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Mlin · 01-07-2004

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Date Signups Amount Rebills Amount Referrals Amount Refunds Amount Chargebacks Amount Revokes Amount
8/7/2003 7 $16.59 4 $95.88 0 $0.00 2 $47.94 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
8/8/2003 6 $14.22 2 $47.94 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
8/9/2003 4 $9.48 4 $95.88 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
8/10/2003 10 $23.70 6 $143.82 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
8/11/2003 3 $7.11 2 $47.94 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
8/12/2003 9 $21.33 4 $95.88 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
8/13/2003 5 $11.85 7 $167.79 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
8/14/2003 4 $9.48 3 $71.91 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
8/15/2003 6 $17.82 7 $167.79 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
8/16/2003 5 $11.85 2 $47.94 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
8/17/2003 3 $7.11 6 $143.82 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
8/18/2003 9 $21.33 2 $47.94 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
8/19/2003 6 $14.22 2 $47.94 0 $0.00 1 $23.97 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
8/20/2003 6 $14.22 4 $95.88 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
8/21/2003 6 $14.22 2 $47.94 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
8/22/2003 7 $16.59 3 $71.91 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
8/23/2003 7 $16.59 3 $71.91 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
8/24/2003 13 $30.81 4 $95.88 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
8/25/2003 5 $11.85 2 $47.94 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
8/26/2003 11 $26.07 2 $47.94 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
8/27/2003 2 $4.74 7 $167.79 0 $0.00 1 $5.97 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
8/28/2003 16 $37.92 4 $95.88 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
8/29/2003 7 $16.59 5 $119.85 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
8/30/2003 12 $28.44 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
8/31/2003 3 $7.11 7 $167.79 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
9/1/2003 6 $14.22 3 $71.91 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
9/2/2003 12 $28.44 8 $191.76 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
9/3/2003 9 $21.33 4 $95.88 0 $0.00 1 $2.37 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
9/4/2003 8 $18.96 2 $47.94 0 $0.00 2 $26.34 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
9/5/2003 13 $30.81 7 $167.79 0 $0.00 1 $23.97 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
9/6/2003 10 $23.70 6 $143.82 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
9/7/2003 9 $21.33 6 $143.82 0 $0.00 1 $23.97 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
9/8/2003 9 $21.33 11 $263.67 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
9/9/2003 7 $16.59 7 $167.79 0 $0.00 2 $26.34 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
9/10/2003 10 $23.70 4 $95.88 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
9/11/2003 8 $18.96 3 $71.91 0 $0.00 1 $23.97 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
9/12/2003 14 $36.78 4 $95.88 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
9/13/2003 12 $28.44 4 $95.88 0 $0.00 1 $23.97 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
9/14/2003 13 $30.81 6 $143.82 0 $0.00 1 $23.97 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
9/15/2003 9 $21.33 6 $143.82 0 $0.00 1 $2.37 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
9/16/2003 7 $16.59 5 $119.85 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
9/17/2003 1 $2.37 1 $23.97 0 $0.00 2 $26.34 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
9/18/2003 6 $14.22 5 $119.85 0 $0.00 1 $23.97 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
9/19/2003 10 $23.70 8 $191.76 0 $0.00 1 $2.37 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
9/20/2003 8 $18.96 5 $119.85 0 $0.00 1 $23.97 1 $23.97 0 $0.00
9/21/2003 3 $7.11 5 $119.85 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
9/22/2003 10 $23.70 9 $215.73 0 $0.00 1 $2.37 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
9/23/2003 3 $7.11 5 $119.85 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
9/24/2003 11 $26.07 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 3 $7.11 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
9/25/2003 4 $9.48 4 $95.88 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
9/26/2003 6 $14.22 1 $23.97 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
9/27/2003 7 $16.59 6 $143.82 0 $0.00 1 $23.97 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
9/28/2003 12 $28.44 3 $71.91 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
9/29/2003 10 $23.70 5 $119.85 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
9/30/2003 11 $26.07 8 $191.76 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
10/1/2003 5 $11.85 5 $119.85 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
10/2/2003 4 $9.48 4 $95.88 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 1 $23.97 0 $0.00

Stats when the the site switched to $9.95 per sign up and the stats being tracked by the sponsor. Account converted to per-sign up.

