the boards from 12clickschicks and Ron. Maybe he shoulda stayed in Tuna or learned how to take pictures instead as a plan b for mortal humiliation. When ya step on peoples toes on the way up to the middle, they sure ain't their to cushion the drop. Son.

[bluemoney]

Classic!

[12ClicksMichele]

Actually I have just been busy with work and haven't been checking the boards. The video is pretty damn funny and we all got a kick out of it here.

[Robert]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

When ya step on peoples toes on the way up to the middle, they sure ain't there to cushion the drop. Son.

Yup.

[softball]

Originally Posted by 12ClicksMichele

Actually I have just been busy with work and haven't been checking the boards. The video is pretty damn funny and we all got a kick out of it here.

I bet you did. Your damage control is a little slow off the mark. You might tell clicks and the chicks that by the time he is all over youtube and the knives are being twisted, no amount of schmoozing will help. This dude is JMM without the hat. Live by the cross check, die by the sword.

[12ClicksMichele]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

I bet you did. Your damage control is a little slow off the mark. You might tell clicks and the chicks that by the time he is all over youtube and the knives are being twisted, no amount of schmoozing will help. This dude is JMM without the hat. Live by the cross check, die by the sword.

I post when I am at work and am very rarely on the boards otherwise but think what you will like. I don't have to defend 12clicks that is his job and he has told me that from day 1. If you want to not like me because you don't like him that is your choice. Sorry if you feel I didn't respond in the appropriate time manner.
You can believe it or not, I really don't give a shit but I did find the video hysterical and have watched it several times. Abulletaway is a very witty and clever guy and I have always enjoyed conversations with him.

[12ClicksMichele]

Oh and if you enjoyed that video you might want to check out all the other Hitler titles on Youtube. Some of them are really funny.

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_lis...F1400D0F818CEC

[softball]

Originally Posted by 12ClicksMichele

I post when I am at work and am very rarely on the boards otherwise but think what you will like. I don't have to defend 12clicks that is his job and he has told me that from day 1. If you want to not like me because you don't like him that is your choice. Sorry if you feel I didn't respond in the appropriate time manner.
You can believe it or not, I really don't give a shit but I did find the video hysterical and have watched it several times. Abulletaway is a very witty and clever guy and I have always enjoyed conversations with him.

Damn, its like the Dance Band on The Titanic in Ron's World.

[12ClicksMichele]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

Damn, its like the Dance Band on The Titanic in Ron's World.

Really this is getting tiresome. From what I can gather your only problem with me is that you don't like my boss. Instead of taking that up with him you seem to want to put it on me. That is your issue not mine. I get along with alot of people who don't have 12clicks on their favorite list. I am perfectly capable of having discussions and even differing opinions with people based on them and not their affiliations. I am not going to waste my time with someone that wants to be argumentative for the sake of arguing.

Now please post again and tell me how I danced around the issue and whatever else you want to say. I am done with this stupid back and forth with you.

[softball]

Originally Posted by 12ClicksMichele

Really this is getting tiresome. From what I can gather your only problem with me is that you don't like my boss. Instead of taking that up with him you seem to want to put it on me. That is your issue not mine. I get along with alot of people who don't have 12clicks on their favorite list. I am perfectly capable of having discussions and even differing opinions with people based on them and not their affiliations. I am not going to waste my time with someone that wants to be argumentative for the sake of arguing.

Now please post again and tell me how I danced around the issue and whatever else you want to say. I am done with this stupid back and forth with you.

Of course you are kid. That is what happens. You represent 12 clicks. That is what you do. The good The bad The ugly. You don't have a choice. You use his name. You speak for him. You represent him. You are 12clicks because you sure as shit can't get off message and maintain your high paying career with advancements and medical benefits, now can you?

[12ClicksMichele]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

Of course you are kid. That is what happens. You represent 12 clicks. That is what you do. The good The bad The ugly. You don't have a choice. You use his name. You speak for him. You represent him. You are 12clicks because you sure as shit can't get off message and maintain your high paying career with advancements and medical benefits, now can you?

I represent 12ClicksCash. I don't start shit with anyone and never have. It's not my personality. You don't like me based on that then fine ignore me. You think my boss is such a dick? Really how are you acting now? I have never started any shit with you and you seem determined to attack me at every turn. If it makes your day so much then go for it. You call me kid but you are the only one acting childishly. And as for who made the video and the situation that is over why don't you go ask ABulletAway, Lazzlo and Mailman over at MP if they have any problem with me? I think you will be surprised by their answer.

[softball]

Originally Posted by 12ClicksMichele

I represent 12ClicksCash. I don't start shit with anyone and never have. It's not my personality. You don't like me based on that then fine ignore me. You think my boss is such a dick? Really how are you acting now? I have never started any shit with you and you seem determined to attack me at every turn. If it makes your day so much then go for it. You call me kid but you are the only one acting childishly. And as for who made the video and the situation that is over why don't you go ask ABulletAway, Lazzlo and Mailman over at MP if they have any problem with me? I think you will be surprised by their answer.

