Never been to a Psychic but heard from someone who has that there are old souls and new souls. Old souls have occupied many bodies throughout the years and new souls are just the opposite. Weird huh! What do you think?

:zoinks:

I was Serge!

Ever notice that they never tell you about the past life when you were Bubba the broke assed sharecropper, Mafu-fu the wide hipped slave that got to see all her children sold, Thinks-Like-Rock the hapless Indian run over by buffalo while looking wrong direction, or Ahmed the street urchin that starved when daddy was drafted to build the pyramids?

I was slave in Egypt building Pyramids 'till the bearded guy came called Moishe and took us all into desert
;-)))

I must say you make a good point there XXXPhoto. That is kinda funny.

I've always looked at life along those lines though. I kind of think of it like school. You either learn or you get left back...

There are some times when I question the existence of *God* and having a soul, but then I think about the vastness of the universe and think "how could there not be something more beyond what we know?"

So I guess I'm confused...

I was Abraham Lincoln, Attilla the Hun, Hirohito, The Pope, A Wino, A Crack Head, The fourth president, The tenth Vice President, Rony Le_y, The Godfather, Harriett Tubman, Martha Washington, A caveman, A washer woman, Henry Ford, Thomas Edison, Ulysses Grant and Phil Sheridan......

And that was all before lunch today.................. :yowsa:


When I die, I'm coming back as a rock !!! :okthumb:

Regrettably (and predictably) I've seen no evidence that humans or any other creature inhabiting this planet have a "soul"

Aretha's got soul............... :yowsa:

there is an only way to find if any particular human being has a soul...
ask for a loan
;-))))

Aretha's got soul............... :yowsa:[/b][/quote]
Very good point

Add Otis Redding and James Brown

:okthumb:

I got da filet of sole...
da sole of my shoe...
da cirque de sole...

all gods chillun got sole.........

there is an only way to find if any particular human being has a soul...
ask for a loan
;-))))[/b][/quote]
Guess mortgage companies and car companies don't count as humans :lol:


Edit - now when I think about it mortgage companies and car companies ask if they can lend me $



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before I got married, I was a sole man................. :yowsa:

We are all recycled humans - the atoms and molecules in your body will go thru nature and be reused... some of what you are made off may have been part of a cow, a little spider, a tree, a roman gladiator, a french politician etc. - and when you die, and your body either rot or burn, then some of your atoms might end up in some other humans - ex. in socialists, republicans etc.

Actual most of your body recycles every 7-10 years, so who knows where "you" will be in 10 years time, and where your new body have been before... :unsure:

Now thinking we got a soul, which stays with us no matter what changes is done to our bodies, and which we take with us when we die is kinda of a interesting theory, but just like humans killed God, because we had no use for him, then I think there is a slime chance that we once in the future will be reading "Soul is dead" by a person who consists of parts of Nietzche´s atoms... :rolleyes:

So go watch 21 Grams... It must be true, Hollywood says so!

I look at it this way

We know that the human body is full of energy, both chemical and electrical.
The first law of thermodynamics is that energy can neither be created or destroyed.
So when the human body dies, the energy has lost it's housing. It has to go somewhere else. That's plain scientific fact.

Also,
There have been countless testimonials by people who have had someone die in their arms stating that they felt something leave the body. That they could no longer feel the essence of what was that person. Call it an energy force, life force or soul, something leaves us when we die.

I've had 3 extrordinary incidents happen to me (all while hallucinagenic-drug free, I might add) that lead me to believe in old souls. I won't go into it, but it was enough evidence to prove the case to me.

So go watch 21 Grams... It must be true, Hollywood says so![/b][/quote]
Hmmm heard of it but never have watched it

guess it will go on the list

Hmmm not exactly

http://www.cchem.berkeley.edu/~chem130a/sa...e/firstlaw.html


I'd love to see verifiable proof
Sorry I lost my faith (if I had any) a long time ago
Even thing is unreliable second and third hand stories

That doesn't stop the Newbies from building sites, pissing contests in the sand or stock market swings... Unreliable second and third (and 4th, 5th...) hand stories make the world go round... Trace any proof back to origin, it's based on assumption.