Date Raw Uniques Qualified Signups Ratio Payout
01-01-2004 3,054 2,758 703 4 1:175 $100.00
01-02-2004 3,509 3,149 835 2 1:417 $50.00
01-03-2004 3,230 2,871 768 1 1:768 $25.00
01-04-2004 3,297 2,944 773 1 1:773 $25.00
01-05-2004 3,681 3,317 827 0 N/A $0.00
01-06-2004 3,443 3,080 785 0 N/A $0.00
01-07-2004 2,364 2,077 557 0 N/A $0.00

cj · 01-07-2004

forgive me for being lazy but can you please summarize this into a couple of sentences that state what you are trying to show us with these numbers?

thanks!

Mlin · 01-07-2004

Quote:

Originally posted by cj@Jan 7 2004, 07:59 PM
forgive me for being lazy but can you please summarize this into a couple of sentences that state what you are trying to show us with these numbers?

thanks!

This is traffic that were sent toward amateurpages.com - site of adult.com

Before about 10/02/2003 amateurpages.com were charging $29.95 per month for subscription and they were operating $71% revshare program where the number of sales were being tracked by a third party - ibill.com

The traffic were being sent from one traffic domain name. The same domain - the same traffic valume - the same traffic quality.

When stats were being tracked by ibill.com - the third party and site's subscription was $29.95 per month the traffic converted toan average of 6 sales per day (not sure of the exact ration, see screenshots).

Then when Visa 1% came up, they changed the price of the subscription from $29.95 to $9.95, so they get lover chargeback ratio. They changed the program policy from 71% revshare to $25 per sign up. And they started to track sales themselves.

Since the subscription price dropped, the same traffic had to generate more sign ups and it probably did. However as per adult.com statistics it generates an average of 1 sign up per day.

Once they started tracking the statistics, the sales dropped 6x times(?) altho the price for subscription was heavily rediced.

Obvious shaving.

Screenshots

cj · 01-07-2004

gotcha ;-)

I figured that was what you were trying to show but its 102 degrees here today and my brain is working about as well as my air conditioning!!!!!!!

naughty naughty lensman!!!!

Monk · 01-08-2004

That is why comparing PPS to revshare is like comparing apples to oranges.

I see alot of people doing the math on whether 100 signups would get them more in a PPS or a revshare program... they do all the calculations on # of rebills etc....

BUT they DON'T factor in that 100 signups in revshare only shows up as 50-75 signups in PPS

TheEnforcer · 01-08-2004

Quote:

Originally posted by Monk@Jan 8 2004, 07:31 AM
That is why comparing PPS to revshare is like comparing apples to oranges.

I see alot of people doing the math on whether 100 signups would get them more in a PPS or a revshare program... they do all the calculations on # of rebills etc....

BUT they DON'T factor in that 100 signups in revshare only shows up as 50-75 signups in PPS

Hmmmm.. interesting. How does one magically lose 25-50% of their signups when converting to PPS?

BTW- this doesn't mean Lensman is shaving as their is the "perceived value" factor with a program. I believe that it likely could increase REBILLS with the program but not necessarily the signups and may even hurt a program with the initial signup but be made up with the rebills.

Monk · 01-08-2004

Quote:

Originally posted by TheEnforcer@Jan 8 2004, 09:49 AM
Hmmmm.. interesting. How does one magically lose 25-50% of their signups when converting to PPS?

I'll give you 2 guesses and the 1st one doesn't count.

Mlin · 01-10-2004

Lensman closed the threads, blocked my account quetly (I'm not banned but can't post) and turned manual approval of new board members on.

Tries to hide his collapsing scam network

Mlin · 01-10-2004

Here is the deal:

Edit :: Page doesn't support html.

Reffer to this post http://www.domainnameforum.com/showthread....?s=&postid=4828

Last edited by Mlin at Jan 10 2004, 04:35 PM

Winetalk.com · 01-10-2004

Quote:

Originally posted by Mlin@Jan 10 2004, 06:33 PM
Lensman closed the threads, blocked my account quetly (I'm not banned but can't post) and turned manual approval of new board members on.

Tries to hide his collapsing scam network

the day I posted on GFY I have a proof of him cheating posted on Oprano-
we had a record day of visitors from GFY
;-)))

93sc · 01-10-2004

Quote:

Originally posted by Mlin@Jan 10 2004, 05:33 PM
Lensman closed the threads, blocked my account quetly (I'm not banned but can't post) and turned manual approval of new board members on.

Tries to hide his collapsing scam network

That would explain why I can't post there yet. I was wondering what was going on.