Do I care? Nope. I am just exercising my new ergonomic keyboard.
Y'all have fun Son. Oh yeah,.......peace out

[CharlieBrown]

i seemed to have missed out on this drama, what have 12clicks done?

[Toby]

Originally Posted by CharlieBrown

i seemed to have missed out on this drama, what have 12clicks done?

Just being himself, as usual. I gotta give ol' Ron his due, at least he's consistent.

[tony404]

I have met Michele and she is a very sweet girl. No need to give her shit.

[softball]

Originally Posted by tony404

I have met Michele and she is a very sweet girl. No need to give her shit.

Live by the scammy cross sale, die by the scammy cross sale. If she works for someone who fucks up the business and costs us all money, then she needs to deal with it. Just following orders is a worn out excuse.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by tony404

I have met Michele and she is a very sweet girl. No need to give her shit.

Yeah Tony but what he said to you on GFY really shows some true colors.

[tony404]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Yeah Tony but what he said to you on GFY really shows some true colors.

But that's him not her.

[softball]

Originally Posted by tony404

But that's him not her.

The whole bunch are bad for business in mho.

[Hell Puppy]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Yeah Tony but what he said to you on GFY really shows some true colors.

that was harsh by even 12clicks standards.

Serge actually had a great quote about character in that thread from Samuel Johnson:

"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good."

[bluemoney]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

that was harsh by even 12clicks standards

I call it cruel & uncalled for.

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good."

I know through personal experience three dudes on this board who are a living testament to that phrase

[softball]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

that was harsh by even 12clicks standards.

Serge actually had a great quote about character in that thread from Samuel Johnson:

"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good."

Serge is a quote factory for sure.

Its the state of the business. Its easy to be a piss artist and a dick swinger when easy money is filling buckets and morons get rich. But when it takes depth and talent to earn a decent living, the strong survive and the dick swingers just get mad. Not a good solution to an economic problem or in some cases, disaster.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

that was harsh by even 12clicks standards.

Serge actually had a great quote about character in that thread from Samuel Johnson:

"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good."

Hell I dont want anyone to think its just me forcng my view down everyones throat.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showpo...&postcount=146

Yall decide.

[seochick]

classic and original my men! ill be waiting for 13clicks

[tony404]

For some reason he really enjoys being cruel to me. But I learned and will keep far far away, I dont work alone so I cant just think of myself. Also how do i benefit from escalating it? Be that as it may,Michele had nothing to do with that. When I met her she was very nice which cant say for her boss.

[12ClicksMichele]

Originally Posted by tony404

I have met Michele and she is a very sweet girl. No need to give her shit.

Thanks Tony. It was a pleasure getting to meet you!

[softball]

Originally Posted by tony404

For some reason he really enjoys being cruel to me. But I learned and will keep far far away, I dont work alone so I cant just think of myself. Also how do i benefit from escalating it? Be that as it may,Michele had nothing to do with that. When I met her she was very nice which cant say for her boss.

But its still time to clean up this business. Making scammers and those who promote them welcome just makes it easier for them to continue. That costs you and I money because the customers...remember them??? lose confidence in our business because they get burned. That is when they move on to free tubes etc. We need to restore consumer confidence after a decade of trying to beat them up. Our product is a bit outside the norm, but our business practices should not be.

[DannyCox]

I really have no idea of what is going on with this 12clicks guy, or what his business practices are. I don't know him or his company as I just don't hang out at the zoo. I had a look at his affiliate program and I just saw very generic sites with the same content that everyone else seems to be using.

But, if he is involved in cross-sales and that whole scam, I would never do business with him and would shun him, his company, and his employees. I've worked quite hard these past 15 years building up a fairly reputable company that has always cared about its customers. I absolutely HATE anyone who feels they can make a quick or easy buck by purposely scamming customers as those may be my customers also. When you take advantage, no matter what justification you use, you are also hurting me and mine! The bottom line is when you screw with people who may also be my customers, you also screw with me and my livelihood. There really is no excuse, no justification, and no reason to do so if you understood business and customer relations.

So, if 12clicks isn't scamming people, there there is no reason to also attack 12ClicksMichele. But, if he is using all that scammer crap, then his employees are as guilty as he is.

I really wish people would grow some balls and make a stand against all the sleazy scammers we have in our industry. I always see people paying lip service to it, but that's it. The problem is if we don't fight it, and fight those that employee such tactics, we are really no better than them. We always check any affiliates we are going to use, and only use those that aren't using scummy tactics to screw their customers.

Okay, rant mode off

[tony404]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

But its still time to clean up this business. Making scammers and those who promote them welcome just makes it easier for them to continue. That costs you and I money because the customers...remember them??? lose confidence in our business because they get burned. That is when they move on to free tubes etc. We need to restore consumer confidence after a decade of trying to beat them up. Our product is a bit outside the norm, but our business practices should not be.

