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Originally posted by Colin@May 19 2004, 02:20 PM We?
Maybe I did a few too many "we" in that post ;-) - but I do think that its more common to belive in souls, than not too... heck, at times I find myself thinking of lost ones - knowing that their "souls" are only living in my mind, but it still feels good thinking they are there.... and maybe that is the ultimate reason why humans and their big curious brains belive in souls - it makes life easier to live - giving it a purpose/meaning to continue, when traumatic events happens - brains own therapy...
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CJ, I am happy to say that you and I seem to think along similar lines...
In recent years I have begun to read about various people and religions. I certainly don't claim to be an expert at anything, but so far in my travels I have found hinduism to be something that makes me say: "yep, that's how I feel..." I agree with you though, that humans and their interpretations tend to screw things up. That's one of the reasons I no longer consider myself to be a Catholic. Too many bizarre rules and regulations, and more loopholes than the IRS tax code. LOL
Something I read about Native Americans that I found fascinating was their respect for all living things. Before they would cut down a tree, they would ask it's permission. Sure that sounds crazy to most people these days, but I admire that. If they felt it was okay to cut down the tree they would thank it for the warmth it gave them (from the fire), and of course they would sprinkle the ashes on the ground to nourish the other plants and pray that the tree would become something more than it had been when it was a tree. The same goes for the meat they ate. When they went on a hunt they would thank the animals for the nourishment they provided, and they used every last bit of the animal for something useful. To do less would have been disrespectful. I admire their perspective...
Maybe this is a copout, but I try to get what I can from everything I read. I take the things that I feel apply to me and I discard what doesn't feel right. I don't think there's anything wrong with material posessions, but then again I would never sacrifice my principles in order to have them. If given the choice to screw people over and become a millionaire or be true to myself and live an average lifestyle, I'll take the average lifestyle. It's just the way I am... (and the example I follow from my father).
My father is one of the people I admire most in my life. He was a doctor for all the right reasons. He wanted to help people. He was an absolutely brilliant surgeon, but he only operated when there was no other option. He had a great bedside manner and told half his patients to "get outta here" and not pay him. He was true to himself for his entire career and never gave in to the trappings his colleagues strived for. While they all drove Mercedes Benz, etc... and were in debt up to their eyeballs, my father drove a Plymouth Duster and spent time with his family. He could have made lots more money, but to him spending time with his wife and kids was more important than anything else. He was never really accepted by his colleagues, and when he died only one doctor came to pay his respects; his doctor... I was most proud to see however, that the funeral home was packed to the rafters with patients. Word spread fast about his passing, and I heard story after story about what a wonderful man my father was, and what wonderful care he took of this person and that person...
I try to model my life after him.
Wow, this was a pretty long winded post for me, and I don't normally talk about these kinds of things so openly. Most people would think (or now officially know) that I am an oddball. I try to balance the bits I feel to be true with the bits that don't make sense by living my life according to my own code of beliefs, and by following what feels right to me in my heart. I don't live according to one specific philosophy, I just live according to the gospel of Voo.
>that the funeral home was packed to the rafters with patients
BEAUTIFUL STORY!
I would love to chat more with you in person - we've probably been reading a lot of the same things ;-)
I started yoga when I got sick, and the more I studied the more things seemed to make sense. The things that had confused or annoyed me all my life made more sense ... like religion, i have always rejected all forms of religion because they sound so rediculous. I never could understand basing your entire life on a 2000 year old book, while missing the point behind it.
But the more I read and learn, the more I realize that all religions have their '12 commandments' ... which in summary all basically say 'dont do bad things to other living things'. All western religions believe in some kind of enlightenment in death, but eastern beliefs revolve more around finding that enlightenment in your life rather than waiting till death.
You only need to have successfully meditated a few times, and all of a sudden the entire bible is clear ... 'eternal life' is just recognising (in life, while you are alive) that your energy will never 'die', it will return to the earth to make other life.
Have you read 'the power of now' by eckhart tolle? I strongly recommend it if you haven't read it already. It offers some really simple principals which my philosophical mind really enjoyed - lots of references to 'god', the maker of all things. But in this case, god is the maker of life - and life is energy - therefore God is the sun, oxygen etc ...
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Originally posted by VooMan@May 19 2004, 09:45 PM I don't live according to one specific philosophy, I just live according to the gospel of Voo.
And that is why organized religions are, IMHO, cults. There is no room for free thinking. You must believe what you're TOLD to believe or you're going to spend eternity somewhere terrible
I still remember going with my mother to her Baptist church and watching them all highlight their Bibles. Apparently SOME words of God are more important than others. :P Not to mention, some things, i.e. men not sleeping with men, should be taken literally, but Jesus turning water into wine? That was just done because water wasn't drinkable back then....drinking wine is wrong now. I'll never forget the look on her face when my ex-husband asked her why Jesus didn't just turn the bad water into good water.
Originally posted by Peaches@May 19 2004, 09:56 PM I'll never forget the look on her face when my ex-husband asked her why Jesus didn't just turn the bad water into good water.