Naughty · 01-10-2004

That little Hitler smilie is killing me

Where's the Saddam one? Or Bush? [hiding]

Last edited by Naughty at Jan 10 2004, 04:01 PM

Ani D · 01-10-2004

They turned off my ability to post after i supported you. I went 3 days, then I downlaoded Opera to get around their cookie that I couldn't get rid of. Anyway, I'm banned now outright.

They are LOW down dirty rotten shames. FUCKERS , all I said was that I liked miln2.

Ani D · 01-10-2004

Read My Locked Thread Here

slavdogg · 01-10-2004

dont know anything about this case

but its a very common practice when programs move from 3rd party tracking like ccbill or ibill or whatever to their own custom programs sign ups drop always right from the start.

Ani D · 01-10-2004

Hey mlin2, post the screenshots of the thread that was just deleted on GFY. I'd love to see it.

DonovanPhillips · 01-10-2004

Your change in sign ups could be as a result of perceived value. Most surfers feel like a site that is inexpensive doesn't have much to offer. I raised my prices from $19.95 to $24.95 and conversion ratios went up. I changed it to $29.95 and ratios went up again. Changed it to $34.95 and they started to drop a little, so I lowered them back to $29.95.

When Adult.com announced $10 sites I thought to myself "the won't convert as well as $29.95 sites". You may be experiencing the "you get what you pay for" phenomenon.

slavdogg · 01-10-2004

Quote:

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips@Jan 10 2004, 10:23 PM
Most surfers feel like a site that is inexpensive doesn't have much to offer. I raised my prices from $19.95 to $24.95 and conversion ratios went up. I changed it to $29.95 and ratios went up again. Changed it to $34.95 and they started to drop a little, so I lowered them back to $29.95.

If thats the case wouldnt 5.95$ trials convert better than 2.95$ trials and even better than $1 trial ??

Nickatilynx · 01-10-2004

Quote:

Originally posted by slavdogg@Jan 10 2004, 05:57 PM
dont know anything about this case

but its a very common practice when programs move from 3rd party tracking like ccbill or ibill or whatever to their own custom programs sign ups drop always right from the start.

ahahahahahahahahhhahahahaha

(running....)