I agree with everything you say but we work in the short sighted industry. You got a very large percentage of hosts in bed with pirates and if it wasnt for porn most of them would be working at Starbucks . You got major processors supporting cross sales and now check people also.You got fucking AVN giving a lifetime achievement award to the founder of a company that basically funds piracy thru ad buys and affiliate deals. Alot of people made alot of money inspite of themselves and now that time is coming to a close. Its going to get worse and worse sadly. Do you see the music industry buying ads space on sites that trade their shit? This industry is its own worst enemy.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by tony404

I agree with everything you say but we work in the short sighted industry. You got a very large percentage of hosts in bed with pirates and if it wasnt for porn most of them would be working at Starbucks . You got major processors supporting cross sales and now check people also.You got fucking AVN giving a lifetime achievement award to the founder of a company that basically funds piracy thru ad buys and affiliate deals. Alot of people made alot of money inspite of themselves and now that time is coming to a close. Its going to get worse and worse sadly. Do you see the music industry buying ads space on sites that trade their shit? This industry is its own worst enemy.

I also see AVN consolidating all of its magazines into one just as they have consolidated the websites.

You forget that most people on the web come from nonprofessional backgrounds.

Starbucks is also slowly going out of business....

I agree with both of you.

For years Ive been building of a fan club of unethical thugs that are parked in this business scheming a dollar. Ive been accused of being fat,broke and a home wrecker. Its funny that no one has ever chased me for a dollar or any worked owed.

Like Danny Ive been around working hard quite some time.

In spite of people hanging out with thugs at the Zoo Ive managed to get the message out though.

It never has been a matter of popularity, post count or being cool for me.

In the end I'll choose those "6" posters on here to do business with while some of you mail yourself $100 bills in an effort to scam people with a pitiful chain letter website.

Next time though... check for the details. When you mail yourself all $100 bills and announce todays date and show the overnight date stamp on the 'Bags of money floating up to your door" - make sure that the dates arent a month apart.

[Hell Puppy]

Cost of entry goes up, scamming goes down. Cost of entry drops, scams go thru the roof.

The more it costs to play the more idiots you eliminate.

However, there are a lot of people here now who have made enough money and contacts that nothing short of a full fledged enema will ever remove them.

Unfortunately, we've all decided to set up shop in a bad neighborhood. So all you can do is protect yourself and keep your eyes open. Adult is the ghetto of the internet. No one cares much of what happens here. They figure if you come here, you know you're taking your chances.

[softball]

Adult is the ghetto of the internet. No one cares much of what happens here.

Remember when we were the internet?

[tony404]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

Cost of entry goes up, scamming goes down. Cost of entry drops, scams go thru the roof.

The more it costs to play the more idiots you eliminate.

However, there are a lot of people here now who have made enough money and contacts that nothing short of a full fledged enema will ever remove them.

Unfortunately, we've all decided to set up shop in a bad neighborhood. So all you can do is protect yourself and keep your eyes open. Adult is the ghetto of the internet. No one cares much of what happens here. They figure if you come here, you know you're taking your chances.

Very wise words.

[Hell Puppy]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

Remember when we were the internet?

yeah, i still miss that along with weekly 5 figure checks from Xpics. i was young and dumb then myself, they were the ones that taught me how much money can be made from scamming surfers and how long term it taints your traffic.

but i did enjoy the checks.

alot.

but alas, they are long long gone, and i still get checks from recurring member bases created back then. treat 'em as customers and with respect, and they KEEP ON giving you money.

there's an ethics question hiding in there someplace....

if you could go back in time, knowing what you know now, would you go down the path of "free joins" with the back end credit card slams and all that traffic, put millions in the bank and bail when things got hot? or do you stay on the straight and narrow?

[softball]

Probably the latter....
But I didn't. So, I have to deal with the current situation. Those scams have run dry as they were destined to. Those who are still around have to deal with the wreckage. It will eventually settle down, but a lot of customers have been burned along the way and lost confidence.
Those scams and those who run them were fundamentally dressed up drug dealers, a business I (heard) an awful lot about long time ago, and far far away in the days when "icing the puck" was hugely profitable. It was just as easy to make money selling drugs and even that became harder (or so I heard) as the novelty wore off.
But those who made the money and then fucked off were not necessarily very sage or stupid. Just lucky.
So when I hear these "old school" guys preaching like internet Gods, I kinda laugh. Its easy to clip and paste wise Samuel Johnson quotes, but financial opinions or worldly outlooks from these guys is like listening to drug dealers preach economics around a bottle of the latest expensive wine they read about, more to the point, really expensive mediocre Vodka like Grey Goose.
So, I guess my point is, that perhaps the time has come to stop welcoming them and the boardwhores who represent them and at least cut down on some of the damage they are still doing. On a practical level, that shit costs us money, so any little thing we can do to slow its progress is money in our pockets down the road.