I find it interesting that in one year, every single cell in your body has changed. Every single cell... not one bit of you is the same as it was a year ago... But yet we keep our memories, personalities, even the scars from old wounds.

Atoms that are billiions of years old make up our new cells... And at the same time, we get older and are not quite what we used to be...

Cue the Theme from the Lion King


In the circle of life

Some of us fall by the wayside
And some of us soar to the stars
And some of us sail through our troubles
And some have to live with the scars




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Hmmm heard of it but never have watched it

guess it will go on the list[/b][/quote]
I enjoyed it. It's different :)

They do tell you these things - just not in the 'made for book & tv' versions!

I think everyone was a combination of other things - like Rolo said, energy just keeps being recycled. I've really enjoyed yoga for this reason - it teaches you awareness of prana (life force/breath/energy) and how it moves within ourselves and between each other.

Everything happens because of prana :okthumb:

"we have all been here before, we have all been here before"

This whole thread sounds like a great introduction to a discussion on unified field theory....

(that's your cue Colin.... :okthumb: )

prananoia big destroyer........................... :yowsa:

Just cause I'm prananoid doesn't men that they weren't all out to get me.... :unsure:

Yep... prana. I am also in search of my dharma, but it still eludes me. :(















(and no... I don't mean Dharma & Greg)

With another time around the wheel I would probably know just how to deal ...

...with all of you

Second time in a week I've referred to Deja Vue :rolleyes:


"Everything happens because of prana"
Damn I was hoping that everything happened because of Prawn
all in all... I'd rather have the big shrimp

Regarding electrical and chemical energy and the first law of thermodynamics. I don’t think you’re going to find support for souls in physics. That would be extremely interesting and most physicists would give their entire career to prove such a thing.

Electrical energy is measured because there are electrons around. Chemical energy is measured when bonds between atoms are broken. In the body, the creation and splitting of the chemical ATP creates energy that your muscles then use for you to get around. There are also all sorts of other chemical reactions happening in your body. You have electrical currents in your nervous system from electrons moving around. You can measure this activity. An EKG, for example, measures the electrical activity of the heart.

When you die, your body stops producing ATP and the nervous system stops working because the machine is broken. Machines need energy. Your body needs oxygen to make ATP, for example. You stop taking in energy because you are no longer breathing and eating. Some of the immediate energy in the body gets radiated as another form of energy – heat.

There was an experiment performed just about 100 years ago that lead to this “21 grams” business. It is discredited now as being very poorly performed. If anyone ever shows that the body loses mass or energy and it can’t be measured as heat loss or some of other form of energy they will win a nobel prize for proving that the conservation of energy is not true.

I learned a new vocab word today. :-)

:bdance:

I believe in "Old Souls",
a child that seems wise beyond their years or copes with adversity
better than an adult is perhaps one example.

:)

I think I was Jeff spicolie, or maybe Timothy leary...

:bdance:[/b][/quote]
Proof Please

You can disagree until you're blue in the face but I've never seen, felt, smelt or fucked proof of souls or god

and I've looked

Proof Please

You can disagree until you're blue in the face but I've never seen, felt, smelt or fucked proof of souls or god

and I've looked[/b][/quote]
so would you classify, the bible, and all of it's acounts, as fiction?

or just a lack of understanding in technology, as a method of the unexplained?


what are emotions based on, if not something to do with an inner soul? is it all chemistry, this miracle known as the human body?

so would you classify, the bible, and all of it's acounts, as fiction?

or just a lack of understanding in technology, as a method of the unexplained?


what are emotions based on, if not something to do with an inner soul? is it all chemistry, this miracle known as the human body?[/b][/quote]
Superstition

Just like mythology

Superstition

Just like mythology[/b][/quote]
how can one explain the architectual evidence then of these myths?

Overall concept of God is Superstition

Not the actual things that may have happened - and it's been recorded by men so any facts most likely have been distorted

Sorry don't have time for the details now but will get back to it

Remember it is amusing in a ironic when you speak of god and oppose a right wing religious president he he he

and I know the differences just wanted to point it out

p.s. FUCK YOUR GODS AND FUCK YOUR POLITICIANS

Luv,
Vick

I am only speaking in Theory when I speak of GOD, as I unfortunatly, have not met him yet either.