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01-07-2004	#1
Mlin Members I'm new! Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 4	Thieves.com 75% Shave Off Platinum Date Signups Amount Rebills Amount Referrals Amount Refunds Amount Chargebacks Amount Revokes Amount 8/7/2003 7 $16.59 4 $95.88 0 $0.00 2 $47.94 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 8/8/2003 6 $14.22 2 $47.94 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 8/9/2003 4 $9.48 4 $95.88 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 8/10/2003 10 $23.70 6 $143.82 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 8/11/2003 3 $7.11 2 $47.94 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 8/12/2003 9 $21.33 4 $95.88 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 8/13/2003 5 $11.85 7 $167.79 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 8/14/2003 4 $9.48 3 $71.91 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 8/15/2003 6 $17.82 7 $167.79 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 8/16/2003 5 $11.85 2 $47.94 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 8/17/2003 3 $7.11 6 $143.82 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 8/18/2003 9 $21.33 2 $47.94 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 8/19/2003 6 $14.22 2 $47.94 0 $0.00 1 $23.97 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 8/20/2003 6 $14.22 4 $95.88 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 8/21/2003 6 $14.22 2 $47.94 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 8/22/2003 7 $16.59 3 $71.91 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 8/23/2003 7 $16.59 3 $71.91 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 8/24/2003 13 $30.81 4 $95.88 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 8/25/2003 5 $11.85 2 $47.94 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 8/26/2003 11 $26.07 2 $47.94 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 8/27/2003 2 $4.74 7 $167.79 0 $0.00 1 $5.97 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 8/28/2003 16 $37.92 4 $95.88 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 8/29/2003 7 $16.59 5 $119.85 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 8/30/2003 12 $28.44 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 8/31/2003 3 $7.11 7 $167.79 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 9/1/2003 6 $14.22 3 $71.91 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 9/2/2003 12 $28.44 8 $191.76 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 9/3/2003 9 $21.33 4 $95.88 0 $0.00 1 $2.37 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 9/4/2003 8 $18.96 2 $47.94 0 $0.00 2 $26.34 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 9/5/2003 13 $30.81 7 $167.79 0 $0.00 1 $23.97 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 9/6/2003 10 $23.70 6 $143.82 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 9/7/2003 9 $21.33 6 $143.82 0 $0.00 1 $23.97 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 9/8/2003 9 $21.33 11 $263.67 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 9/9/2003 7 $16.59 7 $167.79 0 $0.00 2 $26.34 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 9/10/2003 10 $23.70 4 $95.88 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 9/11/2003 8 $18.96 3 $71.91 0 $0.00 1 $23.97 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 9/12/2003 14 $36.78 4 $95.88 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 9/13/2003 12 $28.44 4 $95.88 0 $0.00 1 $23.97 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 9/14/2003 13 $30.81 6 $143.82 0 $0.00 1 $23.97 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 9/15/2003 9 $21.33 6 $143.82 0 $0.00 1 $2.37 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 9/16/2003 7 $16.59 5 $119.85 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 9/17/2003 1 $2.37 1 $23.97 0 $0.00 2 $26.34 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 9/18/2003 6 $14.22 5 $119.85 0 $0.00 1 $23.97 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 9/19/2003 10 $23.70 8 $191.76 0 $0.00 1 $2.37 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 9/20/2003 8 $18.96 5 $119.85 0 $0.00 1 $23.97 1 $23.97 0 $0.00 9/21/2003 3 $7.11 5 $119.85 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 9/22/2003 10 $23.70 9 $215.73 0 $0.00 1 $2.37 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 9/23/2003 3 $7.11 5 $119.85 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 9/24/2003 11 $26.07 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 3 $7.11 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 9/25/2003 4 $9.48 4 $95.88 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 9/26/2003 6 $14.22 1 $23.97 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 9/27/2003 7 $16.59 6 $143.82 0 $0.00 1 $23.97 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 9/28/2003 12 $28.44 3 $71.91 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 9/29/2003 10 $23.70 5 $119.85 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 9/30/2003 11 $26.07 8 $191.76 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 10/1/2003 5 $11.85 5 $119.85 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 10/2/2003 4 $9.48 4 $95.88 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 1 $23.97 0 $0.00 Stats when the the site switched to $9.95 per sign up and the stats being tracked by the sponsor. Account converted to per-sign up. Date Raw Uniques Qualified Signups Ratio Payout 01-01-2004 3,054 2,758 703 4 1:175 $100.00 01-02-2004 3,509 3,149 835 2 1:417 $50.00 01-03-2004 3,230 2,871 768 1 1:768 $25.00 01-04-2004 3,297 2,944 773 1 1:773 $25.00 01-05-2004 3,681 3,317 827 0 N/A $0.00 01-06-2004 3,443 3,080 785 0 N/A $0.00 01-07-2004 2,364 2,077 557 0 N/A $0.00 __________________ Thieves.com

01-10-2004	#8
Mlin Members I'm new! Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 4	Lensman closed the threads, blocked my account quetly (I'm not banned but can't post) and turned manual approval of new board members on. Tries to hide his collapsing scam network __________________ Thieves.com

01-10-2004	#9
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01-10-2004	#12
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01-10-2004	#17
DonovanPhillips Members Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Chico, CA USA Posts: 60	Your change in sign ups could be as a result of perceived value. Most surfers feel like a site that is inexpensive doesn't have much to offer. I raised my prices from $19.95 to $24.95 and conversion ratios went up. I changed it to $29.95 and ratios went up again. Changed it to $34.95 and they started to drop a little, so I lowered them back to $29.95. When Adult.com announced $10 sites I thought to myself "the won't convert as well as $29.95 sites". You may be experiencing the "you get what you pay for" phenomenon. __________________ TAKE DONNY'S MONEY! ICQ: 92432224 // AIM: photography4me // My Blog

01-07-2004	#2
cj Members Want to see your own Advertising Here! Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Down Under Posts: 5,202	forgive me for being lazy but can you please summarize this into a couple of sentences that state what you are trying to show us with these numbers? thanks!

01-08-2004	#5
Monk Members Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 497	That is why comparing PPS to revshare is like comparing apples to oranges. I see alot of people doing the math on whether 100 signups would get them more in a PPS or a revshare program... they do all the calculations on # of rebills etc.... BUT they DON'T factor in that 100 signups in revshare only shows up as 50-75 signups in PPS

01-10-2004	#13
Ani D Members Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 105	They turned off my ability to post after i supported you. I went 3 days, then I downlaoded Opera to get around their cookie that I couldn't get rid of. Anyway, I'm banned now outright. They are LOW down dirty rotten shames. FUCKERS , all I said was that I liked miln2.