That is an absolute classic
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Originally posted by cj@May 19 2004, 09:46 PM You only need to have successfully meditated a few times, and all of a sudden the entire bible is clear ... 'eternal life' is just recognising (in life, while you are alive) that your energy will never 'die', it will return to the earth to make other life.
That is absolutely true... I haven't meditated for a while, but when I was consistent I got to know exactly what you mean.
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Have you read 'the power of now' by eckhart tolle? I strongly recommend it if you haven't read it already. It offers some really simple principals which my philosophical mind really enjoyed - lots of references to 'god', the maker of all things. But in this case, god is the maker of life - and life is energy - therefore God is the sun, oxygen etc ...
I haven't, but now it's on my list. A good excuse for a trip to Barnes & Noble this weekend. Thanks for the tip.
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I'll never forget the look on her face when my ex-husband asked her why Jesus didn't just turn the bad water into good water.
Peaches, I was the kid at Sunday School who used to ask those kind of questions over and over and the teacher would pat me on the head and give me some stupid answer about how we don't have to understand god's way ... she eventually stopped asking me what my question was
>Many people think my son inherited all his "smart ass" from me - trust me, I'm an amateur compared to his dad
I think CT got a double dose then
Vooman, lmk what you think of the book - i'm making everyone around me read it because everyone interprets it differently and I love hearing how each mind differs.
Originally posted by cj@May 19 2004, 11:12 PM Peaches, I was the kid at Sunday School who used to ask those kind of questions over and over and the teacher would pat me on the head and give me some stupid answer about how we don't have to understand god's way ... she eventually stopped asking me what my question was
The lack of dinosaurs in the Bible must have been one of your questions. It was one of mine.
I've had that book on my list since you mentioned it last time, I've just been lazy getting to it as it wasn't at the bookstore when I first looked for it (just looked at my Amazon list - it was added 11/14/2003 ) My parents are BIG into "self help" books and I figured they'd have it, but they didn't I plan on getting it, reading it, then giving it to them as I've heard a lot of people say good things about it.
Originally posted by cj@May 19 2004, 09:46 PM But the more I read and learn, the more I realize that all religions have their '12 commandments' ... which in summary all basically say 'dont do bad things to other living things'.
So you skipped Islam? ;-)
For that matter, some religions have such rules as you say but they only apply to other believers. Moses has 10 Commandments but apparently "Thou shalt not kill" only applies to other Jews. I believe the more correct interpretation would be "though shalt not murder". Leviticus is filled with recommended punishments of death by stoning for such offenses as disobeying your parents or having same-sex relations.
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Originally posted by cj@May 19 2004, 09:46 PM You only need to have successfully meditated a few times, and all of a sudden the entire bible is clear ... 'eternal life' is just recognising (in life, while you are alive) that your energy will never 'die', it will return to the earth to make other life.
I've never successfully meditated but will such passages as the following become clear if I do?
"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them." - Leviticus 20:13
I don't even think there's a mention of an after-life in the Torah.
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>> will such passages as the following become clear if I do
Yes colin, it becomes clear that its horse shit
>>For that matter, some religions have such rules as you say but they only apply to other believers.
exactly ... the 'rules' are open to human interpretation, flexible as we need them to be to suit a specific situation. Kinda defeats the purpose of a rule!
wow~
Just when I thought i was surrounded by perverts, life surfaces!
You think you exist, but who is thinking? If you find who is thinking, you realize it's not the brain, but actually, the "self/I"...otherwise titled, the soul! Isn't it that easy???? No chemical energy just that simple...OHM!
Originally posted by AzureSexKitten@May 20 2004, 03:25 PM wow~
Just when I thought i was surrounded by perverts, life surfaces!
You think you exist, but who is thinking? If you find who is thinking, you realize it's not the brain, but actually, the "self/I"...otherwise titled, the soul! Isn't it that easy???? No chemical energy just that simple...OHM!
Perverts think with their sex organs....
How you doin'? hahaha
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Originally posted by AzureSexKitten@May 20 2004, 12:25 PM You think you exist, but who is thinking? If you find who is thinking, you realize it's not the brain, but actually, the "self/I"...otherwise titled, the soul! Isn't it that easy???? No chemical energy just that simple...OHM!
The human brain is complex... but sometimes its also defunctions, and make people belive they are other things than "I"... once "I" meet a man in a park, which was convinced he was a bird... he acted, and thought just like a bird - does that mean he has the soul of a bird (do birds have souls?) or can human souls go crazy?
The soul is no more real than God - both can only exist in your brain, and not without your brain. When you die, so does your God and your Soul, however you might have leaved an impression on others, which keep an image of your soul alive in their brains - until they die.
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Originally posted by Torone@May 22 2004, 04:05 PM
Transient Ischemic Attacks...prestroke condition. BP normal one minute, 250/180 the next. Not very much fun.
I guess it's all that clean living. Probably oughta take up drinking, etc.
Damn :-(
You been in the hospital much? Those go away? Wishing the best for you.
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I try to balance the bits I feel to be true with the bits that don't make sense by living my life according to my own code of beliefs, and by following what feels right to me in my heart. I don't live according to one specific philosophy, I just live according to the gospel of Voo. 
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