However, I do know what the president is all about, and like you said " that scares the hell out of me", for all american generations to follow, if he is left to destroy this great nation further!)

I agree though however, that with less than half of the eligible population voting, that our system is not much better than a monarchy, or dictatorship. so fuck the politicians, is my view too.

I long for the day when the two sides will admit their true agendas, and seek to garner support for advancing that agenda, rather than looking to appease all (that will never happen) so majority should rule, and the minority should be afforded every chance to opposse said majority with any legal means necassary (violence of course is not an acceptable method,)

Good point HoneyBlonde. Sometimes it seems like some people are so lost in life and unexperienced when others come into life knowing what they want to do and what they have to do. I love topics like this where there is no proof and its entirely based on your beliefs.


:rolleyes:

I believe in souls, but I don't believe they're recycled. :)

Many myths are based upon factual places and events. Intentionally so.

Troy may have been a real city but do you believe there were gods like Poseidon and Zeus who were being mischievous messing around with the puny humans?

I am selling my soul if anyone wants it - I have a very naughty sole capable of doing very mischievous things. If this type of soul interests you please email me and we can discuss a price.

Many myths are based upon factual places and events. Intentionally so.

Troy may have been a real city but do you believe there were gods like Poseidon and Zeus who were being mischievous messing around with the puny humans?[/b][/quote]
good point, and NO I do not personally believe that account, However I am very reluctant to discount any possibility until it is proven with facts to be false, just as weell as I am reluctant to believe those same accounts, until they are proven with verifyable facts.

I would place those in the unexplained category, and would look to understand them farther before stating anyting other than my opinions , based on what I can deduce from the information that is provided.

sometimes, other peoples opinonions, and inuendo are all we have to conclude the events of history. Now of course with pictures, recording devices and advances in technology. We are able to start to go back and prove or disprove some of these accounts.

But I sure would not want to be wrong and have something like soddom and ghamora take place again because I refused to at least try to examine the evidence with an open mind.

Why not? Why is it any different than the Koran or Old Testament?

Why not? Why is it any different than the Koran or Old Testament?[/b][/quote]
To much magic involved, but hey maybe they had better pot than me!
or the mushrooms back in the day, were very potent!

To much magic involved, but hey maybe they had better pot than me!
or the mushrooms back in the day, were very potent![/b][/quote]
How about walking on water, muliplying loaves of bread, raising people from the dead, parting the Red Sea, and living inside the belly of a big fish for three days?

Why not just accept that we are made of physical things, and those things mixed into the cocktail we call the human body gives us awareness... do we confuse awareness with souls? if, so are we not aware that all living organism need a level or multiple levels of awareness too function - ex. plants, germs, animals etc. would all have souls too...

Or are souls only for humans, and then why do humans need souls? is it because we need to feel special in the big infinite univers? Out off all the possible answers in the physical univers we have choosen something which is divine - but we do not belive in god(s)? And if souls are not divine, but physical, then where are they?

Good point HoneyBlonde. Sometimes it seems like some people are so lost in life and unexperienced when others come into life knowing what they want to do and what they have to do. I love topics like this where there is no proof and its entirely based on your beliefs.


:rolleyes:[/b][/quote]
I'm starting to "believe" eugenics needs to be re-evaluated from an environmental perspective.

I went to a renaissance fair once. A sign outside one of the tents had a hand and $5 by it...I told the lady 5 bucks was a great deal for a handjob...shame she didn't make it clear she was a palm reader.

We?

Proof Please

You can disagree until you're blue in the face but I've never seen, felt, smelt or fucked proof of souls or god

and I've looked[/b][/quote]
close your eyes and breath deeply into your belly for a few breaths ... feel that tingling feeling of energy running through your veins?

IMO that's your soul ... misinterpreted over time into religious meanings, the soul in its pure form is the flow of prana through the body - that which gives life.